Gemmill 44242 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 He didn't get the time in the job because we were losing games. Not because we were playing boring football. Nice dig about Souness though. Sounds like that lad at work was a twat, but on a sample size of ONE, you'll have to forgive me for not taking your statistics that seriously. It wasnt a dig, honest . Regardless of results you could argue that Daglish wasnt given sufficient time to do his rebuilding job. Its a fact he didnt get as much as Souness, why not? We didnt win less games under Daglish. His popularity? Why was he unpopular? I know its from wikipedia... "However, Dalglish's cautious brand of football proved unpopular with supporters used to Newcastle's previous swashbuckling style; more importantly this careful style was not producing results. Several unsuccessful transfer deals along with a poor start to the 1998-1999 season led to Dalglish being sacked" You've got to admit that the brand of football we played under Daglish was a factor. Come on dont be pigheaded That lads pretty sound actually, loves his football but he has the attitude that he watches football to be entertained not just to see his team pick up points, I dont think he's alone in that. Haway, you can't defeat me with Wikipedia. The brand of football COUPLED WITH THE FACT WE WERE LOSING GAMES is what turned people off to Dalglish. If we'd been winning, nobody would have cared. By the way, I felt at the time that we got rid of Dalglish too soon. Having said that, I don't think he would have gone on to be a success, but he certainly wasn't given the time to prove that right or wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fop 1 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Hes right tbh He's completely wrong actually. He's talking bollocks if its in reference to Souness but theres some truth in it when it comes to Daglish. The main reason people tired of Dalglish is not because we weren't playing exciting football, it's because we weren't winning games. The big problem with Dalglish wasn't that he was too defensive or any such thing, the big problem was he took apart a good side and rebuilt a deformed mutant hybrid of a team that never really worked (and many of the players he bought had real quality but always seemed to be square pegs in round holes, something of a perranial problem for Newcastle - you could put together quite a nice team with players that we're shite here but played well before and after). If he's just strenghted the weak parts whilst retaining what was working things might have been different (and he'd have won more). Souness then did something similar to Bobby Robson's team, he didn't strenghten the weaknesses, he pretty much broke it and then largely replaced what he'd broken with the subpar. If you've got a team that's totally rubbish there's a very good argument from building from the back, but if you've got a team that's great going forward but iffy in the other direction you don't try to fix that which isn't broken, you just sort out the bits that are. Although in fairness in almost every season I can remember for the last 10 years there's always been a massive injury list to cope with as well.... are there stats anywhere for players injured in the EPL? I'm sure we'd be way "ahead" in that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 That's very poor journalism, and I like Hansen. Totally disagree about his comments on the team of '96. Would the team currently sitting 3 points clear at the top of the league not have the most in common with that team of any team currently in the league? I agree Shepherd has to go, his bizarre business decision that a bird in the hand is worth 45 in the bush, should finally confirm to any doubters that he's not even to be trusted ordering the stationary; BUT I fully blame Roeder for this mess, if he'd not fucked about and had bought the target man and central defender that were so obviously desperately needed we wouldn't be in this mess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44242 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Roeder has to take his share of responsibility because of the transfer window, but also because of some of the decisions he's making every week. Substitutions - either not making them until it's too late, or taking off the players that are performing. Bizarre press comments - the Stephen Carr stuff was staggering. Shocking man management - blaming his predecessor for wasting money when specifically referring to a player that is still part of his current squad. Etc. etc. etc. Both of them need to go, but Shepherd is the priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Roeder has to take his share of responsibility because of the transfer window, but also because of some of the decisions he's making every week. Substitutions - either not making them until it's too late, or taking off the players that are performing. Bizarre press comments - the Stephen Carr stuff was staggering. Shocking man management - blaming his predecessor for wasting money when specifically referring to a player that is still part of his current squad. Etc. etc. etc. Both of them need to go, but Shepherd is the priority. Although I recognise that if Shepherd stays, Newcastle will ultimately end up here again, I think that it's the man in the manager's chair that's going to keep us up this season. A takeover now may only add to the confusion, Roeder out now, Shepherd at the end of the season? Then he's no longer under pressure to leave, and so the cycle continues... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9707 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 I don't agree that Shepherd is the priority. At the moment the presence in the Premierleague is at the stake and it is down to the managing staff to get things right. If we are about to get relegated talks about the board are futile anyway. I'd rather Shepherd making the first step in stepping aside in appointing a person that is running the day-to-day business. Because at the moment his absence (or non-absence) means that the club is unshepherded as most board room positions like Chief Executive are occupied by Mr. Vacant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 What do we need? 1) An astute chairman that treats the club with the respect it deserves has the ability to drum up large amounts of money and will allow a decent manager to manage the team and transfer activity. Also someone that doesn’t just pocket money for mis directing the club (unlike the current incumbent Chairman). 2) A manager that has tactical variety and the ability to mould the team in to a team that wants to play for each other. Rather than the bickering overhyped pricks that currently occupies our first team. 3) Someone to look at why our training ground is so much different to our pitch, and why it causes so many injuries. And to change it. 4) A team captain that leads from the back. Most club captains (that are successful (unlike us)) have a centre back that will lead. Shearer was a good captain for us and England however…. Someone with his strength of mind. 5) Invest in youth and don’t play players out of position, duff is not a centre forward… for example. Titus bramble isn’t a football player full stop…. 6) Get rid of the stupidly high earners. Dyer amongst others earns loads for doing nothing for example. 7) A target man, currently our forward line is (exluding Luque) about 5 foot 3 inches tall. A playmaker who can pass the ball (unlike emre) 2 full backs, and a dominant fast centreback (ledley king would do for me). Obviously a lot of this is if’s and buts, but we could go some way toward achieving this if there is just a little common sense applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Re Hansen, what a load of patronising bollocks. Fuck off you nomark or I'll give you a proper scar for that forehead of yours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1219 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Despite what he may be saying, Glenn Roeder is under real pressure as manager. Every manager in the bottom six is under pressure and Glenn is no different, especially when you consider that Newcastle have had six managers in 10 years. That is far too many and it says it all about the situation they are in. Stuff like this pisses me off too. One of these six in ten years was Keean who was actually here for what? Five years or more until he quit. They are always twisting these statistics. On SSN yesterday the stated that we have had 9 manager or caretakers managers in 10 years. What exactly is the point in including caretaker mangers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 When was the last time we even came close to seeing a 5-4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Trotting out the same tired old cliches as when he was sticking up for his mate Souness. Lazy journalism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Despite what he may be saying, Glenn Roeder is under real pressure as manager. Every manager in the bottom six is under pressure and Glenn is no different, especially when you consider that Newcastle have had six managers in 10 years. That is far too many and it says it all about the situation they are in. Stuff like this pisses me off too. One of these six in ten years was Keean who was actually here for what? Five years or more until he quit. They are always twisting these statistics. On SSN yesterday the stated that we have had 9 manager or caretakers managers in 10 years. What exactly is the point in including caretaker mangers? And Bobby was here for five years as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gram 0 Posted November 6, 2006 Share Posted November 6, 2006 Hes right tbh He's completely wrong actually. Not completely. We rarely have decent defenders. In 30 years I can just about manage to put a half way decent back four together and 2 of them were home grown (the fullbacks). Cant think of 8 defenders that I would tell people were top class though. The side in 1995-96 would finish outside the top 4 in my view too. It was good but it was flawed. Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd and Chelsea all have stronger sides than ours back then and we would be exposed on the flanks and in central defence - the league is a lot stronger now than it was then in the pre-Bosman era (which extended itself to include the availability of as many players from EU countries as teams wanted as an aside). The issue of whether we want entertaining is a different matter. That bit is bollocks. We have settled for complete tedium at SJP often enough to say that watching 11 mogadon men and winning summat wouldnt be a problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Anyone remember article this from him? Clicky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 172 Posted November 7, 2006 Author Share Posted November 7, 2006 Anyone remember article this from him? Clicky Exactly: So Graeme Souness may yet be the man to end Newcastle's long wait for a trophy - and I suspect we won't be hearing those complaining voices then. Hansen should stick to his hindsight wisdom on MOTD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted November 7, 2006 Share Posted November 7, 2006 Anyone remember article this from him? Clicky Souness critics must eat hairy pie? Sorry I couldn't help reprising that old chestnut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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