The Fish 10876 Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 I'm a little concerned as to how we're going to play when Owen returns. They're both deceptively good in the air (Martins leap's like a salmon and Owen just times his jumps to perfection) but the wingers we have might become frustrated that the majority of their crosses go to waste. Hopefully who-ever is our manager will be able to shake up the system to present balls into space, or at the very least along the deck from the wingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted December 11, 2006 Share Posted December 11, 2006 If they play good crosses in Martins and Owen should be able to use them. The problem with playing the two of them would come from our inability to play without humping long balls up the pitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21965 Posted December 14, 2006 Author Share Posted December 14, 2006 i watched martins closely last night, and while you can't question his effort, he still looks flat footed. he always seems to wait until the ball is played before making a run, inevitably resulting in the defender getting their first. it's a shame really because he's got the pace to get in behind far more often than he does if only he timed his runs better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Yeah he does seem more often than not to rely on his pace getting him there ahead of the defender rather than anticipating or looking for a pass. He is still young (maybe) and still adapting to a new way of football so I wouldn't rule out seeing an improvement. He didn't seem to get much service from what I saw last night like either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Tbf it's taken some great players longer than half a season to properly adjust to the Premier League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30679 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 it's a shame really because he's got the pace to get in behind far more often than he does if only he timed his runs better. When fit he could learn an awful lot from Owen about timing his run to get in behind the defence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Kelly 1245 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Tbf it's taken some great players longer than half a season to properly adjust to the Premier League. He's doing no worse than Shevchenko tbh who I believe has played more games and is certainly playing in a far better team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 scored more and created less. is more of a threat than shevchenko! i never thought i'd hear that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 i watched martins closely last night, and while you can't question his effort, he still looks flat footed. he always seems to wait until the ball is played before making a run, inevitably resulting in the defender getting their first. it's a shame really because he's got the pace to get in behind far more often than he does if only he timed his runs better. That's likely to be down to not having any sort of understanding between him and the team that was fielded last night, but these things take time and the more they play together the better that understanding will be. People expected Martins to hit the ground running and be an instant success, which in reality was never going to happen. BTW has anyone seen the Youtube video of his goals at Inter Milan? It's not quite as good as Luque's but it's still got some pretty impressive efforts on it. Martins Youtube video Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9803 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 I give it to you, that Martins needs time to develop an understanding with his team mates and has to adapt to the league. And I am much more positive about him as I was at the beginning. But I still think he should make a bit more of an effort to help his team mates to understand him as well. Over large periods of the game his movement is far too static. He just stands there and waits to be on the receiving end of a pass. He doesn't even make himself available, but is just too passive. He could do a lot more to help his own cause. He far too rarely uses his pace, something we could have done with yesterday a lot yesterday. But it never looked like we could hit them on the break by using him. He starts to show promise, but he is still far away from showing that he is the quality player some people make out he already is. And I don't even bother watching a collection of handpicked scenes on youtube. I rather watch the games he plays in a Newcastle shirt to judge him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 He starts to show promise, but he is still far away from showing that he is the quality player some people make out he already is. Well perhaps the people who rate him as a quality footballer have seen more of him at previous clubs compared to people who have only got his performances in a Newcastle shirt to judge him on. I wonder what Scouser's make of fans who rave about how good Bellamy is supposed to be when more often than not he's dire for them, do they ignore the performances for previous clubs or do they go with the "he hasn't done fuck all in a Liverpool shirt so he can't be a quality footballer?" Similar with Chelsea fans and Sheva, Arsenal fans and Baptista, West Ham fans and Tevez etc. All quality footballers yet none have shown the form that earned them their reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4ever 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Luque at Depor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9803 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 (edited) He starts to show promise, but he is still far away from showing that he is the quality player some people make out he already is. Well perhaps the people who rate him as a quality footballer have seen more of him at previous clubs compared to people who have only got his performances in a Newcastle shirt to judge him on. I wonder what Scouser's make of fans who rave about how good Bellamy is supposed to be when more often than not he's dire for them, do they ignore the performances for previous clubs or do they go with the "he hasn't done fuck all in a Liverpool shirt so he can't be a quality footballer?" Similar with Chelsea fans and Sheva, Arsenal fans and Baptista, West Ham fans and Tevez etc. All quality footballers yet none have shown the form that earned them their reputation. Hic Rhodos, hic salta! tbh. I can understand that people say, that he will come good, based on his previous records. What I don't get is people pretending that he already is showing this class. Edited December 14, 2006 by Isegrim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Luque at Depor... Well to start with Luque was never as good as some make out he was at Deportivo, he's also one of a small bunch of players who you know will never make it in the Premiership from the first few games you see them. Javier Mascherano is another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 He starts to show promise, but he is still far away from showing that he is the quality player some people make out he already is. Well perhaps the people who rate him as a quality footballer have seen more of him at previous clubs compared to people who have only got his performances in a Newcastle shirt to judge him on. I wonder what Scouser's make of fans who rave about how good Bellamy is supposed to be when more often than not he's dire for them, do they ignore the performances for previous clubs or do they go with the "he hasn't done fuck all in a Liverpool shirt so he can't be a quality footballer?" Similar with Chelsea fans and Sheva, Arsenal fans and Baptista, West Ham fans and Tevez etc. All quality footballers yet none have shown the form that earned them their reputation. Hic Rhodos, hic salta! tbh. I can understand that people say, that he will come good, based on his previous records. What I don't get is people pretending that he already ishowing this class. Who's saying that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9803 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Who's saying that? Don't pretend you weren't reading these kind of posts on N-O yourself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Who's saying that? Don't pretend you weren't reading these kind of posts on N-O yourself. Well everyone is entitled to their opinion I suppose, although I would have thought most people wouldn't get too drawn in by a few knee jerk opinions, similar to people over there who still try and defend Luque. Not really the sort of opinions you take much notice of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufc4ever 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Please don't tar everyone on N-O witht the same brush... Luque is shite, and there are some proper fucking numbskulls over there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Luque at Depor... Well to start with Luque was never as good as some make out he was at Deportivo, he's also one of a small bunch of players who you know will never make it in the Premiership from the first few games you see them. Javier Mascherano is another. Interesting that BOTH Real Madrid and Barca went on record to say they wanted to sign Luque, but Depo refused to sell to a Spanish team. Don't let that get in your way of a good Luque slagging though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 If I had the choice I'd rather have my 10 mill back on Martin's and roll the dice again in January. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skhwoody 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Look at Drogba, he was pretty average last season but now he has got to grips with the style of play in the premiership he is banging them in - unfortunatley. He is adjusting to the game here and this will reap rewards. You can't just buy someone and then move them on when they show what they are capable of, now luque is a different matter. He just does not want to play, and makes excuses all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asprilla 96 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 I think Martins will do well. He's starting to pick up goals and he looks like he gives a fuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 I can't remember offhand but how many goals did drogba score year? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walkinthedog 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 I can't remember offhand but how many goals did drogba score year? 21 or 28? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footsoldier 0 Posted December 14, 2006 Share Posted December 14, 2006 Pretty average then. What does that make ameobi? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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