Kevin Carr's Gloves 3789 Posted October 4, 2006 Author Share Posted October 4, 2006 Education is a load better than it was ten years ago. It sickens me that they haven chosen to take this path now. I would make every kid go there local school and ensure that every child in the country had exactly the same spent on them. The only thing that makes me more angry than faith schools is private education. Actually make that the same angry they are both equally and totally wrong What about home schooling? I am torn on home schooling. On one hand the child is getting some good personal time. But what about the quality of the lessons taught? What about the lessons on social interaction (I don't mean actual lessons I mean we learn this by interacting with our peers in lessons and during breaks)? Why have the parents chose home schooling? Do they have an agenda? Home schooling is a toughy. I may be inclined to home school my child if I thought it would benefit them. But I would be worried they would become solitary and unable to form lasting relationships outside the family unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Education is a load better than it was ten years ago. It sickens me that they haven chosen to take this path now. I would make every kid go there local school and ensure that every child in the country had exactly the same spent on them. The only thing that makes me more angry than faith schools is private education. Actually make that the same angry they are both equally and totally wrong Having worked hard to give my kids a better go in life why should I be forced to send them to the same trampy school as me? It won't improve state schools because no-one will pay for a state education. In fact it'll stretch an already failing system to breaking point because they can't cope with the numbers. So not only will my kids suffer, but also the tramps who are (at least currently) getting a basic education for nowt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3902 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Education is a load better than it was ten years ago. It sickens me that they haven chosen to take this path now. I would make every kid go there local school and ensure that every child in the country had exactly the same spent on them. The only thing that makes me more angry than faith schools is private education. Actually make that the same angry they are both equally and totally wrong What about home schooling? Home schooling is such a bad sad loser of an idea. Obviously I would ban it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I think the home schooling/social interaction is a myth to a certain extent. I agree that you're going to get some parents with an agenda, who use home schooling as part of a scheme to keep their kids locked up; but used in tandem with after-school sports and activities, interacting with the kids on their street, I don't think it's really an issue. I would consider it if I ever have kids, but in principle it must be as bad as private schools. I think it's a shame that we have to look for alternatives, but until we live in a world where things are actually ideal, why shouldn't we strive for the best for our families. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Home schooling is such a bad sad loser of an idea. Obviously I would ban it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3902 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Education is a load better than it was ten years ago. It sickens me that they haven chosen to take this path now. I would make every kid go there local school and ensure that every child in the country had exactly the same spent on them. The only thing that makes me more angry than faith schools is private education. Actually make that the same angry they are both equally and totally wrong Having worked hard to give my kids a better go in life why should I be forced to send them to the same trampy school as me? It won't improve state schools because no-one will pay for a state education. In fact it'll stretch an already failing system to breaking point because they can't cope with the numbers. So not only will my kids suffer, but also the tramps who are (at least currently) getting a basic education for nowt. Every kid sould have the same chance at school. Your kids already have an advantage at home with (I asume) caring loving hard working parents, providing assisatance and good role models. All the more reason for kids with bad parents to be given a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Every kid sould have the same chance at school. Your kids already have an advantage at home with (I asume) caring loving hard working parents, providing assisatance and good role models. All the more reason for kids with bad parents to be given a chance The harsh reality is, giving a kid a good rearing at home, gives him an unfair disadvantage in a normal school environment. Manners? Are you taking the piss? Not to mention the teachers, Jesus Wept! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Education is a load better than it was ten years ago. It sickens me that they haven chosen to take this path now. I would make every kid go there local school and ensure that every child in the country had exactly the same spent on them. The only thing that makes me more angry than faith schools is private education. Actually make that the same angry they are both equally and totally wrong Having worked hard to give my kids a better go in life why should I be forced to send them to the same trampy school as me? It won't improve state schools because no-one will pay for a state education. In fact it'll stretch an already failing system to breaking point because they can't cope with the numbers. So not only will my kids suffer, but also the tramps who are (at least currently) getting a basic education for nowt. Every kid sould have the same chance at school. Your kids already have an advantage at home with (I asume) caring loving hard working parents, providing assisatance and good role models. All the more reason for kids with bad parents to be given a chance You've avoided my point. If my kids went to their local state school that's another few spaces taken up. Another few kids in the already large class, more kids that the teacher has to spread themself even more thinly across. My kids going to a state school rather than a private one would do more harm to the already disadvantaged kids. (I don't have any kids btw.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21056 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I think the home schooling/social interaction is a myth to a certain extent. Says the oirish work-at-home hermit in France. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3902 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Education is a load better than it was ten years ago. It sickens me that they haven chosen to take this path now. I would make every kid go there local school and ensure that every child in the country had exactly the same spent on them. The only thing that makes me more angry than faith schools is private education. Actually make that the same angry they are both equally and totally wrong Having worked hard to give my kids a better go in life why should I be forced to send them to the same trampy school as me? It won't improve state schools because no-one will pay for a state education. In fact it'll stretch an already failing system to breaking point because they can't cope with the numbers. So not only will my kids suffer, but also the tramps who are (at least currently) getting a basic education for nowt. Every kid sould have the same chance at school. Your kids already have an advantage at home with (I asume) caring loving hard working parents, providing assisatance and good role models. All the more reason for kids with bad parents to be given a chance You've avoided my point. If my kids went to their local state school that's another few spaces taken up. Another few kids in the already large class, more kids that the teacher has to spread themself even more thinly across. My kids going to a state school rather than a private one would do more harm to the already disadvantaged kids. (I don't have any kids btw.) I was arguing more about my opinions and beleifs about education in general than individual cases to be honest. In an ideal world I would have a well funded comprehensive system that gives everybody a chance. In reality I sent my kids to a catholic school because it had the best reults in the area. Wanting the best for my children made a hypocrite out of me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I was arguing more about my opinions and beleifs about education in general than individual cases to be honest. In an ideal world I would have a well funded comprehensive system that gives everybody a chance. In reality I sent my kids to a catholic school because it had the best reults in the area. Wanting the best for my children made a hypocrite out of me Disgraceful. The way I see it, the more people who can afford to send their kids to private school, the better. Those remaining kids will getter a bigger bite of the state pie so it's a win-win scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I think the home schooling/social interaction is a myth to a certain extent. Says the oirish work-at-home hermit in France. I'm not home schooled, though, Rotundington. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3902 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I was arguing more about my opinions and beleifs about education in general than individual cases to be honest. In an ideal world I would have a well funded comprehensive system that gives everybody a chance. In reality I sent my kids to a catholic school because it had the best reults in the area. Wanting the best for my children made a hypocrite out of me Disgraceful. The way I see it, the more people who can afford to send their kids to private school, the better. Those remaining kids will getter a bigger bite of the state pie so it's a win-win scenario. Doesnt really work like that though does it. It just means that the state schools get less as the people with money ie influence pay for their own kids. Therefore people with money and privelage get better and better off, the poor get increasingly marganilsed and worse off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I was arguing more about my opinions and beleifs about education in general than individual cases to be honest. In an ideal world I would have a well funded comprehensive system that gives everybody a chance. In reality I sent my kids to a catholic school because it had the best reults in the area. Wanting the best for my children made a hypocrite out of me Disgraceful. The way I see it, the more people who can afford to send their kids to private school, the better. Those remaining kids will getter a bigger bite of the state pie so it's a win-win scenario. Doesnt really work like that though does it. It just means that the state schools get less as the people with money ie influence pay for their own kids. Therefore people with money and privelage get better and better off, the poor get increasingly marganilsed and worse off. Sending your kids to private school doesn't leave you exempt from paying taxes. why will state schools get less? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 (edited) Sending your kids to private school doesn't leave you exempt from paying taxes. why will state schools get less? Because the people who have the influence decide whether that tax goes to the schools. In my experience, SB, the people you're worrying about don't give half as much a fuck about you, worry about your own family first. We're not going to change anything, anyway. EDIT: Actually, you've already said that's what you're doing! Edited October 4, 2006 by ObaGol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3902 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I was arguing more about my opinions and beleifs about education in general than individual cases to be honest. In an ideal world I would have a well funded comprehensive system that gives everybody a chance. In reality I sent my kids to a catholic school because it had the best reults in the area. Wanting the best for my children made a hypocrite out of me Disgraceful. The way I see it, the more people who can afford to send their kids to private school, the better. Those remaining kids will getter a bigger bite of the state pie so it's a win-win scenario. Doesnt really work like that though does it. It just means that the state schools get less as the people with money ie influence pay for their own kids. Therefore people with money and privelage get better and better off, the poor get increasingly marganilsed and worse off. Sending your kids to private school doesn't leave you exempt from paying taxes. why will state schools get less? Because if the people who have got money to throw at their children have children in the state sector then they are going to be a damn sight more interested in ensuring the state sector provides a decent level of schooling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Sending your kids to private school doesn't leave you exempt from paying taxes. why will state schools get less? Because the people who have the influence decide whether that tax goes to the schools. Any government that reduces spending on education or health won't last long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I was arguing more about my opinions and beleifs about education in general than individual cases to be honest. In an ideal world I would have a well funded comprehensive system that gives everybody a chance. In reality I sent my kids to a catholic school because it had the best reults in the area. Wanting the best for my children made a hypocrite out of me Disgraceful. The way I see it, the more people who can afford to send their kids to private school, the better. Those remaining kids will getter a bigger bite of the state pie so it's a win-win scenario. Doesnt really work like that though does it. It just means that the state schools get less as the people with money ie influence pay for their own kids. Therefore people with money and privelage get better and better off, the poor get increasingly marganilsed and worse off. Sending your kids to private school doesn't leave you exempt from paying taxes. why will state schools get less? Because if the people who have got money to throw at their children have children in the state sector then they are going to be a damn sight more interested in ensuring the state sector provides a decent level of schooling I think you've answered a completely different question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3902 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 Sending your kids to private school doesn't leave you exempt from paying taxes. why will state schools get less? Because the people who have the influence decide whether that tax goes to the schools. In my experience, SB, the people you're worrying about don't give half as much a fuck about you, worry about your own family first. We're not going to change anything, anyway. EDIT: Actually, you've already said that's what you're doing! It was still a comprehensive, just not the nearest one. Thats how I rationalise my guilt anyhow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3902 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I was arguing more about my opinions and beleifs about education in general than individual cases to be honest. In an ideal world I would have a well funded comprehensive system that gives everybody a chance. In reality I sent my kids to a catholic school because it had the best reults in the area. Wanting the best for my children made a hypocrite out of me Disgraceful. The way I see it, the more people who can afford to send their kids to private school, the better. Those remaining kids will getter a bigger bite of the state pie so it's a win-win scenario. Doesnt really work like that though does it. It just means that the state schools get less as the people with money ie influence pay for their own kids. Therefore people with money and privelage get better and better off, the poor get increasingly marganilsed and worse off. Sending your kids to private school doesn't leave you exempt from paying taxes. why will state schools get less? Because if the people who have got money to throw at their children have children in the state sector then they are going to be a damn sight more interested in ensuring the state sector provides a decent level of schooling I think you've answered a completely different question. Jeez are you kidding me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 It was still a comprehensive, just not the nearest one. Thats how I rationalise my guilt anyhow Is it working? Try working out the price of your designer labels in terms of African babies' lives. That's real poverty btw, and why I have limited sympathy with the quality of education in comprehensives. I think while adversity brings out the best in people, the social welfare net seems to do the opposite. Not that I'm suggesting doing away with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I was arguing more about my opinions and beleifs about education in general than individual cases to be honest. In an ideal world I would have a well funded comprehensive system that gives everybody a chance. In reality I sent my kids to a catholic school because it had the best reults in the area. Wanting the best for my children made a hypocrite out of me Disgraceful. The way I see it, the more people who can afford to send their kids to private school, the better. Those remaining kids will getter a bigger bite of the state pie so it's a win-win scenario. Doesnt really work like that though does it. It just means that the state schools get less as the people with money ie influence pay for their own kids. Therefore people with money and privelage get better and better off, the poor get increasingly marganilsed and worse off. Sending your kids to private school doesn't leave you exempt from paying taxes. why will state schools get less? Because if the people who have got money to throw at their children have children in the state sector then they are going to be a damn sight more interested in ensuring the state sector provides a decent level of schooling I think you've answered a completely different question. Jeez are you kidding me. To pick a random figure out of the air, let's say that state schools currently get £1Bn in subsidies (I wouldn't have a clue). It's entirely separate to what the parents of kids at private school pay. If you abandon all private funding of certain schools, that £1bn will have to spread over far more kids. By the same token, the more parents that subsidise a better education for their own kids, the less people taking out of the £1bn kitty which leaves more for the less priveliged and a higher standard of education for all. You seem to be suggesting well off parents will continue to pay private fees for their kids to go to state school. Are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3902 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 I was arguing more about my opinions and beleifs about education in general than individual cases to be honest. In an ideal world I would have a well funded comprehensive system that gives everybody a chance. In reality I sent my kids to a catholic school because it had the best reults in the area. Wanting the best for my children made a hypocrite out of me Disgraceful. The way I see it, the more people who can afford to send their kids to private school, the better. Those remaining kids will getter a bigger bite of the state pie so it's a win-win scenario. Doesnt really work like that though does it. It just means that the state schools get less as the people with money ie influence pay for their own kids. Therefore people with money and privelage get better and better off, the poor get increasingly marganilsed and worse off. Sending your kids to private school doesn't leave you exempt from paying taxes. why will state schools get less? Because if the people who have got money to throw at their children have children in the state sector then they are going to be a damn sight more interested in ensuring the state sector provides a decent level of schooling I think you've answered a completely different question. Jeez are you kidding me. To pick a random figure out of the air, let's say that state schools currently get £1Bn in subsidies (I wouldn't have a clue). It's entirely separate to what the parents of kids at private school pay. If you abandon all private funding of certain schools, that £1bn will have to spread over far more kids. By the same token, the more parents that subsidise a better education for their own kids, the less people taking out of the £1bn kitty which leaves more for the less priveliged and a higher standard of education for all. You seem to be suggesting well off parents will continue to pay private fees for their kids to go to state school. Are you? The point is state education is payed for by taxes. If the rich and influential all send little tarquin to private school the they have no interest inhaving tax spent on state education. Therefore less money is spent on state education. Not only that they pay more to teachers so the best teachers are taken out of the state sector. The rich get to send their schools to well maintained schools wih all thefacilities money can buy. The poor send their kids to underfunded schools with badly paid teachers. Welcome to Britain pre labour Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 The point is state education is payed for by taxes. If the rich and influential all send little tarquin to private school the they have no interest inhaving tax spent on state education. Therefore less money is spent on state education. Not only that they pay more to teachers so the best teachers are taken out of the state sector. The rich get to send their schools to well maintained schools wih all thefacilities money can buy. The poor send their kids to underfunded schools with badly paid teachers. Welcome to Britain pre labour That really is taking the piss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 3902 Posted October 4, 2006 Share Posted October 4, 2006 The point is state education is payed for by taxes. If the rich and influential all send little tarquin to private school the they have no interest inhaving tax spent on state education. Therefore less money is spent on state education. Not only that they pay more to teachers so the best teachers are taken out of the state sector. The rich get to send their schools to well maintained schools wih all thefacilities money can buy. The poor send their kids to underfunded schools with badly paid teachers. Welcome to Britain pre labour That really is taking the piss. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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