Ugly Scenes in the Tunnel

[Craig 6700]

Who's side were you in the Bellamy v Shepherd debate then Leazes?

 

Was Fred right to condemn him and say he had no future at NUFC?

 

A simple yes or no will do

 

I'm not in anybodys "camp".

 

I just see the situation as a dispute between people. are you suggesting you don't have an opinion on this other than a biased one ?

 

So far as Fred is concerned, I really don't give a shite, I just want the best for the club and I do not believe Fred was doing anything other than backing his manager, which is what a chairman is supposed to do. Shit ones don't by the way, in case you haven't still grasped this concept. So, yes, even though I disagree with his judgement, I think he was right to back his manager. You need to learn how to seperate the difference in roles between the manager and chairman, but to be fair, you aren't the only one on here who can't do that.

 

The simple fact is, Terry McDermott made public remarks about Craig Bellamy without even meeting the bloke so Craig Bellamy has every reason to want to take him to task for it.

 

Do you still think we are better off without Craig Bellamy, yes or no ? And do you still think we were right to back Souness with a shitload of money to "build his team" ?

 

A simple yes or no will do

 

[Craig 6700]

I think True Faith's piece on Bellamy sums it up perfectly imho

 

http://www.true-faith.co.uk/html/Features/bellamy.htm

 

 

That article sums up exactly how I feel on the matter

 

That article is absolutely spot on.

[Guest alex]

Aye, I totally agree with the article too. Said at the time that I thought Souness had set Bellamy up and that he fell for it hook, line and sinker (unfortunately the boost to Souness's ego was NUFC's loss). I also agree that while I'm sorry Bellamy left, I'm not that sorry. I think he was a very good player for us but I sometimes think he is made out to be better than he was and that his negative side is forgotten at times because he clashed with Souness, a man just about every Toon fan hates.

Regarding Shepherd, I wouldn't criticise him for backing Souness as the chairman had to back the manager over a player in this instance imo. With Terry Mac, while it may seem like he was out of order (and perhaps he was) on a superficial level to criticise a lad he'd never met, anyone who thinks he wasn't saying exactly what Souness (as well as probably Shepherd and Shearer amongst others) wanted him to is being blind to the obvious in my view.

[luckypierre 0]

I dont think anyone in their right mind could back Shepherd over the clubs media assasination of Bellamy. Shepherds involvement was worse than McDermotts, who do you think gave the go ahead for McDermott to do what he did?

 

Great business decision

[Bombadil 0]

I agree with the article, but I remember that there were a lot of people who agreed with Souness when he said that Bellamy was not good enough as a striker, which is ridiculous IMO. Shit person, yes - but a very, very good striker nevertheless. I still think the amount of people who fell for Souness' and the club's propaganda was embarrassing. Having said that, this debate has been going on for way too long already and surely it's time to move on now.

[luckyluke 2]

I agree with the article, but I remember that there were a lot of people who agreed with Souness when he said that Bellamy was not good enough as a striker, which is ridiculous IMO. Shit person, yes - but a very, very good striker nevertheless. I still think the amount of people who fell for Souness' and the club's propaganda was embarrassing. Having said that, this debate has been going on for way too long already and surely it's time to move on now.

 

Nonsense, what we need is another fifteen-pager about it.

[Gemmill 46035]

Barry Glendenning and Sean Ingle

Thursday September 21, 2006

Guardian Unlimited

 

 

HE IS CRAIG BELLAMY ...

 

When Newcastle chairman Fat Freddy Shepherd tried to offload Craig Bellamy to Bongo FC, he is rumoured to have received a text from the neckless Welsh troublemaker saying: "I am Craig Bellamy and I don't sign for s**t football clubs!" Yes, he is Craig Bellamy and now that we know what he doesn't do, it's probably time to remind ourselves what he does do. He is Craig Bellamy and - among other unsavoury incidents too numerous to mention - he throws chairs at the first-team coach in the airport, brags about his earnings, gets beaten up by his manager in the club gymnasium, gets thrown down stairs by bouncers in Cardiff nightclubs, slags off his former employers, gets locked in coach toilets by team-mates who hate him, and then signs for Liverpool and tells Big Paper that he has matured because "the older you get, the cleverer you get".

 

And last night Bellamy, 27, proved just how clever he is by instigating a fracas in the tunnel at Anfield with Newcastle coach and Liverpool legend Terry McDermott. "I was talking to the referee at the edge of the tunnel when Bellamy appeared and started calling me names," aye-ayed McDermott. "I thought he was just joking and I put my arm around him, but he kept on calling me names and that's when it all kicked off. There was no need for it at all and he was 100% out of order."

 

Of course, lest anyone think the Fiver's putting a negative spin on Bellamy's showreel in a bid to make him look bad, it's worth noting that he does have an axe to grind with McDermott. When the Liverpool striker was shipped out on loan to the Queen's Celtic from Newcastle last year, McDermott told one reporter "I have never come across so much hatred and unrest over one person. They've begged me not to let this guy back into the club." Which means Blackeye Rovers got him instead, and now Liverpool are lumbered with him. "He's more mature," said Rafa Benitez when asked to explain why he signed Bellamy. "I really couldn't see," he said when asked to explain Bellamy's behaviour last night.

[Chaser 1255]

Although i still believe Bellamy is a good player, he reminds me of the kid off The Green Mile who the rest of the wardens hate. Even looks a bit like him

[Guest alex]

I dont think anyone in their right mind could back Shepherd over the clubs media assasination of Bellamy. Shepherds involvement was worse than McDermotts, who do you think gave the go ahead for McDermott to do what he did?

 

Great business decision

Aye, that's a good point. While Shepherd had to back Souness (in my view) the subsequent character assasination via the media was daft as all it did was lower the value of the player.

[Tooj 17]

Although i still believe Bellamy is a good player, he reminds me of the kid off The Green Mile who the rest of the wardens hate. Even looks a bit like him

The one who was in the X-Files?

[Tooj 17]

I think the reason people do still go on about Bellamy so much is basically just the fact that for so long we were devoid of any sort of pace upfront and we could all see what an affect it was having on Shearer and the rest of the team, when we knew we'd just flogged one of our best players for a measley 4.5 million and were yet to replace him.

[Renton 22003]

Barry Glendenning and Sean Ingle

Thursday September 21, 2006

Guardian Unlimited

 

 

HE IS CRAIG BELLAMY ...

 

When Newcastle chairman Fat Freddy Shepherd tried to offload Craig Bellamy to Bongo FC, he is rumoured to have received a text from the neckless Welsh troublemaker saying: "I am Craig Bellamy and I don't sign for s**t football clubs!" Yes, he is Craig Bellamy and now that we know what he doesn't do, it's probably time to remind ourselves what he does do. He is Craig Bellamy and - among other unsavoury incidents too numerous to mention - he throws chairs at the first-team coach in the airport, brags about his earnings, gets beaten up by his manager in the club gymnasium, gets thrown down stairs by bouncers in Cardiff nightclubs, slags off his former employers, gets locked in coach toilets by team-mates who hate him, and then signs for Liverpool and tells Big Paper that he has matured because "the older you get, the cleverer you get".

 

And last night Bellamy, 27, proved just how clever he is by instigating a fracas in the tunnel at Anfield with Newcastle coach and Liverpool legend Terry McDermott. "I was talking to the referee at the edge of the tunnel when Bellamy appeared and started calling me names," aye-ayed McDermott. "I thought he was just joking and I put my arm around him, but he kept on calling me names and that's when it all kicked off. There was no need for it at all and he was 100% out of order."

 

Of course, lest anyone think the Fiver's putting a negative spin on Bellamy's showreel in a bid to make him look bad, it's worth noting that he does have an axe to grind with McDermott. When the Liverpool striker was shipped out on loan to the Queen's Celtic from Newcastle last year, McDermott told one reporter "I have never come across so much hatred and unrest over one person. They've begged me not to let this guy back into the club." Which means Blackeye Rovers got him instead, and now Liverpool are lumbered with him. "He's more mature," said Rafa Benitez when asked to explain why he signed Bellamy. "I really couldn't see," he said when asked to explain Bellamy's behaviour last night.

 

Well that's McDermott's side to it, no other witnesses cited. Btw, wtf is the Queen's Celtic?

 

Oh, and Gemmill, you lost the argument remember? Your sig is making you look foolish!

[geordieshandy 0]

Barry Glendenning and Sean Ingle

Thursday September 21, 2006

Guardian Unlimited

 

 

HE IS CRAIG BELLAMY ...

 

When Newcastle chairman Fat Freddy Shepherd tried to offload Craig Bellamy to Bongo FC, he is rumoured to have received a text from the neckless Welsh troublemaker saying: "I am Craig Bellamy and I don't sign for s**t football clubs!" Yes, he is Craig Bellamy and now that we know what he doesn't do, it's probably time to remind ourselves what he does do. He is Craig Bellamy and - among other unsavoury incidents too numerous to mention - he throws chairs at the first-team coach in the airport, brags about his earnings, gets beaten up by his manager in the club gymnasium, gets thrown down stairs by bouncers in Cardiff nightclubs, slags off his former employers, gets locked in coach toilets by team-mates who hate him, and then signs for Liverpool and tells Big Paper that he has matured because "the older you get, the cleverer you get".

 

And last night Bellamy, 27, proved just how clever he is by instigating a fracas in the tunnel at Anfield with Newcastle coach and Liverpool legend Terry McDermott. "I was talking to the referee at the edge of the tunnel when Bellamy appeared and started calling me names," aye-ayed McDermott. "I thought he was just joking and I put my arm around him, but he kept on calling me names and that's when it all kicked off. There was no need for it at all and he was 100% out of order."

 

Of course, lest anyone think the Fiver's putting a negative spin on Bellamy's showreel in a bid to make him look bad, it's worth noting that he does have an axe to grind with McDermott. When the Liverpool striker was shipped out on loan to the Queen's Celtic from Newcastle last year, McDermott told one reporter "I have never come across so much hatred and unrest over one person. They've begged me not to let this guy back into the club." Which means Blackeye Rovers got him instead, and now Liverpool are lumbered with him. "He's more mature," said Rafa Benitez when asked to explain why he signed Bellamy. "I really couldn't see," he said when asked to explain Bellamy's behaviour last night.

 

Well that's McDermott's side to it, no other witnesses cited. Btw, wtf is the Queen's Celtic?

 

Oh, and Gemmill, you lost the argument remember? Your sig is making you look foolish!

 

 

It's from the Fiver, they always call Celtic that, as with the Pope's O'Rangers

[gram 0]

I agree with the article, but I remember that there were a lot of people who agreed with Souness when he said that Bellamy was not good enough as a striker, which is ridiculous IMO. Shit person, yes - but a very, very good striker nevertheless. I still think the amount of people who fell for Souness' and the club's propaganda was embarrassing. Having said that, this debate has been going on for way too long already and surely it's time to move on now.

51 goals in the top flight by the age of 27 is evidence that he is a top striker ? Good player but he hasnt averaged 10 a season in the premiership yet. Watching him for newcastle confirmed he isnt a natural striker in the goalscoring sense. He has had one decent season in front of goal and that was it. Good player but not to be rated in the pantheon of strikers with that rate.

 

Falling for the clubs propaganda is one thing. Condoning what the little prick did is quite another. Personally i still cant understand anyone backing him. Plenty of mugs do though.

 

I would happily tolerate that shite from Keane or Shearer or Beardsley or Gazza cos they are leagues better as players. Letting a good but far from great player get away with that sells us short in my view.

 

i rate our club higher than having to permit his nonsense. Yes we would be better with him in the team but there is so much more to it thatn that.

 

It was a good article by the way.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

I see one of the Bellamy haters (Gemmil) had to start another thread about him, will these people not just let go, he's left the club now

 

Anyway its a non story really and is only one because it's Bellamy. If Terry Mac had done to me what he did to Bellamy hammering me in the papers, and stirring up shit and doing a character assasination on me whilst crawling up Souness' arse to help kick me out the club, i'd have had a go at him alot sooner than Bellamy and would have said far worse.

 

And i'd have to say Bellamy's attitude to toon fans actually deserves more credit than he's getting. Because since he was kicked out, when he's played us he's continual abuse from toon fans, including a bottle being thrown at him vs Liverpool, yet he hasn't slagged us or the club (Souness et al aside) and when Pool scored their goals he just joined in with restrained celebrations when he could easilly, as many players do go over the top, give the fans some back and really rub it in, but he didn't. However that doesn't make much of a story.

 

He's clearly a beligerent, argumentative little bastard who opens his mouth too much and probably is a bit too arrogant, but who gives a toss, every manager bar one he's had rates him and sticks up for him. And the only one out of all of them who didn't, he doesn't even merit the title manager.

[Gemmill 46035]

Argumentative short people's union tbh.

[Papa Lazaru 0]

Argumentative short people's union tbh.

 

Say that again and i'll headbutt you in the kneecaps!

[luckypierre 0]

Argumentative short people's union tbh.

 

you a member of the lanky one? Especially with that sig.

 

You lost by the way

[Gemmill 46035]

Argumentative short people's union tbh.

 

you a member of the lanky one? Especially with that sig.

 

You lost by the way

 

Wrong. Join the ranks of the defeated.

[Craig 6700]

I see one of the Bellamy haters (Gemmil) had to start another thread about him, will these people not just let go, he's left the club now

 

Anyway its a non story really and is only one because it's Bellamy. If Terry Mac had done to me what he did to Bellamy hammering me in the papers, and stirring up shit and doing a character assasination on me whilst crawling up Souness' arse to help kick me out the club, i'd have had a go at him alot sooner than Bellamy and would have said far worse.

 

And i'd have to say Bellamy's attitude to toon fans actually deserves more credit than he's getting. Because since he was kicked out, when he's played us he's continual abuse from toon fans, including a bottle being thrown at him vs Liverpool, yet he hasn't slagged us or the club (Souness et al aside) and when Pool scored their goals he just joined in with restrained celebrations when he could easilly, as many players do go over the top, give the fans some back and really rub it in, but he didn't. However that doesn't make much of a story.

 

He's clearly a beligerent, argumentative little bastard who opens his mouth too much and probably is a bit too arrogant, but who gives a toss, every manager bar one he's had rates him and sticks up for him. And the only one out of all of them who didn't, he doesn't even merit the title manager.

 

Is kissing the Liverpool badge in front of the Newcastle fans classed as 'restrained celebration' these days?

[Papa Lazaru 0]

I see one of the Bellamy haters (Gemmil) had to start another thread about him, will these people not just let go, he's left the club now

 

Anyway its a non story really and is only one because it's Bellamy. If Terry Mac had done to me what he did to Bellamy hammering me in the papers, and stirring up shit and doing a character assasination on me whilst crawling up Souness' arse to help kick me out the club, i'd have had a go at him alot sooner than Bellamy and would have said far worse.

 

And i'd have to say Bellamy's attitude to toon fans actually deserves more credit than he's getting. Because since he was kicked out, when he's played us he's continual abuse from toon fans, including a bottle being thrown at him vs Liverpool, yet he hasn't slagged us or the club (Souness et al aside) and when Pool scored their goals he just joined in with restrained celebrations when he could easilly, as many players do go over the top, give the fans some back and really rub it in, but he didn't. However that doesn't make much of a story.

 

He's clearly a beligerent, argumentative little bastard who opens his mouth too much and probably is a bit too arrogant, but who gives a toss, every manager bar one he's had rates him and sticks up for him. And the only one out of all of them who didn't, he doesn't even merit the title manager.

 

Is kissing the Liverpool badge in front of the Newcastle fans classed as 'restrained celebration' these days?

 

Didn't see that to be honest, i think its fair in return for the booing and the chucked bottle, but no, its not a restrained celebration!!!

[spongebob toonpants 4134]

I see one of the Bellamy haters (Gemmil) had to start another thread about him, will these people not just let go, he's left the club now

 

Anyway its a non story really and is only one because it's Bellamy. If Terry Mac had done to me what he did to Bellamy hammering me in the papers, and stirring up shit and doing a character assasination on me whilst crawling up Souness' arse to help kick me out the club, i'd have had a go at him alot sooner than Bellamy and would have said far worse.

 

And i'd have to say Bellamy's attitude to toon fans actually deserves more credit than he's getting. Because since he was kicked out, when he's played us he's continual abuse from toon fans, including a bottle being thrown at him vs Liverpool, yet he hasn't slagged us or the club (Souness et al aside) and when Pool scored their goals he just joined in with restrained celebrations when he could easilly, as many players do go over the top, give the fans some back and really rub it in, but he didn't. However that doesn't make much of a story.

 

He's clearly a beligerent, argumentative little bastard who opens his mouth too much and probably is a bit too arrogant, but who gives a toss, every manager bar one he's had rates him and sticks up for him. And the only one out of all of them who didn't, he doesn't even merit the title manager.

 

Is kissing the Liverpool badge in front of the Newcastle fans classed as 'restrained celebration' these days?

 

Didn't see that to be honest, i think its fair in return for the booing and the chucked bottle, but no, its not a restrained celebration!!!

 

I really dont understand how people can forgive this sort of behaviour

[snakehips 0]

Bellamy has only scored 50 top-flight goals? I am surprised at that, I have to say.

 

I wonder how Bellamy and Ameobi's goals/games ratios compare? Maybe someone with more time and intelligence could have a look?

[gram 0]

Bellamy has only scored 50 top-flight goals? I am surprised at that, I have to say.

 

I wonder how Bellamy and Ameobi's goals/games ratios compare? Maybe someone with more time and intelligence could have a look?

 

Bellamy = 28 prem goals in 93 full games for us

Shola = 26 prem goals in 90 full games for us

 

Obviously Shola has a good few sub appearance too.

 

As a disclaimer I will say that they arent on the same planet but then Shola apparently has never kissed a liverpool badge in front of newcastle fans has he?

[gram 0]

Bellamy has only scored 50 top-flight goals? I am surprised at that, I have to say.

 

I wonder how Bellamy and Ameobi's goals/games ratios compare? Maybe someone with more time and intelligence could have a look?

 

Bellamy = 28 prem goals in 93 full games for us

Shola = 26 prem goals in 90 full games for us

 

Obviously Shola has a good few sub appearance too.

 

As a disclaimer I will say that they arent on the same planet but then Shola apparently has never kissed a liverpool badge in front of newcastle fans has he?

Watch the liverpool game tonight and you might see why he hasnt scored a boatload. Missed a sitter. JJ missed one too but at least he had ran 40 yards to get on the end of it.