Pope: "Muhammad has brought only evil and inhuman things".

[Guest alex]

With 'countries' being a Freudian slip

[Toonpack 9108]

You'd need to see a transcript of the speech to judge it.

 

 

I choose to base my reaction on my established dislike of the Pope, and condemn this statement as not only stupid but also unhelpful and dangerous. In fact the last thing we need.

 

Before people go all Leazes on me I hate all organised religion equally, they are all the problem

 

I might be biased, and in fact I am, but I actually do find islam a particularly reprehensible faith and dislike the socieities it has created immensely. The worst aspect of it is the fact that you cannot crticise it without having a fatwa put on you, but I find it wrong on so many levels. It basically belongs in the dark ages, if there even.

 

Other faiths have their problems but none have led to so many problems as islam imo.

 

 

All as bad as each other. All as wrong as each other All evil

I agree with SB there. I think you are on very dangerous ground once you start saying one is worse than the other. I also think it's inaccurate as Christianity has a very bloody past and you could make a very strong argument that even today you have the example of the very worrying influence the religious right in America has over that countries foreign policy.

 

Thats a very good point alex. The religious right in america is arguably behind the very bloody and violent US foreign policy.

 

Personally I think it's more than "arguably". I'm on a fair number of US forums and there are an awfull lot of them around, some of them are down-right scary, and of the really scary one's, to a man they are GWB devotee's

[spongebob toonpants 3902]

But dont you understand, America has God on their side. The proper one. The one with Jesus and that

[Toonpack 9108]

But dont you understand, America has God on their side. The proper one. The one with Jesus and that

 

Yep and when they nuke Iran, Jesus will save them

[spongebob toonpants 3902]

But dont you understand, America has God on their side. The proper one. The one with Jesus and that

 

Yep and when they nuke Iran, Jesus will save them

 

 

I am much more worried by the danger to the world of the American fundamentalist right than Islamic nutters

[Guest alex]

But dont you understand, America has God on their side. The proper one. The one with Jesus and that

Well Jesus probably is the most famous American ever.

[Meenzer 15347]

But dont you understand, America has God on their side. The proper one. The one with Jesus and that

Well Jesus probably is the most famous American ever.

Nice neat crewcut, too.

[Gemmill 44106]

If Jesus was American he would have worn white socks with his sandals.

[Toonpack 9108]

But dont you understand, America has God on their side. The proper one. The one with Jesus and that

Well Jesus probably is the most famous American ever.

 

He gets about a bit

 

 

[luckyluke 2]

Jesus came 13th I think in a poll of 100 greatest Americans.

 

With regards to the Pope, he may not have meant to cause offence by stressing the words were not his, but that was very naiive. Once people hear something as inflammatory as that they don't listen to the caveats.

 

This is particularly true of religious types - look at the branding of Ken Livingstone as an Anti Semite after his comments to that journalist.

[Renton 21045]

You'd need to see a transcript of the speech to judge it.

 

 

I choose to base my reaction on my established dislike of the Pope, and condemn this statement as not only stupid but also unhelpful and dangerous. In fact the last thing we need.

 

Before people go all Leazes on me I hate all organised religion equally, they are all the problem

 

I might be biased, and in fact I am, but I actually do find islam a particularly reprehensible faith and dislike the socieities it has created immensely. The worst aspect of it is the fact that you cannot crticise it without having a fatwa put on you, but I find it wrong on so many levels. It basically belongs in the dark ages, if there even.

 

Other faiths have their problems but none have led to so many problems as islam imo.

 

 

All as bad as each other. All as wrong as each other All evil

 

Well when I look at the treatment of women, Shariah law, the fact that any kind of debate on religion is stifled in virtually all islamic countries, the fact that they believe in a global brotherhood, fatwas, jihads, terrorism, non-integration into western soceities and a sizable proportion wanting to destroy them, hysteria about cartoons, removing Israel from the face of the earth, obsession with the afterlife, and finally the fact it is a completely joyless religion where all the fun things are banned (e.g. drinking, gambling, and bacon), I would say Islam is by far the worst religion on the planet. In fact, it reminds me more of a global cult.

 

I realise that many of these thing also apply to christianity and other religions, but not to the same extent imo. To say that all religions are equal to me is as preposterous as saying all philosophies, societies, or even governments are equal. Would you give the Koresh cult the same status as the C of E?

[Meenzer 15347]

(e.g. drinking, gambling, and bacon)

 

Supoib

 

I'd have nothing against getting rid of Israel though, their Eurovision entries are usually shocking.

[luckyluke 2]

You'd need to see a transcript of the speech to judge it.

 

 

I choose to base my reaction on my established dislike of the Pope, and condemn this statement as not only stupid but also unhelpful and dangerous. In fact the last thing we need.

 

Before people go all Leazes on me I hate all organised religion equally, they are all the problem

 

I might be biased, and in fact I am, but I actually do find islam a particularly reprehensible faith and dislike the socieities it has created immensely. The worst aspect of it is the fact that you cannot crticise it without having a fatwa put on you, but I find it wrong on so many levels. It basically belongs in the dark ages, if there even.

 

Other faiths have their problems but none have led to so many problems as islam imo.

 

 

All as bad as each other. All as wrong as each other All evil

 

Well when I look at the treatment of women, Shariah law, the fact that any kind of debate on religion is stifled in virtually all islamic countries, the fact that they believe in a global brotherhood, fatwas, jihads, terrorism, non-integration into western soceities and a sizable proportion wanting to destroy them, hysteria about cartoons, removing Israel from the face of the earth, obsession with the afterlife, and finally the fact it is a completely joyless religion where all the fun things are banned (e.g. drinking, gambling, and bacon), I would say Islam is by far the worst religion on the planet. In fact, it reminds me more of a global cult.

 

I realise that many of these thing also apply to christianity and other religions, but not to the same extent imo. To say that all religions are equal to me is as preposterous as saying all philosophies, societies, or even governments are equal. Would you give the Koresh cult the same status as the C of E?

 

Everything after the bit in bold is a generalisation, with some more true than others. I agree with you, but to say that all muslims believe in terrorism is a bit over the top.

[Meenzer 15347]

(e.g. drinking, gambling, and bacon)

Hang on, you don't suppose that means J69 is a Straight-Edge Soldier of Allah?

[Guest alex]

But Renton, you've taken all the worst aspects from various different parts of Islamic extremism and used them to say it's the worst religion on the planet. That's a massive over-simplification in my view. I'm not a fan of any particular religion but I think that in you look into areas of the world where Islam manifests (or is portrayed as manifesting) itself in the form of violent extremism then you will find there are many different causes behind it. Many of which lie close to home too.

[Tom 14011]

(e.g. drinking, gambling, and bacon)

Hang on, you don't suppose that means J69 is a Straight-Edge Soldier of Allah?

 

 

 

Who is this Alan, and what does he know about the shipment

[spongebob toonpants 3902]

You'd need to see a transcript of the speech to judge it.

 

 

I choose to base my reaction on my established dislike of the Pope, and condemn this statement as not only stupid but also unhelpful and dangerous. In fact the last thing we need.

 

Before people go all Leazes on me I hate all organised religion equally, they are all the problem

 

I might be biased, and in fact I am, but I actually do find islam a particularly reprehensible faith and dislike the socieities it has created immensely. The worst aspect of it is the fact that you cannot crticise it without having a fatwa put on you, but I find it wrong on so many levels. It basically belongs in the dark ages, if there even.

 

Other faiths have their problems but none have led to so many problems as islam imo.

 

 

All as bad as each other. All as wrong as each other All evil

 

Well when I look at the treatment of women, Shariah law, the fact that any kind of debate on religion is stifled in virtually all islamic countries, the fact that they believe in a global brotherhood, fatwas, jihads, terrorism, non-integration into western soceities and a sizable proportion wanting to destroy them, hysteria about cartoons, removing Israel from the face of the earth, obsession with the afterlife, and finally the fact it is a completely joyless religion where all the fun things are banned (e.g. drinking, gambling, and bacon), I would say Islam is by far the worst religion on the planet. In fact, it reminds me more of a global cult.

 

I realise that many of these thing also apply to christianity and other religions, but not to the same extent imo. To say that all religions are equal to me is as preposterous as saying all philosophies, societies, or even governments are equal. Would you give the Koresh cult the same status as the C of E?

 

 

The main difference between the Koresh cult and the C of E is the CofE has been round longer.

 

As for the rest of it - nice generalisation.

 

I agree with you about the bacon mind.

[luckyluke 2]

I prefer lamb tbh.

[Gemmill 44106]

I had a bacon sarnie from the canteen earlier. It was great.

[Renton 21045]

But Renton, you've taken all the worst aspects from various different parts of Islamic extremism and used them to say it's the worst religion on the planet. That's a massive over-simplification in my view. I'm not a fan of any particular religion but I think that in you look into areas of the world where Islam manifests (or is portrayed as manifesting) itself in the form of violent extremism then you will find there are many different causes behind it. Many of which lie close to home too.

 

I agree to an extent Alex, and obviouisly I was doing a bit of fishing in my post, but the more I find out about Islam the less I like it. Anyway, I think Chez Given hit the nail on the head on the first page, they have yet to have a period of enlightenment. Give it 500 years and it might be more acceptable to me (my head suspended in a futurama-type tank).

[Renton 21045]

You'd need to see a transcript of the speech to judge it.

 

 

I choose to base my reaction on my established dislike of the Pope, and condemn this statement as not only stupid but also unhelpful and dangerous. In fact the last thing we need.

 

Before people go all Leazes on me I hate all organised religion equally, they are all the problem

 

I might be biased, and in fact I am, but I actually do find islam a particularly reprehensible faith and dislike the socieities it has created immensely. The worst aspect of it is the fact that you cannot crticise it without having a fatwa put on you, but I find it wrong on so many levels. It basically belongs in the dark ages, if there even.

 

Other faiths have their problems but none have led to so many problems as islam imo.

 

 

All as bad as each other. All as wrong as each other All evil

 

Well when I look at the treatment of women, Shariah law, the fact that any kind of debate on religion is stifled in virtually all islamic countries, the fact that they believe in a global brotherhood, fatwas, jihads, terrorism, non-integration into western soceities and a sizable proportion wanting to destroy them, hysteria about cartoons, removing Israel from the face of the earth, obsession with the afterlife, and finally the fact it is a completely joyless religion where all the fun things are banned (e.g. drinking, gambling, and bacon), I would say Islam is by far the worst religion on the planet. In fact, it reminds me more of a global cult.

 

I realise that many of these thing also apply to christianity and other religions, but not to the same extent imo. To say that all religions are equal to me is as preposterous as saying all philosophies, societies, or even governments are equal. Would you give the Koresh cult the same status as the C of E?

 

 

The main difference between the Koresh cult and the C of E is the CofE has been round longer.

 

As for the rest of it - nice generalisation.

 

I agree with you about the bacon mind.

 

Glad you can spot the difference. My bit about the oppression of women and Shariah law is not really a generalisation though, is it? Neither is their fundamental belief that freedom of speech should be curtailed, even in non-islamic countries (this applies to other religions but none so strongly). Agree or disagree?

[Guest alex]

But Renton, you've taken all the worst aspects from various different parts of Islamic extremism and used them to say it's the worst religion on the planet. That's a massive over-simplification in my view. I'm not a fan of any particular religion but I think that in you look into areas of the world where Islam manifests (or is portrayed as manifesting) itself in the form of violent extremism then you will find there are many different causes behind it. Many of which lie close to home too.

 

I agree to an extent Alex, and obviouisly I was doing a bit of fishing in my post, but the more I find out about Islam the less I like it. Anyway, I think Chez Given hit the nail on the head on the first page, they have yet to have a period of enlightenment. Give it 500 years and it might be more acceptable to me (my head suspended in a futurama-type tank).

What about the Moors and their period of rule which included religious tolerance, academic brilliance and technological advancement then? They were enlightened when London was little more than a village. The reason I say that is because I think the problems with Islam are about the way the world is today and more about the hypocritical policies of the west than it is about them 'needing to catch' with Christianity.

[Renton 21045]

But Renton, you've taken all the worst aspects from various different parts of Islamic extremism and used them to say it's the worst religion on the planet. That's a massive over-simplification in my view. I'm not a fan of any particular religion but I think that in you look into areas of the world where Islam manifests (or is portrayed as manifesting) itself in the form of violent extremism then you will find there are many different causes behind it. Many of which lie close to home too.

 

I agree to an extent Alex, and obviouisly I was doing a bit of fishing in my post, but the more I find out about Islam the less I like it. Anyway, I think Chez Given hit the nail on the head on the first page, they have yet to have a period of enlightenment. Give it 500 years and it might be more acceptable to me (my head suspended in a futurama-type tank).

What about the Moors and their period of rule which included religious tolerance, academic brilliance and technological advancement then? They were enlightened when London was little more than a village. The reason I say that is because I think the problems with Islam are about the way the world is today and more about the hypocritical policies of the west than it is about them 'needing to catch' with Christianity.

 

Good point about the Moors, but that was a millenia ago was it not?

 

Can you just answer me this then. Name me an islamic country which you admire or would want to live in. Perhaps one that has a semblance of human rights for all men and women. Many are poor which doesn't help, but then again look at the wealth of Saudi etc.

 

I appreciate the hypocritical actions of the west are a major part of the problem, but I can't help thinking that islamic theocracies are fundamentally awful places.

 

Edit: I don't think any religion needs to catch up with christianity btw. They need to become enlightened, which is the opposite.

Edited September 15, 2006 by Renton

[Guest alex]

But Renton, you've taken all the worst aspects from various different parts of Islamic extremism and used them to say it's the worst religion on the planet. That's a massive over-simplification in my view. I'm not a fan of any particular religion but I think that in you look into areas of the world where Islam manifests (or is portrayed as manifesting) itself in the form of violent extremism then you will find there are many different causes behind it. Many of which lie close to home too.

 

I agree to an extent Alex, and obviouisly I was doing a bit of fishing in my post, but the more I find out about Islam the less I like it. Anyway, I think Chez Given hit the nail on the head on the first page, they have yet to have a period of enlightenment. Give it 500 years and it might be more acceptable to me (my head suspended in a futurama-type tank).

What about the Moors and their period of rule which included religious tolerance, academic brilliance and technological advancement then? They were enlightened when London was little more than a village. The reason I say that is because I think the problems with Islam are about the way the world is today and more about the hypocritical policies of the west than it is about them 'needing to catch' with Christianity.

 

Good point about the Moors, but that was a millenia ago was it not?

 

Can you just answer me this then. Name me an islamic country which you admire or would want to live in. Perhaps one that has a semblance of human rights for all men and women. Many are poor which doesn't help, but then again look at the wealth of Saudi etc.

 

I appreciate the hypocritical actions of the west are a major part of the problem, but I can't help thinking that islamic theocracies are fundamentally awful places.

 

Edit: I don't think any religion needs to catch up with christianity btw. They need to become enlightened, which is the opposite.

I'm not defending Islam Renton, particularly its extremist views.

I could just as easily say name me one country in Africa in South America you admire etc.

I know a couple who live and teach in Dubai btw and it sounds alright tbh, I don't fancy it though

[Rob W 0]

ref the treatment of women isn't there a major Christian mob who don't allow women fullscale participation and insist their operatives don't marry???