Happy Face 29 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Every other culture that's settled in the UK has been welcomed with open arms and settled right in? I'm totally baffled, I said: Plenty of other cultures have done it under much tougher circumstances. 174707[/snapback] Done what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 The Irish would disagree - and so would the Jews 174708[/snapback] That would be my point, can you read what I said again and explain what I've said to comfuse you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Done what? 174709[/snapback] Integrated, that being the topic of the post I responded to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 That would be my point, can you read what I said again and explain what I've said to comfuse you? 174711[/snapback] I said you can't just blame muslims for their failure to integrate, and you said every other culture managed it. As if to say we can blame them. That's how it reads to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Are you English because of how you were brought up or because of the ground you were born on? Malcolm X was an Afro American Muslim because he found that to be his true title.. i suppose he did get shot though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) That would be my point, can you read what I said again and explain what I've said to comfuse you? 174711[/snapback] I said you can't just blame muslims for their failure to integrate, and you said every other culture managed it. As if to say we can blame them. That's how it reads to me. 174716[/snapback] Then I still don't understand this point: "Every other culture that's settled in the UK has been welcomed with open arms and settled right in?" Were Walker and Lawrence muslims? I thought they were race hate crimes against black teenagers. EDIT: To answer your point, I'm certainly questioing why they can't integrate, you don't think it's a crucial factor? edited again, wrong quote copied. Edited August 10, 2006 by DotBum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 "Another bloody hyphenated American- why cant they just be proud of being American?" Mrs W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 "Another bloody hyphenated American- why cant they just be proud of being American?" Mrs W 174721[/snapback] Can you actually see when someone points out you've made a mistake, or do you just go into denial? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21017 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) The documentary in question was called "What muslim's want" btw. It'd be good if anyone else saw it and gave their opinion, because I thought it was pretty fair although it scared the shit out of me. At the end of the day [some*] muslims want to live in in a society that is fundamentally different to what we regard is British in almost every way - politically, philosophically, religiously, economically, culturally, legally etc. That is why there will always be tension from now on imo. * A significant minority. Edited August 10, 2006 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 "Another bloody hyphenated American- why cant they just be proud of being American?" Mrs W 174721[/snapback] Can you actually see when someone points out you've made a mistake, or do you just go into denial? 174729[/snapback] I've never denied anything in my life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 (edited) The documentary in question was called "What muslim's want" btw. It'd be good if anyone else saw it and gave their opinion, because I thought it was pretty fair although it scared the shit out of me. At the end of the day [some*] muslims want to live in in a society that is fundamentally different to what we regard is British in almost every way - politically, philosophically, religiously, economically, culturally, legally etc. That is why there will always be tension from now on imo. * A significant minority. 174731[/snapback] Yeh i believe they were requesting the goverment intergraded some kind of law they follow religiously but ive forgotten the name Either way the laws are completely fucking stupid for civilised society and they can quite frankly fuck off* *That small minority Edited August 10, 2006 by T-Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 The documentary in question was called "What muslim's want" btw. It'd be good if anyone else saw it and gave their opinion, because I thought it was pretty fair although it scared the shit out of me. At the end of the day [some*] muslims want to live in in a society that is fundamentally different to what we regard is British in almost every way - politically, philosophically, religiously, economically, culturally, legally etc. That is why there will always be tension from now on imo. * A significant minority. 174731[/snapback] Yeh i believe they were requesting the goverment intergraded some kind of law they follow religiously but ive forgotten the name Either way the laws are completely fucking stupid for civilised society and they can quite frankly fuck off* *That small minority 174733[/snapback] Shariah? Never, really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21017 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 The documentary in question was called "What muslim's want" btw. It'd be good if anyone else saw it and gave their opinion, because I thought it was pretty fair although it scared the shit out of me. At the end of the day [some*] muslims want to live in in a society that is fundamentally different to what we regard is British in almost every way - politically, philosophically, religiously, economically, culturally, legally etc. That is why there will always be tension from now on imo. * A significant minority. 174731[/snapback] Yeh i believe they were requesting the goverment intergraded some kind of law they follow religiously but ive forgotten the name Either way the laws are completely fucking stupid for civilised society and they can quite frankly fuck off* *That small minority 174733[/snapback] Shariah law. Interestingly, LM is all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44080 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 The documentary in question was called "What muslim's want" btw. 174731[/snapback] They wanna really really really wanna zig-a-zig aaaaaah in my experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southern Geordie 1 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Bit paranoid, as my parents are coming back from holiday Sunday.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 I think, Muslims generally are partly to blame for not integrating. I think to deny that is, well, denying the obvious. I wouldn't suggest for a moment that all the blame lies at their feet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Aye of course they are are wrong after all - they (the majority) believe in respect for women, not getting pissed every night. no drugs, looking after your parents, protecting kids, no gambling, no staeling I can see why they're not very popular with some people on here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21017 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 The documentary in question was called "What muslim's want" btw. 174731[/snapback] They wanna really really really wanna zig-a-zig aaaaaah in my experience. 174739[/snapback] Do you have to dumb down everything you spaz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Monty can bridge the gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Monty can bridge the gap 174744[/snapback] I hope that was a joke. He's a Sikh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14011 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Twas Class cricketer though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Aye of course they are are wrong after all - they (the majority) believe in respect for women, not getting pissed every night. no drugs, looking after your parents, protecting kids, no gambling, no staeling I can see why they're not very popular with some people on here 174742[/snapback] I believe in deciding for yourself, unless you're harming others, so yes religious dogma of any kind doesn't go down very well with me. Better than the dogma of a increasingly confused babbling old man, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44080 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 The documentary in question was called "What muslim's want" btw. 174731[/snapback] They wanna really really really wanna zig-a-zig aaaaaah in my experience. 174739[/snapback] Do you have to dumb down everything you spaz? 174743[/snapback] I have to to bring you all down to my level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Then I still don't understand this point: "Every other culture that's settled in the UK has been welcomed with open arms and settled right in?" Were Walker and Lawrence muslims? I thought they were race hate crimes against black teenagers. EDIT: To answer your point, I'm certainly questioing why they can't integrate, you don't think it's a crucial factor? edited again, wrong quote copied. 174720[/snapback] No they weren't muslim. That's my point. Britain has as much trouble accepting ANY non-whites. Not just muslims. Are race hate crimes not indicative of a society that's yet to accept other cultures, the teenagers in question might have been British born and bred, but their skin colour marked them out as people with afro-carribean roots. Go to an Indian retaurant late on a Saturday night, or a Chinese. How welcome do the drunken arseholes make the people serving them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 Aye of course they are are wrong after all - they (the majority) believe in respect for women, not getting pissed every night. no drugs, looking after your parents, protecting kids, no gambling, no staeling I can see why they're not very popular with some people on here 174742[/snapback] We're talking about integration though Rob. No one is saying they are wrong or their beliefs should be like ours. Doing a Leazes/Straw man tbh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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