Renton 21263 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Just now, wolfy said: I think we're treated to a hell of a lot of green screen and a lot of rent a crowd participation, not to mention the silly looking missile props. Curiously that's the consensus view of cluesforum, you dippit sheeple twat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21263 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Just now, Rayvin said: Was just reading that they're undertaking an urgent review of their capabilities to intercept missiles. Seems certain that they'd be in trouble. In fact, there seems no outcome from the whole thing that would be beneficial to them, even if the US won with minimal casualties. Jesus, just read that Seoul I'd only 35 miles from the border? That's within artillery range I imagine. Can't intercept hundreds of shells. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I think their best hope is that NK totally focuses on the US. Having said that, if this kicks off SK might go straight over the border themselves. The sooner they take the regime down, the fewer casualties there'll be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 6986 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 The worry is that Trunp's lapdog is going to follow him into this clusterfuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30237 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Do they need us? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30237 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Though there's no doubt that if they requested assistance that the Tories are that desperate for a post Brexit deal that they'd have no choice but to follow Trump in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15388 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 If she feels she needs a Maggie moment, I'm sure he'd be delighted with the ego-massage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy 12 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 It makes me laugh when you see Kim sitting there holding binoculars, supposedly looking out at his so called ICBM's lifting off in the distance, whilst he's sat near a bunch of commodore 64 like computers. We are and have been played like a pack of mugs for long enough with these jokers. The laughable part... or scary part, depending on how people take all of this nonsense, is, they will crank this right up and have even bigger laughs at our expense. The people I feel really sorry for are the genuine folk who buy into all of this and are fearing a nuclear war, for no other reason than trusting the media sources that aid in pushing agendas. All it takes if for people to use their own available time and mind and they will see what a farce it all is. Those who are happy to accept the nuke nonsense and the fictional arguments between superpowers against rogue nations, all I can say is, try not to worry too much about the games they play, because as nutty as these people appear to be to you in terms of you thinking they will press a nuke button, just remember one simple thing: Life is too short to hang onto constant worrying shenanigans played out for you by the scripted media. You were born with a logical brain and lots of potential to use it. The problem is our logic is being battered into submission in favour of literally scripted bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30237 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I'd actually half welcome a nuclear strike on Britain just so Wolfy could see it with his own eyes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15388 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Might mean a 5-10% drop in house prices too, so I'm all for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21807 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 But how do you even know house prices are real? Where is the concrete evidence? There's a decent discussion to be had in this thread somewhere, once you wade through all the wolfy spam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21263 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 9 minutes ago, ewerk said: I'd actually half welcome a nuclear strike on Britain just so Wolfy could see it with his own eyes. He can see the moon with his own eyes. Still doesn't believe it's real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 I don't think we'd be involved in this conflict. Can we even project power that far any more? This is the US' issue alone - NK are no threat to Europe whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 minute ago, Renton said: He can see the moon with his own eyes. Still doesn't believe it's real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21263 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 8 minutes ago, Rayvin said: I don't think we'd be involved in this conflict. Can we even project power that far any more? This is the US' issue alone - NK are no threat to Europe whatsoever. There is no direct threat and little indirect threat, agreed. But the global ramifications could be huge. This is my concern with Trump. Whatever approach the US takes, we need level headed calculation, not hot headed rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) I doubt very much NK has a proper ICBM. They certainly have mid range missiles that can hit Japan. Last time I looked they were still having problems with getting a nuclear tipped re-entry vehicle on those even. I reckon they have 3/4 nukes which they still have to drop from planes. The last launch was a modified KN17 which is a mid range missile. There also hasn't been proper testing of a re-entry vehicle. I'd guess they are still a decade away from an ICBM that works with a re-entry vehicle. It took Russia and America ages to perfect these kinds of systems and they had limitless money and no restrictions. The most worrying thing about all this is the hype coming from both sides. Edited August 9, 2017 by Park Life Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34818 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 38 minutes ago, Renton said: He can see the moon with his own eyes. Still doesn't believe it's real. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13792 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Trump is desperate to obliterate something with a nuke before he eventually keels over/gets booted out. I mean, it's hard wired into most Americans anyway but you can tell that he's so insecure, that being the second President to make that call would be some validation. He's probably furious that he wouldn't be the first so he'll do a double drop, just so his atrocities can live on longer than the first time. "I nuked the world TWICE! The biggest loss of life in a single hour EVER. INCREDIBLE!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21263 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said: Trump is desperate to obliterate something with a nuke before he eventually keels over/gets booted out. I mean, it's hard wired into most Americans anyway but you can tell that he's so insecure, that being the second President to make that call would be some validation. He's probably furious that he wouldn't be the first so he'll do a double drop, just so his atrocities can live on longer than the first time. "I nuked the world TWICE! The biggest loss of life in a single hour EVER. INCREDIBLE!" That's scarily probably true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Renton said: So anyway, what's the deal with Seoul? Are they within artillery range of the N Korean border? Yeah, almost a stone throw. American military advisers admit that they can do little in the first 48 hours of a barrage. In that time Seoul would be flattened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5175 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 13 minutes ago, Ken said: Yeah, almost a stone throw. American military advisers admit that they can do little in the first 48 hours of a barrage. In that time Seoul would be flattened. Which makes a US led pre-emptive strike a logical course of action if war is considered to be becoming inevitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 There will be no 'war'. They are just jostling for positions before talks start on the future of the NK nuclear program. Kim will agree to limit it so is trying to advance it as much as possible first. NK want some sanctions lifted and other stuff. Only China is stopping the country from starving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken 119 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Just now, Rayvin said: Which makes a US led pre-emptive strike a logical course of action if war is considered to be becoming inevitable. NK is chest beating. All they want to assure themselves of is their sovereignty. There is no war unless the US kicks it off. If it kicks off SK will turn against America in the end and blame them for being destroyed. It assists in China's long term strategy of regional dominance 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 Yup they are only upping the ante to increase their bargaining position with reg to sovereignty and reduction of sanctions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21263 Posted August 9, 2017 Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) But sanctions and economic isolation aren't working. I doubt Kim gives a shit if half his population starves, it's clearly not affecting him. Meanwhile we know they have detonated 5 fission weapons and either have or on the verge of developing ICBMs that can reach continental America. Only a matter of time before they can miniaturise and mass produce nuclear warheads. Where is this leading? Clearly a war now would be preferable to one in a decade. As for Seoul, having read up on it now it appears unlikely the city would be raised to the ground in a war, although there would inevitably be mass casualties. I would expect S Korea to remain military and economic allies with the US rather than China. Edited August 9, 2017 by Renton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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