Kid Dynamite 7185 Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I think today showed perfectly why lampard should sit in the middle and let gerrard get forward and not vice versa. Lampard missed 4 or 5 decent chances and gerrard managed to bury his only half chance. I know Lampard scores plenty for chelsea but i rate gerrard above him as a player and think we would threaten a lot more with him playing further forward. ps. i know he scored, but leaving crouch on instead of owen again sven Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Lampard nullifed Gerrard today by hogging the forward runs. Sven needs to bite the bullet on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6787 Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Totally agree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimbo 175 Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Play one or the other, whilst Lampard was able to get forward and miss, Gerrard did very little apart from his cameo at the end, Sven needs to have the balls to drop one or the other and play Carrick instead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7185 Posted June 15, 2006 Author Share Posted June 15, 2006 there would be hell on if he did that though. If lampard was disciplined enough and held the midfield properly ive no doubt hed do a better job than carrick. hes a better passer and tackler IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckypierre 0 Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 (edited) Gerrard was the most involved out of all the midfield, as he was playing deep it was hard for him to make any impression but it was him who was keeping it ticking over. I agree with Jimbo , its one or the other and for me its Gerrard. Imo he just offers more at this level. Shame Beckham cant tackle/play a more defensive role cos it could solve two problems. Edited June 15, 2006 by luckypierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 Gol is strangely absent from this thread, he must agree but can't bring himself to say so tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj 17 Posted June 15, 2006 Share Posted June 15, 2006 I've stated all along it has to be Gerrard to play, i've always believed Lampard is firmly overrated and is nowhere near Gerrard's level, against the top teams Lampard struggles with the technical side of things as was evident against Barcelona Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4160 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Only one problem with playing Carrick, he is a liability Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tinofbeans 91 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 lampard needs to sit and perform the playmaking role. gerrard needs to take people on ( which he does for fun) and be the more forward thinking midfielder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hargreaves instead of Lampard *runs for cover* Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46141 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hargreaves instead of Lampard *runs for cover* 149502[/snapback] Played in his proper role I think that would work. The good thing about a Gerrard OR Lampard approach is that if Gerrard picks up a one-match ban, knock or whatever, you've got a fully fit Lampard to come in and replace him. As things stand if they both get booked in the next game we're facing the hideous prospect of Jenas v Ecuador/Germany. I'd definitely give one of them (Lampard) the night off against Sweden for that reason if nothing else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Whoever mentioned playing Beckham at RB and Lampard in the middle and Gerrard on the right was onto something. Not sure Beckham can do a job there against the best teams but if Sven is insisting on playing all 3 then perhaps Beckham could be the one sitting in front of the back four. I think Sven deserves some credit for the substitutions last night btw, although I can hardly believe I'm saying this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 The worst thing about England at the moment is that we are just totally out of ideas. Admitedly, on the hour mark yesterday, Sven did throw a wee bit of caution to the wind by hoying Lennon on, who along with Rooney managed to puch the Trinidadians back. But it until that point we were just bland, nowt going for us at all. Is annoying that Sven takes these other lads, Hargreaves, Jenas, Walcott, and he's never going to play them in a million years. Hargreaves is a talented footballer, he played with Ballack and was regularly the main man in that pair, but he'll never get a chance for England. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Whoever mentioned playing Beckham at RB and Lampard in the middle and Gerrard on the right was onto something. Not sure Beckham can do a job there against the best teams but if Sven is insisting on playing all 3 then perhaps Beckham could be the one sitting in front of the back four. I think Sven deserves some credit for the substitutions last night btw, although I can hardly believe I'm saying this. 149506[/snapback] Aye, fair play to the man, he went for it. Thought Downing did very canny when he came on, at least he managed to beat a man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4160 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckypierre 0 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 (edited) Whoever mentioned playing Beckham at RB and Lampard in the middle and Gerrard on the right was onto something. Not sure Beckham can do a job there against the best teams but if Sven is insisting on playing all 3 then perhaps Beckham could be the one sitting in front of the back four. I think Sven deserves some credit for the substitutions last night btw, although I can hardly believe I'm saying this. 149506[/snapback] Beckham should be nowhere near RB against any half decent team. I'd rather see us go 3 at the back, as a RWB his defensive deficiencies will be less of an issue. He's no good as a holding CM either, we've been there before. Edited June 16, 2006 by luckypierre Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Whoever mentioned playing Beckham at RB and Lampard in the middle and Gerrard on the right was onto something. Not sure Beckham can do a job there against the best teams but if Sven is insisting on playing all 3 then perhaps Beckham could be the one sitting in front of the back four. I think Sven deserves some credit for the substitutions last night btw, although I can hardly believe I'm saying this. 149506[/snapback] Beckham should be nowhere near RB against any half decent team. I'd rather see us go 3 at the back, as a RWB his defensive deficiencies will be less of an issue. He's no good as a holding CM either, we've been there before. 149523[/snapback] Lampard needs dropping. Against weaker teams we can start 352. Too much caution. Show the lads you beleive in them Sven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4160 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hargreaves instead of Lampard *runs for cover* 149502[/snapback] I think that is probably the best solution. Lampard and Gerard can work, they both played when we beat Germany 5-1 but Lampard plainly isnt playing well, and is also stopping Gerard from performing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rikko 20 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hargreaves instead of Lampard *runs for cover* 149502[/snapback] I think that is probably the best solution. Lampard and Gerard can work, they both played when we beat Germany 5-1 but Lampard plainly isnt playing well, and is also stopping Gerard from performing 149540[/snapback] Think thats a good shout aswell. Hargreaves imo, sured England up aginst paraguay when he came on. He plays DM for bayern aswell, better shout in the spot then carrick aswell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hargreaves instead of Lampard *runs for cover* 149502[/snapback] I think that is probably the best solution. Lampard and Gerard can work, they both played when we beat Germany 5-1 but Lampard plainly isnt playing well, and is also stopping Gerard from performing 149540[/snapback] Agreed. But will Sven have the balls? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alex Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 Whoever mentioned playing Beckham at RB and Lampard in the middle and Gerrard on the right was onto something. Not sure Beckham can do a job there against the best teams but if Sven is insisting on playing all 3 then perhaps Beckham could be the one sitting in front of the back four. I think Sven deserves some credit for the substitutions last night btw, although I can hardly believe I'm saying this. 149506[/snapback] Beckham should be nowhere near RB against any half decent team. I'd rather see us go 3 at the back, as a RWB his defensive deficiencies will be less of an issue. He's no good as a holding CM either, we've been there before. 149523[/snapback] I wouldn't really disagree, it's just Sven will insist on playing all 3 of them and will not go to 3 at the back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7185 Posted June 16, 2006 Author Share Posted June 16, 2006 has anyone actually seen him play for england? he struggles to pass the ball to his own player never mind hold the entire fucking midfield! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46141 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 I don't even think it's a question of him having the balls anymore tbh, as listening to the pundits and the phone-ins most people recognise that one or the other needs to be dropped. I just think he's got his favourites and can't/doesn't want to see that it isn't working Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordieshandy 0 Posted June 16, 2006 Share Posted June 16, 2006 And he certainly won't budge due to public pressure since it's his last few games in the job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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