FAPL deny Roeder

[Scottish Mag 3]

Of course, if we keep appointing trophy winning managers, there must be something else at the club which is preventing our success. And I don't mean a Gypsy curse.

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Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead.

 

Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd.

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My problem in all this isn't so much the appointment of Roeder. It's the way we're having to go about it, and the nagging feeling that it's all just a prelude to the Alan Shearer Show. It's definitely been a missed opportunity but I don't buy all this business about how Roeder's a crap manager.

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Not crap, just average. Don't be fooled by his short reign as care taker. As has been pointed out many times, how many other premiership clubs would hire him as manager? The Shearer thing also is beginning to concern me. Of course, if true, this is entirely Shepherd's fault.

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It cannot be Shepherds fault tbh.

 

Under him we are 5th best team in the last 10 years etc etc...

[Guest alex]

Why doesn't Roeder just do the course? If it's too late to do it this summer, why wasn't he booked on it earlier just in case? When he got the job he wasn't even going to be allowed to take charge for the last two games until commonsense prevailed. That was obviously a temporary dispensation after all.

[Renton 22008]

Why doesn't Roeder just do the course? If it's too late to do it this summer, why wasn't he booked on it earlier just in case? When he got the job he wasn't even going to be allowed to take charge for the last two games until commonsense prevailed. That was obviously a temporary dispensation after all.

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It takes a year apparently.

[Gemmill 46088]

Aye it takes a year and the next intake is in June. Get with the programme, Alex!

[Renton 22008]

Another wierd thing. I could have sworn Roeder said he was only one day away from completing the course a few weeks ago. Why the need to lie?

[Gemmill 46088]

Another wierd thing. I could have sworn Roeder said he was only one day away from completing the course a few weeks ago. Why the need to lie?

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I don't think he's lying. They've told him that there is no such thing as a top-up or refresher. If you don't complete it you have to start again. Even the brain tumour argument wouldn't work there.

[Renton 22008]

Another wierd thing. I could have sworn Roeder said he was only one day away from completing the course a few weeks ago. Why the need to lie?

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I don't think he's lying. They've told him that there is no such thing as a top-up or refresher. If you don't complete it you have to start again. Even the brain tumour argument wouldn't work there.

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I see, fair enough.

[ewerk 31225]

Of course, if we keep appointing trophy winning managers, there must be something else at the club which is preventing our success. And I don't mean a Gypsy curse.

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Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead.

 

Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd.

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Don't forget leading Gillingham to second bottom of the Football League, only avoid relegation to the Conference on the last day of the season. And of course getting West Ham relegated. The man's CV does not stand up to any form of scrutiny.

[LeazesMag 0]

Of course, if we keep appointing trophy winning managers, there must be something else at the club which is preventing our success. And I don't mean a Gypsy curse.

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Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead.

 

Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd.

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learn to read posts properly Renton ! I clearly say the truth about Roeder is somewhere in between the two goalposts. Although the fact that here we have a board that won't make him sell players to pay for a ground or keep the club solvent, as the shit board we did in the past did, will obviously be more of a help than a hindrance. That post is obviously and deservedly aimed at those who make more u turns than driving instructors.

 

Anyway, have a look at this, which I posted out of sheer curiosity, as I'm as undecided as anybody

 

http://boards.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=8...toid=2122955402

[Gemmill 46088]

Leazes, will you or will you not concede that a) we have created a farcical situation for ourselves b ) better candidates for the job have either not been approached or we couldn't sufficiently interest them and c) that this all looks horribly like a precursor to the main event which is Shearer taking over?

 

All of which is an indictment on Shepherd. You are allowed to say that he appears to be ballsing this one up you know. Because that's what he's doing.

Edited May 5, 2006 by Gemmill

[Renton 22008]

Of course, if we keep appointing trophy winning managers, there must be something else at the club which is preventing our success. And I don't mean a Gypsy curse.

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Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead.

 

Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd.

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learn to read posts properly Renton ! I clearly say the truth about Roeder is somewhere in between the two goalposts. Although the fact that here we have a board that won't make him sell players to pay for a ground or keep the club solvent, as the shit board we did in the past did, will obviously be more of a help than a hindrance. That post is obviously and deservedly aimed at those who make more u turns than driving instructors.

 

Anyway, have a look at this, which I posted out of sheer curiosity, as I'm as undecided as anybody

 

http://boards.rivals.net/default.asp?sid=8...toid=2122955402

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This quote stands out and is the impression I have of the man:

 

Conclusion? As long as you're winning, he's GOLD. Lose a few and the basket case beckons.

 

I think we have to recognise his CV doesn't bear scrutiny. I can see nothing but another wasted year with him. Hope I'm wrong.

[Renton 22008]

Leazes, will you or will you not concede that a) we have created a farcical situation for ourselves b ) better candidates for the job have either not been approached or we couldn't sufficiently interest them and c) that this all looks horribly like a precursor to the main event which is Shearer taking over?

 

All of which is an indictment on Shepherd.  You are allowed to say that he appears to be ballsing this one up you know.  Because that's what he's doing.

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I think there is evidence a lot of managers simply won't work for Shepherd, rightly or wrongly. He does himself no favours in the press either.

[LeazesMag 0]

Leazes, will you or will you not concede that a) we have created a farcical situation for ourselves b ) better candidates for the job have either not been approached or we couldn't sufficiently interest them and c) that this all looks horribly like a precursor to the main event which is Shearer taking over?

 

All of which is an indictment on Shepherd.  You are allowed to say that he appears to be ballsing this one up you know.  Because that's what he's doing.

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You are presuming things which may not be true. The only thing we know is that the board decided on appointing Roeder and have been refused dispensation for him not completeing his required badges. That is all.

 

We could bring Dalglish back if you want a CV manager ? He is better qualified than almost all of the current candidates, and certainly has a CV in the same level as Hitzfeld and Hiddink, having won the big trophies.

 

At the moment nobody knows. What will you say if Roeder goes somewhere else and is successful ? You will complain that we didn't give more thought to the potential of someone who finished 7th in the league with a crappy little selling club like West Ham, rather than focus on the fact the next season the man almost almost died.

 

And - believe me. We are far from being a joke, this is nothing other than a figment of your imaginations. The vast majority of other clubs fans would swap places with us anytime and have the last decade we have had.

 

I am not happy with keeping the seat warm for Shearer, but we have been down the other route as detailed above, and you have criticised it, so why are you so desperate to insist we MUST stay on this route ?

Edited May 5, 2006 by LeazesMag

[Guest alex]

One good season does not make a good manager

[LeazesMag 0]

Should we get Redknapp then on the basis he had an even higher finish with West Ham?

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I don't know about Roeder. I'll support him though. Redknapp is a spiv cunt.

[Guest alex]

Should we get Redknapp then on the basis he had an even higher finish with West Ham?

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I don't know about Roeder. I'll support him though. Redknapp is a spiv cunt.

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Used car salesman

[Renton 22008]

Leazes, will you or will you not concede that a) we have created a farcical situation for ourselves b ) better candidates for the job have either not been approached or we couldn't sufficiently interest them and c) that this all looks horribly like a precursor to the main event which is Shearer taking over?

 

All of which is an indictment on Shepherd.  You are allowed to say that he appears to be ballsing this one up you know.  Because that's what he's doing.

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You are presuming things which may not be true. The only thing we know is that the board decided on appointing Roeder and have been refused dispensation for him not completeing his required badges. That is all.

 

We could bring Dalglish back if you want a CV manager ? He is better qualified than almost all of the current candidates, and certainly has a CV in the same level as Hitzfeld and Hiddink, having won the big trophies.

 

At the moment nobody knows. What will you say if Roeder goes somewhere else and is successful ? You will complain that we didn't give more thought to the potential of someone who finished 7th in the league with a crappy little selling club like West Ham, rather than focus on the fact the next season the man almost almost died.

 

And - believe me. We are far from being a joke, this is nothing other than a figment of your imaginations. The vast majority of other clubs fans would swap places with us anytime and have the last decade we have had.

 

I am not happy with keeping the seat warm for Shearer, but we have been down the other route as detailed above, and you have criticised it, so why are you so desperate to insist we MUST stay on this route ?

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When we criticised Souness, Leazes, we looked at all the clubs he managed, which he left a mess, apart from Rangers. Why do you not recognise the poor job he did at Gillingham and Watford? How about the fact he has been sacked from all his appointments, and been involved in two relegations? The fact he has presided over many more losses than wins, at all levels? It's not often managers can improve dramatically.

 

Yes, I want another "CV" manager, at any cost. The fact that Dalglish failed does not mean another inevitably will.

[Renton 22008]

Should we get Redknapp then on the basis he had an even higher finish with West Ham?

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I don't know about Roeder. I'll support him though. Redknapp is a spiv cunt.

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Used car salesman

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Someone on that West Ham board described Roeder as looking like Kevin the gerbil.

[Guest alex]

Thing is with Roeder, he's done well so far and he may well do ok for us. I hope he does, obviously. My problem is that the whole affair smacks of our having a lazy, slapdash approach to the appointment process. I see it as being along the lines of: Going for O'Neill, him not taking the job for whatever reason, opting for Roeder because he's done a canny job. I really don't see him being the long-term answer though and I doubt if many of us do either.

[Renton 22008]

Now that England is out the way, what is stopping us getting O'Neill? Shepherd himself is the only plausible explanation.

[Gemmill 46088]

You are presuming things which may not be true. The only thing we know is that the board decided on appointing Roeder and have been refused dispensation for him not completeing his required badges. That is all.

 

If Roeder was first choice then the board have proven themselves incompetent by not considering other options. If Roeder wasn't first choice and the spoke with others and were unable to convince them to join then they have proven themselves incompetent. However you look at this scenario they don't come out looking very clever.

 

We could bring Dalglish back if you want a CV manager ? He is better qualified than almost all of the current candidates, and certainly has a CV in the same level as Hitzfeld and Hiddink, having won the big trophies.

 

Why do you keep wittering on about Dalglish? As it was another failure overseen by your man Shepherd I'd have thought you'd want to keep that one quiet tbh.

 

At the moment nobody knows. What will you say if Roeder goes somewhere else and is successful ? You will complain that we didn't give more thought to the potential of someone who finished 7th in the league with a crappy little selling club like West Ham, rather than focus on the fact the next season the man almost almost died.

 

I've said on numerous occasions that my problem is not with the appointment of Roeder, and that I don't buy that he's a poor manager. I think he knows what he's doing, but I also find it incredible that we haven't spoken to a number of other people. In fact I think we probably have spoken to at least O'Neill and somehow managed to cock it up.

 

And - believe me. We are far from being a joke, this is nothing other than a figment of your imaginations. The vast majority of other clubs fans would swap places with us anytime and have the last decade we have had.

 

There you go again with your harking back to the last decade. The main success we have had with Shepherd as chairman came during Bobby Robson's time as manager. I've said before and I stand by it - Shepherd gets little credit for that appointment. Robson couldn't have been the more obvious choice if he came with blinking fairy lights spelling out "The Obvious Choice" to the interview.

 

What about now? You can't see it for some reason, but Freddy Shepherd is a joke. Talk to fans from other clubs man! He's like a comedy figure.

 

I am not happy with keeping the seat warm for Shearer, but we have been down the other route as detailed above, and you have criticised it, so why are you so desperate to insist we MUST stay on this route ?

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I dunno what you're on about here. What route am I saying we should stay on?

[Gemmill 46088]

Now that England is out the way, what is stopping us getting O'Neill? Shepherd himself is the only plausible explanation.

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Exactly. Shepherd, and quite possibly (probably) his lack of desire for a long term manager because of his fixation with Shearer. He doesn't want someone to come along and try to build a dynasty or someone with anything even vaguely resembling a long term plan (which is what any manager worth his salt will want to do) because it interferes with his plans for appointing Shearer.

[LeazesMag 0]

Now that England is out the way, what is stopping us getting O'Neill? Shepherd himself is the only plausible explanation.

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Exactly. Shepherd, and quite possibly (probably) his lack of desire for a long term manager because of his fixation with Shearer. He doesn't want someone to come along and try to build a dynasty or someone with anything even vaguely resembling a long term plan (which is what any manager worth his salt will want to do) because it interferes with his plans for appointing Shearer.

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maybe he [correctly] isn't convinced by the merits of winning the joke league and being good in front of a camera, or his committment to the job because of his wifes health ?

[Renton 22008]

Now that England is out the way, what is stopping us getting O'Neill? Shepherd himself is the only plausible explanation.

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Exactly. Shepherd, and quite possibly (probably) his lack of desire for a long term manager because of his fixation with Shearer. He doesn't want someone to come along and try to build a dynasty or someone with anything even vaguely resembling a long term plan (which is what any manager worth his salt will want to do) because it interferes with his plans for appointing Shearer.

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maybe he [correctly] isn't convinced by the merits of winning the joke league and being good in front of a camera, or his committment to the job because of his wifes health ?

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I can see you're not convinced by O'Neill (I am mind), but what about other managers? Surely, as you say, the fifth biggest club in the premiership (or the 8th in the world if you believe Shepherd) needs a better manager than Roeder? Take a step back, we are talking about GLENN ROEDER!

 

I'll tell you one thing though. If O'Neill does head to Sunderland as part of this consortium I predict they will be more successful than us in the space of 5 years. You are fond of reminding us how cyclical football can be.

[Guest alex]

Now that England is out the way, what is stopping us getting O'Neill? Shepherd himself is the only plausible explanation.

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Exactly. Shepherd, and quite possibly (probably) his lack of desire for a long term manager because of his fixation with Shearer. He doesn't want someone to come along and try to build a dynasty or someone with anything even vaguely resembling a long term plan (which is what any manager worth his salt will want to do) because it interferes with his plans for appointing Shearer.

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maybe he [correctly] isn't convinced by the merits of winning the joke league and being good in front of a camera, or his committment to the job because of his wifes health ?

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Maybe he offered O'Neill the job and he turned us down.