FAPL deny Roeder

[snakehips 0]

The clubs voting at the forthcoming AGM, on the changes to the rules to enable Roeder to take the manager's job at SJP, is a vote to change the rule structure, NOT an isolated case of 'shall we let Roeder do it' .

 

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Why do you think this? As far as I gathered the request would have been for special dispensation not a change in the rules.

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Nah, I've read the same somewhere as well. The vote would be over a change in the FAPL rules. I still don't see where that would leave us in UEFA-governed competitions though.

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You must have read the same article I have, Gemm. I can't remember where it was though.

 

The Howard Wilkinson article (on this board) points to this process of changing the rules as a potential disaster as far as getting the decision in our (or Freddies)favour.

[ewerk 31225]

The vote would be over a change in the FAPL rules.  I still don't see where that would leave us in UEFA-governed competitions though.

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We might be able to sway the PL but I very much doubt UEFA will change their minds. From what I've read it is a mandatory requirement for the CL but I don't see any mention of the UEFA Cup and given the amount of small clubs in the competition it may be that managers in it do not need the licence yet.

[Gemmill 46088]

According to some of the papers today, faxes were sent out last night to the 19 other Premiership clubs and this is going to an "unofficial vote" straight away. Which would at least mean we won't have to wait until June for resolution on the matter.

 

It makes sense that they'd want to sort it sooner rather than later, and I'm sure Newcastle would have pushed for this.

[geordieshandy 0]

Did anyone see Soccernight last night, with Bez claiming that the chairmen would see sense and allow Roeder to have it, "because he's by far the best man for the job"

 

Plus the sunlun job was the perfect job for O'Neill.

[Shearergol 0]

If Roeder has been offered the managers job, are we not having a new management structure? So no DOF coming in then?

[Gemmill 46088]

If Roeder has been offered the managers job, are we not having a new management structure? So no DOF coming in then?

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I reckon the "new structure" that was being bandied about was just Shepherd's cunning plan to get round the rules.

[ewerk 31225]

I think Shepherd should have a "new structure" forcibly inserted up his anus.

[Scottish Mag 3]

According to some of the papers today, faxes were sent out last night to the 19 other Premiership clubs and this is going to an "unofficial vote" straight away. 

 

 

 

SSN said earlier it would be next month..

[geordieshandy 0]

I think Shepherd should have a "new structure" forcibly inserted up his anus.

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I think it should be a rusty old one

[snakehips 0]

I think Shepherd should have a "new structure" forcibly inserted up his anus.

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I think it should be a rusty old one

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Stick the Angel of the North up the Clown of the North's backside.

[Gemmill 46088]

According to some of the papers today, faxes were sent out last night to the 19 other Premiership clubs and this is going to an "unofficial vote" straight away. 

 

 

 

SSN said earlier it would be next month..

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Aye cos that's when the AGM is. But it's still possible and feasible that they might want it sorted sooner. It's better for all concerned tbh.

[LeazesMag 0]

As there's a few of you on here read this, which of you is telling porkies

 

http://football.guardian.co.uk/poll/0,,1767702,00.html

[Guest alex]

Everyone who disagrees with you in a non-football debate does. In much the same way that anyone who criticises Shepherd started supporting the club around 1994.

[Renton 22008]

As there's a few of you on here read this, which of you is telling porkies

 

http://football.guardian.co.uk/poll/0,,1767702,00.html

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Sorry, what does that online poll, which incidentally is linked to the SMB and God knows what else, prove?

 

When Oliver claimed 90% of the fans were backing Roeder, he didn't state which fans, did he?

 

So Leazes, are you happy with this fiasco?

[Gemmill 46088]

As there's a few of you on here read this, which of you is telling porkies

 

http://football.guardian.co.uk/poll/0,,1767702,00.html

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Sorry, what does that online poll, which incidentally is linked to the SMB and God knows what else, prove?

 

When Oliver claimed 90% of the fans were backing Roeder, he didn't state which fans, did he?

 

So Leazes, are you happy with this fiasco?

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Wullie asked him this on N-O later. I'll save him the trouble of copying and pasting his response by doing it for him. The usual, tbh.

 

I think its absolutely hilarious that some people on here instantly dismiss a report in the Sun as "shite" if it suits you to do so, then go on like this when it also suits you

 

I think its hilarious you are rebuffing the idea that comparing Roeder is comparable to Alex Ferguson when so many of you were comparing Souness to Alex Ferguson "for getting rid of bad eggs".

 

I think its absolutely hilarious that so many of you think a worthless piece of paper tells you the ability of a football manager, if we got the dispensation.

 

I think its absolutely hilarious so many of you think we can't appoint top managers when our last 4 have all been trophy winners, including one who had won 4 league titles, 2 FA Cups and 3 manager of the year awards.

 

I think its hilarious that so many of you are having a go at the board for appointing managers without judging their character and suitability for the job then when they appear to be considering and offering the job to someone where they have done exactly that you are referring back to the CV and not considering the possible fact he knows about the club and what the job entails more than 3 or our last 4 appointments.

 

Personally, I don't know if he is the man or not [we could do better but we could almost definitely do worse too] but you will all look daft is he is in the end ! I think you should look at the potential of a manager of a club that he got to 7th despite being a selling club [like we were for 30 years before the Halls and Shepherd] rather than just the following season when he had health problems. Do any of you think that having serious life threatening health problems may be a slight problem here ..... as always the truth about Roeder is probably somewhere in the middle, however I suggest working for a proper board at a proper football club like us he will not have players sold above his head like happens at West Ham.

 

As usual I expect nobody will answer these points, the same as no one can disprove the fact that we have been the 5th best club in the country in the past decade, appointed trophy winning managers, bought major England players, reached 2 Cup Finals, qualified for europe 7 times - 3 in the Champions League, all these points proven by the factual league positions I put up to show you all what a shit board really is. Instead preferring to believe a genie is going to drop in somewhere and automatically do better than Arsenal and Liverpool and win us the cups we have a divine right to win, having 52,000 fans and always having had 52,000 fans and always will get 52,000 fans.

[Guest alex]

Of course, if we keep appointing trophy winning managers, there must be something else at the club which is preventing our success. And I don't mean a Gypsy curse.

[geordieshandy 0]

Of course, if we keep appointing trophy winning managers, there must be something else at the club which is preventing our success. And I don't mean a Gypsy curse.

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You don't mean.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

an ancient injun burial ground??

[Gemmill 46088]

Anal's latest drivel:

 

Newcastle United are confident they will get the backing of fellow Premiership clubs to install Glenn Roeder as their permanent manager.

 

But Freddy Shepherd refused to discuss the managerial situation today insisting that Roeder be allowed to concentrate on Sunday's crucial match with Chelsea at St James' Park.

 

Shepherd broke off from lobbying his fellow Premiership chairman to tell me: "Sunday is such a vital game for us because we know that if we beat Chelsea it will open a route for us back into Europe.

 

"Obviously we want to be back in Europe for a lot of reasons, none more so than for the sake of our fans, and we have to thank Glenn Roeder and the players for giving us the chance to do that.

 

"As a result we will not be making any comment on our managerial situation because we want to leave Glenn and the players to stay focussed on Sunday."

 

United feel that they have been fairly treated by the Premier League who have effectively left it to their clubs to decide whether United can make Roeder their permanent manager.

 

But they are less impressed by the League Managers Association and their chairman Howard Wilkinson who have continue to oppose Roeder's appointment.

 

Wilkinson seems to forget that the reason he is remembered in the North East was that he was sacked after failing miserably as manager of Sunderland.

 

And former United striker Mickey Quinn had harsh words on national radio this morning for Sam Allardyce, another leading light in the LMA.

 

Allardyce, who made it known that he would love the job at St James' Park as well as England - he isn't getting either - said last week that Roeder should not be allowed to manage United because he did not have the Pro- Licence.

 

But Quinn said today: "I think Big Sam's comments about Roeder are sour grapes."

 

When Roeder took over from the sacked Graeme Souness at the beginning of February, United were 11 points behind Allardyce's Bolton.

 

But if United match Bolton's result against Birmingham City at the Reebok Stadium in their match with Chelsea then they will pip the Lancashire outfit for seventh place in the Premiership and the InterToto Cup place which goes with it.

 

The Chronicle revealed on Wednesday night that United had asked the Premier League for special dispensation in extenuating circumstancves to be allowed to install Roeder as manager.

 

Part of those extenuating circumstances are that Roeder was struck down with a brain tumour when he was actually on Premier League duty with West Ham.

 

And Shepherd, who is well liked by his fellow Premier League chairman, must know that they will not want any fingers pointed at them as the people who stopped Roeder from doing the job United want him to after the way their former skipper has rebuilt his life after recovering from such a blow.

 

There is talk that the Premier League have actually recommended to their clubs that they should support United but no-one would say today whether this is the case or not.

 

However, United remain confident that they will get the two-thirds majority they need from the Premier League chairmen to make Roeder their new manager.

 

Re the bit in bold, may as well dress Roeder in Oliver Twist rags and have him turn up at each Premiership club with an empty bowl tbh. I'm sure Roeder himself would be disgusted with Oliver for trying that line on.

[Guest alex]

I'd love to know how the bloke who won so many league titles, i.e. Daglish would compare working with the Liverpool board, then Jack Walker as opposed to working with Shepherd.

[Guest alex]

Re the bit in bold, may as well dress Roeder in Oliver Twist rags and have him turn up at each Premiership club with an empty bowl tbh.  I'm sure Roeder himself would be disgusted with Oliver for trying that line on.

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I didn't realise we were hoping for a dispensation on medical grounds.

[Renton 22008]

Of course, if we keep appointing trophy winning managers, there must be something else at the club which is preventing our success. And I don't mean a Gypsy curse.

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Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead.

 

Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd.

[Gemmill 46088]

Re the bit in bold, may as well dress Roeder in Oliver Twist rags and have him turn up at each Premiership club with an empty bowl tbh.  I'm sure Roeder himself would be disgusted with Oliver for trying that line on.

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I didn't realise we were hoping for a dispensation on medical grounds.

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Why stop there with the rule changes though? 10 point headstart for any manager who once had a brain tumour. Jesus wept man!

[Gemmill 46088]

Of course, if we keep appointing trophy winning managers, there must be something else at the club which is preventing our success. And I don't mean a Gypsy curse.

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Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead.

 

Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd.

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My problem in all this isn't so much the appointment of Roeder. It's the way we're having to go about it, and the nagging feeling that it's all just a prelude to the Alan Shearer Show. It's definitely been a missed opportunity but I don't buy all this business about how Roeder's a crap manager.

[Bombadil 0]

Re the bit in bold, may as well dress Roeder in Oliver Twist rags and have him turn up at each Premiership club with an empty bowl tbh.  I'm sure Roeder himself would be disgusted with Oliver for trying that line on.

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I didn't realise we were hoping for a dispensation on medical grounds.

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Why stop there with the rule changes though? 10 point headstart for any manager who once had a brain tumour. Jesus wept man!

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[Renton 22008]

Of course, if we keep appointing trophy winning managers, there must be something else at the club which is preventing our success. And I don't mean a Gypsy curse.

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Well, obviously trophy winning managers don't work at our club. Let's try someone who has achieved fuck all instead.

 

Incidentally, I notice Leazes doesn't mention Gillingham or Watford, where he hardly shined. In fact, iirc he got Watford relegated. Funny also how he used the poor managerial CV of Souness to condemn him before he kicked a ball (ars imo), but refuses to do the same for Roeder because he comes across as a nice bloke, and anyway, that would be criticising Shepherd.

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My problem in all this isn't so much the appointment of Roeder. It's the way we're having to go about it, and the nagging feeling that it's all just a prelude to the Alan Shearer Show. It's definitely been a missed opportunity but I don't buy all this business about how Roeder's a crap manager.

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Not crap, just average. Don't be fooled by his short reign as care taker. As has been pointed out many times, how many other premiership clubs would hire him as manager? The Shearer thing also is beginning to concern me. Of course, if true, this is entirely Shepherd's fault.