Scottish Mag 3 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Newcastle United have handed their young French midfielder Charles N'Zogbia a new and improved three-year contract. And this will kill off any hopes Arsene Wenger had of trying to lure the 19-year-old N'Zogbia to join his French foreign legion at Highbury. The Chronicle revealed on Saturday that Arsenal were casting their eyes in the direction of N'Zogbia but that United would do all they could to keep the player who started off in the reserves this season but who has developed into such an exciting prospect. And chairman Freddy Shepherd told me today: "We could not rate Charles any higher than we do, and regardless of anything else it was always our intention to tie him down to a longer and improved contract. "We have a lot of good young players at St James' Park and it is our intention to keep them." N'Zogbia (pictured right) was one of the last signings Sir Bobby Robson and his chief scout Charlie Woods made and it is ironic that at a fee of only £250,000 which United had to pay Le Havre, he could turn out to be one of the best." He was disappointing at St Andrew's in Saturday's 0-0 draw as a part of an ineffective midfield. But he is likely to be back out wide on Sunday when Emre finally returns to the United side for the final game of the season against Chelsea at St James' Park after missing the last four games with a groin injury. United could have done with the Turkish midfielder at Birmingham and Glenn Roeder could only watch in disbelief when he pulled up in training on Friday morning. The United boss said: "Emre had actually finished his training on Friday and was doing his stretching exercises when he pulled up and we knew straight away that something was wrong. "He said he did not feel 100% and it is no good in the Premiership sending anyone out who is not 100%. "But we expect him to be ready for Chelsea on Sunday." Roeder is actually refusing to rule Michael Owen out of Sunday's game until he sees how things go with the England striker this week. Owen said he felt a "dull pain" in his foot after his half-hour stint at St Andrew's. But United were quick to tell the football world through their official website that, after an X-ray yesterday morning, the news on Owen was positive. And that Owen's specialist had told him it was quite normal to experience a certain level of pain in the first couple of games playing after an injury of this kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sima Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Why does Oliver keep using the word ironic? Does he even know what the meaning is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil 0 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Why does Oliver keep using the word ironic? Does he even know what the meaning is? 130141[/snapback] More magic from Oliver in today's Chronicle: "To be fair, United probably did not deserve the win which would have kept their European hopes alive and, as a result, those hopes are now hanging by the proverbial knife edge." "Hanging by the proverbial knife edge"? Get your proverbs in order, you sad excuse of a journalist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Why does Oliver keep using the word ironic? Does he even know what the meaning is? 130141[/snapback] More magic from Oliver in today's Chronicle: "To be fair, United probably did not deserve the win which would have kept their European hopes alive and, as a result, those hopes are now hanging by the proverbial knife edge." "Hanging by the proverbial knife edge"? Get your proverbs in order, you sad excuse of a journalist. 130155[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Its not ironic its just coincidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Has the Zog signed this new contract then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Thats the way to run a club, reward the players for good performance. Well done Fred. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bombadil 0 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Thats the way to run a club, reward the players for good performance. Well done Fred. 130259[/snapback] So Shepherd gets the praise for this one, but Souness gets the blame for Dyer's ridiculous new contract back in August? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom 14013 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Whats Charlie on? Whats Dyers contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Shearer Is God 0 Posted May 1, 2006 Share Posted May 1, 2006 Doesnt the chairman sanction what wages the players get? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) Thats the way to run a club, reward the players for good performance. Well done Fred. 130259[/snapback] So Shepherd gets the praise for this one, but Souness gets the blame for Dyer's ridiculous new contract back in August? 130267[/snapback] you have so little idea you can't even tell when someone is taking the piss .. EDIT. In actual fact, some people deserve all the scorn they get. I think its absolutely amazing that you STILL think that the chairman decides who to sell and keep when he has a manager on his staff that he is paying millions of pounds to, to run the playing side of the club ... What world do you and others like you come from ? Edited May 2, 2006 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Doesnt the chairman sanction what wages the players get? 130290[/snapback] I think the good chairmen backs their managers recommendations, providing the club can afford it like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46023 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Thats the way to run a club, reward the players for good performance. Well done Fred. 130259[/snapback] So Shepherd gets the praise for this one, but Souness gets the blame for Dyer's ridiculous new contract back in August? 130267[/snapback] you have so little idea you can't even tell when someone is taking the piss .. EDIT. In actual fact, some people deserve all the scorn they get. I think its absolutely amazing that you STILL think that the chairman decides who to sell and keep when he has a manager on his staff that he is paying millions of pounds to, to run the playing side of the club ... What world do you and others like you come from ? 130316[/snapback] Do you really think it's the manager that tells the chairman what wage to pay a player that's already at the club, and the chairman just does his bidding? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46023 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Has the Zog signed this new contract then? 130176[/snapback] Doesn't sound like it. "Offered" and "handed" are the only things I've seen so far. Let's just hope that a) he isn't poorly advised like Bernard was and he wants to stay himself. Having said that, if the Arsenal story is true and his agent advises him to go, you'd have to say it would be good advice unfortunately. Let's hope he signs the contract anyway - it would have made much more sense for Shepherd to go to the media when the contract was signed by the way. Announcing that you've offered someone a new contract is completely daft and is only going to alert potential suitors that now's the time to make your move. You generally only see that sort of stuff when there is a dispute and the chairman wants to make it clear that it's not the club that's stalling. Still, at least Freddy got to see his name in the paper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) Thats the way to run a club, reward the players for good performance. Well done Fred. 130259[/snapback] So Shepherd gets the praise for this one, but Souness gets the blame for Dyer's ridiculous new contract back in August? 130267[/snapback] you have so little idea you can't even tell when someone is taking the piss .. EDIT. In actual fact, some people deserve all the scorn they get. I think its absolutely amazing that you STILL think that the chairman decides who to sell and keep when he has a manager on his staff that he is paying millions of pounds to, to run the playing side of the club ... What world do you and others like you come from ? 130316[/snapback] Do you really think it's the manager that tells the chairman what wage to pay a player that's already at the club, and the chairman just does his bidding? 130326[/snapback] said many times Gem "if the club can afford it". If the manager wants to keep the player, the chairman will decide if he can afford to keep him and so negotiate with his agent ..... I would say if someone else offered Dyer 70 grand a week, or even if his contract was just being re-negotiated, the chairman would then say to his manager "do you still want him, how much do you want him, should we go higher", or he would say "we can't afford to go higher, you're going to have to lose him" Thats the way it works. I'm not taking the piss, but I thought most people understood that. Edited May 2, 2006 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46023 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 said many times Gem "if the club can afford it". If the manager wants to keep the player, the chairman will decide if he can afford to keep him and so negotiate with his agent ..... I would say if someone else offered Dyer 70 grand a week the chairman would then say to his manager "do you still want him should we go higher", or he would say "we can't afford to go higher, you're going to have to lose him" Thats the way it works. I'm not taking the piss, but I thought most people understood that. 130380[/snapback] I'm sure there are discussions like that in the event that you're forced into a position where you're approaching your limit on your budget. Do you think someone had offered Dyer 70k a week like? I don't, but tbh, if they had we should have just got rid rather than tried to beat that wage offer. The Chairman is the one in charge of the purse strings at the end of the day, and if the Manager says to pay a player who rarely plays £80k a week, as much as I like that Shepherd backs his managers with cash, there has to be a time when Shepherd turns round and says "Are you MENTAL??!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) said many times Gem "if the club can afford it". If the manager wants to keep the player, the chairman will decide if he can afford to keep him and so negotiate with his agent ..... I would say if someone else offered Dyer 70 grand a week the chairman would then say to his manager "do you still want him should we go higher", or he would say "we can't afford to go higher, you're going to have to lose him" Thats the way it works. I'm not taking the piss, but I thought most people understood that. 130380[/snapback] I'm sure there are discussions like that in the event that you're forced into a position where you're approaching your limit on your budget. Do you think someone had offered Dyer 70k a week like? I don't, but tbh, if they had we should have just got rid rather than tried to beat that wage offer. The Chairman is the one in charge of the purse strings at the end of the day, and if the Manager says to pay a player who rarely plays £80k a week, as much as I like that Shepherd backs his managers with cash, there has to be a time when Shepherd turns round and says "Are you MENTAL??!" 130383[/snapback] Slightly edited to make it more clear .... but its a double edged sword. The Chairman maybe isn't happy at 80k , but if he doesn't back his manager he's undermining him. Now plenty of people would slate him for that. On the other hand he's slated for giving him a contract ... !!! This is how the system works though, but whichever way you look at it, its the manager who was wrong for recommending that this player was worth handing an extended improved contract to, if HE hadn't done that, we have to run the risk of losing him for nothing, getting a reduced fee, saving on his pay packet....then what if the little shitebag all of a sudden goes through a season or two without being hurt ... and plays his knackers out ? I hate Dyer almost as much as Souness, but that scenario is possible. There's no easy decision. Mine would have been to recommend letting him go or trying to offload, and take our chances on his future fitness. As it happens now, he is seeing Richard Steadman in the summer, if he doesn't solve his problems, stand by for the insurance pay out IMO. Edited May 2, 2006 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 said many times Gem "if the club can afford it". If the manager wants to keep the player, the chairman will decide if he can afford to keep him and so negotiate with his agent ..... I would say if someone else offered Dyer 70 grand a week the chairman would then say to his manager "do you still want him should we go higher", or he would say "we can't afford to go higher, you're going to have to lose him" Thats the way it works. I'm not taking the piss, but I thought most people understood that. 130380[/snapback] I'm sure there are discussions like that in the event that you're forced into a position where you're approaching your limit on your budget. Do you think someone had offered Dyer 70k a week like? I don't, but tbh, if they had we should have just got rid rather than tried to beat that wage offer. The Chairman is the one in charge of the purse strings at the end of the day, and if the Manager says to pay a player who rarely plays £80k a week, as much as I like that Shepherd backs his managers with cash, there has to be a time when Shepherd turns round and says "Are you MENTAL??!" 130383[/snapback] Slightly edited to make it more clear .... but its a double edged sword. The Chairman maybe isn't happy at 80k , but if he doesn't back his manager he's undermining him. Now plenty of people would slate him for that. On the other hand he's slated for giving him a contract ... !!! This is how the system works though, but whichever way you look at it, its the manager who was wrong for recommending that this player was worth handing an extended improved contract to, if HE hadn't done that, we have to run the risk of losing him for nothing, getting a reduced fee, saving on his pay packet....then what if the little shitebag all of a sudden goes through a season or two without being hurt ... and plays his knackers out ? I hate Dyer almost as much as Souness, but that scenario is possible. There's no easy decision. Mine would have been to recommend letting him go or trying to offload, and take our chances on his future fitness. As it happens now, he is seeing Richard Steadman in the summer, if he doesn't solve his problems, stand by for the insurance pay out IMO. 130385[/snapback] Hmmm, that's interesting. When Dyer was given an improved contract, was it in case of claiming some insurance in the future? By increasing his wages, were NUFC boxing clever in getting an improved insurance payout if all failed with Dyer's fitness?? I'm probably talking a load of bollix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46023 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 For the insurance to pay out, wouldn't the player have to accept his career was over and not play professionally again? Can't see Dyer being willing to do that when he's onto a nice little earner not playing as things stand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 For the insurance to pay out, wouldn't the player have to accept his career was over and not play professionally again? Can't see Dyer being willing to do that when he's onto a nice little earner not playing as things stand. 130389[/snapback] You're probably right Gemm. Just my twisted mind thinking of Portly Freddie knowing something was going to go wrong, increasing Dyer's value by the improved contract and cashing in if things did end in Dyer's release from his contract due to health/fitness. Maybe I should say that this is just my assumption and is probably so far from the truth to be laughable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Has the Zog signed this new contract then? 130176[/snapback] Doesn't sound like it. "Offered" and "handed" are the only things I've seen so far. Let's just hope that a) he isn't poorly advised like Bernard was and he wants to stay himself. Having said that, if the Arsenal story is true and his agent advises him to go, you'd have to say it would be good advice unfortunately. Let's hope he signs the contract anyway - it would have made much more sense for Shepherd to go to the media when the contract was signed by the way. Announcing that you've offered someone a new contract is completely daft and is only going to alert potential suitors that now's the time to make your move. You generally only see that sort of stuff when there is a dispute and the chairman wants to make it clear that it's not the club that's stalling. Still, at least Freddy got to see his name in the paper. 130378[/snapback] Exactamundo. Until negotiations are signed, sealed and delivered I would have thought it would make more sense to say nowt, rather than draw attention to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckyluke 2 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 Has the Zog signed this new contract then? 130176[/snapback] Doesn't sound like it. "Offered" and "handed" are the only things I've seen so far. Let's just hope that a) he isn't poorly advised like Bernard was and he wants to stay himself. Having said that, if the Arsenal story is true and his agent advises him to go, you'd have to say it would be good advice unfortunately. Let's hope he signs the contract anyway - it would have made much more sense for Shepherd to go to the media when the contract was signed by the way. Announcing that you've offered someone a new contract is completely daft and is only going to alert potential suitors that now's the time to make your move. You generally only see that sort of stuff when there is a dispute and the chairman wants to make it clear that it's not the club that's stalling. Still, at least Freddy got to see his name in the paper. 130378[/snapback] Exactamundo. Until negotiations are signed, sealed and delivered I would have thought it would make more sense to say nowt, rather than draw attention to it. 130446[/snapback] You're forgetting who our chairman is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeazesMag 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) For the insurance to pay out, wouldn't the player have to accept his career was over and not play professionally again? Can't see Dyer being willing to do that when he's onto a nice little earner not playing as things stand. 130389[/snapback] I think, that the insurance policy would pay out if the medical people certify him unable to participate again in professional football. As Dr Steadman is the worlds top surgeon [but obviously it wouldn't have to be specifically him] there wouldn't be much argument. It is unlikely the player would play again if this happens, its not supposed to be the case, the player would have to accept the specialists advice that it would be detrimental to his health to play again. He himself may also have his own earnings insured to a degree [or the PFA does, as they quite often tell us they have their own substantial funds to help footballers who's careers are terminated] and a condition of the pay out is that he doesn't play again. Having said all that, you never know what clauses may be in the policies. Dyers problems have gone on for so long, his career MUST be reaching a crossroads. He just cannot carry on the way he is. Some clubs don't insure their players. The payouts may be huge but so are the premiums. I read somewhere that Arsenal don't. Edited May 2, 2006 by LeazesMag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol 0 Posted May 2, 2006 Share Posted May 2, 2006 For the insurance to pay out, wouldn't the player have to accept his career was over and not play professionally again? Can't see Dyer being willing to do that when he's onto a nice little earner not playing as things stand. 130389[/snapback] I think, that the insurance policy would pay out if the medical people certify him unable to participate again in professional football. As Dr Steadman is the worlds top surgeon [but obviously it wouldn't have to be specifically him] there wouldn't be much argument. It is unlikely the player would play again if this happens, its not supposed to be the case, the player would have to accept the specialists advice that it would be detrimental to his health to play again. He himself may also have his own earnings insured to a degree [or the PFA does, as they quite often tell us they have their own substantial funds to help footballers who's careers are terminated] and a condition of the pay out is that he doesn't play again. Having said all that, you never know what clauses may be in the policies. Dyers problems have gone on for so long, his career MUST be reaching a crossroads. He just cannot carry on the way he is. Some clubs don't insure their players. The payouts may be huge but so are the premiums. I read somewhere that Arsenal don't. 130527[/snapback] They take insurance out on individual players, such as Henry. Don't think many of them are insured though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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