Optimistic Nut 190 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) 1. Manchester United.......9.......27pts 1. Liverpool......................12.......25pts 3. Chelsea.........................9.......19pts 4. Newcastle United.......10.......19pts 5. Blackburn Rovers..........10.....17pts 6. Tottenham Hotspur........9......17pts 7. Arsenal..........................9......16pts 8. Everton..........................9......15pts 9. Middlesbrough...............9.......15pts 10.Charlton Athletic...........11......14pts 11.Bolton Wanderers..........10......11pts 12.West Ham United............9.......11pts 13.Portsmouth....................8........10pts 14.Wigan Athletic................9........10pts 15.Fulham.........................10.......10pts 16.Aston Villa.....................10........9pts 17.Birmingham City............10........9pts 18.Manchester City..............9.........6pts 19.West Bromwich Albion.....9..........5pts 20.Sunderland....................10.........2pts Edited April 10, 2006 by Optimistic Nut Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gejon 2 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Fuck 4th! Roeder out!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM4 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 haha, that's pretty sick ... still can't really believe the whole SOuness thing really happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Optimistic by name... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM4 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Optimistic by name... 118432[/snapback] Complete nut by nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brock Manson 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Optimistic by name... 118432[/snapback] Complete nut by nature 118433[/snapback] Aye ah knar! We blatantly would've finished 3rd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mags 1 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Not all that far fetched- case in point the season of 2002/3 when Toon finished third under Sir Bobby, and then 95-97 second under Keegan. Rambling. Shutting up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smoggeordie 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 haven't man united just won 9 on the trot in the league? 9 x 3 =27, so how do they only have 24 from 10? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rodhaminho 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Just shows what you can do with a manager with a couple of brain cells. Can you imagine how good we would be with a top european coach in charge? BTW we should win every game in our run-in now. Our fixtures are a peace of p*ss really. Wigan- Win Sunderland- Win West Brom-Win Brum- Draw (Fighting for their lives) Chelsea- Win (Season over) If this happened we should clinch at least 7th place which isn't bad considering we were suicidal in january! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 190 Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 haven't man united just won 9 on the trot in the league? 9 x 3 =27, so how do they only have 24 from 10? 118446[/snapback] Correctamundo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPTOON 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 1. Manchester United.......9.......27pts1. Liverpool......................12.......25pts 3. Chelsea.........................9.......19pts 4. Newcastle United.......10.......19pts 5. Blackburn Rovers..........10.....17pts 6. Tottenham Hotspur........9......17pts 7. Arsenal..........................9......16pts 8. Everton..........................9......15pts 9. Middlesbrough...............9.......15pts 10.Charlton Athletic...........11......14pts 11.Bolton Wanderers..........10......11pts 12.West Ham United............9.......11pts 13.Portsmouth....................8........10pts 14.Wigan Athletic................9........10pts 15.Fulham.........................10.......10pts 16.Aston Villa.....................10........9pts 17.Birmingham City............10........9pts 18.Manchester City..............9.........6pts 19.West Bromwich Albion.....9..........5pts 20.Sunderland....................10.........2pts 118426[/snapback] Roeder and Shearer for the Toon!!! After being chucked in at the eleventh hour with the club in a right state staring at a relegation battle they have done amazingly well it has to be said. If they can turn us round in so quickly in a manner that O'neil, Hitzfeld, Hiddink etc would be praised to the skies for, it begs the question are they the men for the job? They are after all proving that they are! What more could we have realistically asked for? What could they achieve in a season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 (edited) see my thread on "12 points better off" they haven't "turned us round " - Souness was 9 points ahead of last season now we're 12 points up They just took over before we played some dross - when we played Chelski, Liverpool etc we crashed and burnt (again) And before you ask - NO I don't want Souness back Edited April 10, 2006 by Rob W Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22007 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 see my thread on "12 points better off" they haven't "turned us round " - Souness was 9 points ahead of last season now we're 12 points up They just took over before we played some dross - when we played Chelski, Liverpool etc we crashed and burnt (again) And before you ask - NO I don't want Souness back 118558[/snapback] Not sure what you are getting at Rob. Are Tottenham, in 4th place, dross? Bolton and Everton even? Winning away at Villa and Boro? Do you seriously think nothing has changed, we are not playing better? Do you seriously think Souness would have picked up these points, despite still having an extensive injury list as his favourite excuse? The only really disappointing result has been the Charlton match for me, and even then, apparently we played OK but were unlucky. It's no surprise we are nowhere near ManU, Liverpool, or Chelsea tbh, but then, who is responsible for that? Fact is, if Shepherd had pulled out his finger and binned Souness earlier, we would have been looking at Europe now, maybe even the Champions League. But no, he didn't, partly on the advice I suspect of people like you who seem to think good management makes no difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I don't disagree totally - but we often get points at the Boro and the Villa is our best away ground by far over the last 10-12 years we've drizzled away points - such as the home games W ham, Fulham, Blackburn and Villa were especially disapointing I agree we ARE playing better and its certainly a more cheerful atmosphere but statistically even Souness was well ahead of last season's dire performance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 190 Posted April 10, 2006 Author Share Posted April 10, 2006 True, but one thing about last season was that after we got knocked out of the cups, he started experimenting by dropping the likes of Kluivert & Robert and bringing in Ambrose, Milner, etc. and we only won 1 out of the last 7 as a result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22007 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I don't disagree totally - but we often get points at the Boro and the Villa is our best away ground by far over the last 10-12 years we've drizzled away points - such as the home games W ham, Fulham, Blackburn and Villa were especially disapointing I agree we ARE playing better and its certainly a more cheerful atmosphere but statistically even Souness was well ahead of last season's dire performance 118578[/snapback] But didn't Souness only accumulate 6 or 7 points without Owen this season? I think the statistic you're quoting (I'll have to take your word on it it's true because it seems odd that we have already exceeded last year's points total to me) is a classic example of when they don't tell the whole story. Only the most ardent Souness fan or clueless fool (or both, probably) would suggest our team has not greatly improved since Roeder took charge. Give credit where it's due I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 46086 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Is someone picking on wor Graeme? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPTOON 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 see my thread on "12 points better off" they haven't "turned us round " - Souness was 9 points ahead of last season now we're 12 points up They just took over before we played some dross - when we played Chelski, Liverpool etc we crashed and burnt (again) And before you ask - NO I don't want Souness back 118558[/snapback] erm i don't really see your point Rob? Remember it was soumess who guided us to 14th last year and after finishing 4th 3rd and 5th the seasons before aswell as kicking out Bellamy ! After spending £50m we were looking at relegation this season.. ..untill that is Shepperd chucked Roeder and Shearer in to take over the helm and not only picked up more points than any of us could realistically have expected but have us playing good football again too! If O'neil or Hitzfeld or Hiddink etc did that some people would be creaming their pants over what they could achieve next season! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22007 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 see my thread on "12 points better off" they haven't "turned us round " - Souness was 9 points ahead of last season now we're 12 points up They just took over before we played some dross - when we played Chelski, Liverpool etc we crashed and burnt (again) And before you ask - NO I don't want Souness back 118558[/snapback] erm i don't really see your point Rob? Remember it was soumess who guided us to 14th last year and after finishing 4th 3rd and 5th the seasons before aswell as kicking out Bellamy ! After spending £50m we were looking at relegation this season.. ..untill that is Shepperd chucked Roeder and Shearer in to take over the helm and not only picked up more points than any of us could realistically have expected but have us playing good football again too! If O'neil or Hitzfeld or Hiddink etc did that some people would be creaming their pants over what they could achieve next season! 118650[/snapback] I stilll want a "big name" manager but see where you're coming from. I guess one advantage Roeder has had that an ousider wouldn't have had immediately is he probably had a fair idea what was wrong with the club at the start. But fair play to him, and well done for being able to make some brave decisions like dropping Luque and Boumsong, despite their "value". Who signed them again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler's Mom 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 I stilll want a "big name" manager but see where you're coming from. I guess one advantage Roeder has had that an ousider wouldn't have had immediately is he probably had a fair idea what was wrong with the club at the start. But fair play to him, and well done for being able to make some brave decisions like dropping Luque and Boumsong, despite their "value". Who signed them again? 118659[/snapback] Agree profusely, tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 see my thread on "12 points better off" they haven't "turned us round " - Souness was 9 points ahead of last season now we're 12 points up They just took over before we played some dross - when we played Chelski, Liverpool etc we crashed and burnt (again) And before you ask - NO I don't want Souness back 118558[/snapback] erm i don't really see your point Rob? Remember it was soumess who guided us to 14th last year and after finishing 4th 3rd and 5th the seasons before aswell as kicking out Bellamy ! After spending £50m we were looking at relegation this season.. ..untill that is Shepperd chucked Roeder and Shearer in to take over the helm and not only picked up more points than any of us could realistically have expected but have us playing good football again too! If O'neil or Hitzfeld or Hiddink etc did that some people would be creaming their pants over what they could achieve next season! 118650[/snapback] as I said I'm not, and never was, a Souness fan - what we got was what I expected all I'm saying is that the stats don't show the AMAZING improvement in performance some people think Roeder has done well to restore morale and to get good performances out of people that GS had left in shreds and heaven knows where would have finished if he'd stayed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPTOON 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 see my thread on "12 points better off" they haven't "turned us round " - Souness was 9 points ahead of last season now we're 12 points up They just took over before we played some dross - when we played Chelski, Liverpool etc we crashed and burnt (again) And before you ask - NO I don't want Souness back 118558[/snapback] erm i don't really see your point Rob? Remember it was soumess who guided us to 14th last year and after finishing 4th 3rd and 5th the seasons before aswell as kicking out Bellamy ! After spending £50m we were looking at relegation this season.. ..untill that is Shepperd chucked Roeder and Shearer in to take over the helm and not only picked up more points than any of us could realistically have expected but have us playing good football again too! If O'neil or Hitzfeld or Hiddink etc did that some people would be creaming their pants over what they could achieve next season! 118650[/snapback] as I said I'm not, and never was, a Souness fan - what we got was what I expected all I'm saying is that the stats don't show the AMAZING improvement in performance some people think Roeder has done well to restore morale and to get good performances out of people that GS had left in shreds and heaven knows where would have finished if he'd stayed 118770[/snapback] Well we kind of agree then. Roeder and Shearer have for me done a better job though than we could have expected any manager to come in and do. We didn't play well against man u or liverpool who were two teams finely tuned and on fire, i was a little disapointed with the way we played but only hoped for a draw against the pool tbh. Charlton we could have beaten, but didn't go our way and we've won the rest of the premiership games and deserved a draw at chelski in the cup imo. Overall we've been great since Roeder and Shearer took over especially considering the mess we were in. If they carried on next season it would be very interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Roeder seems to understand the players whereas I always had the impression that Wor Graham was a shouter I'd be tempted to give Roeder a run - but we have no idea if he can buy well.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOPTOON 0 Posted April 10, 2006 Share Posted April 10, 2006 Roeder seems to understand the players whereas I always had the impression that Wor Graham was a shouter I'd be tempted to give Roeder a run - but we have no idea if he can buy well.............. 118834[/snapback] Agreed! Nothing to suggest he won't at the moment though. Didn't rate him at all after his west ham spell tbh, but credit where credit's due people learn and improve, he's done a canny job so far for us and if he can continue that till the end of the season then i'd give him the job on a year or two's contract. With Hiddink and Hitzfeld seemingly out the picture le guen gone to rangers and o'neil possibly going for the England Job we may be running out of suitable candidates anyway. Sven's got a great cv so woulden't be disapointed there IF he wants it. Big Phill Scholari'sa good candidate IF he wanted it (seems to prefer international coaching) Who says big sam, Jewell etc would do a much better job? But Roeder and Shearer know the club inside out, Shearer's Toon through and through i'd love it if they could be successfull with the Toon! Two guys that actually love the club and really care, not a mercenary brought in with no connection to the club at all. Hopefully Shepherd will let them see out the season and if they continue as impressively let them carry on next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 190 Posted April 15, 2006 Author Share Posted April 15, 2006 After the Wigan game... 1. Manchester United.......10.........28pts 2. Liverpool......................12.........25pts 3. Chelsea........................10.........22pts 4. Newcastle United.........11.........22pts 5. Tottenham Hotspur......10.........20pts 6. Arsenal.........................10.........19pts 7. Blackburn Rovers..........10.........17pts 8. Everton.........................10.........15pts 9. Middlesbrough...............10.........15pts 10.Charlton Athletic...........12.........14pts 11.West Ham United.........10..........14pts 12.Portsmouth...................9...........13pts 13.Fulham..........................11.........13pts 14.Bolton Wanderers.........11.........11pts 15.Wigan Athletic...............10.........10pts 16.Aston Villa.....................10..........9pts 17.Birmingham City............10..........9pts 18.Manchester City.............10.........6pts 19.West Bromwich Albion....10.........5pts 20.Sunderland....................11..........3pts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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