Rayvin 5217 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 I ceased following Sargon ages back, largely because of his anti-EU stance, and his joining of UKIP really cemented it for me Doesn't change the fact that he makes some good arguments sometimes though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30591 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 (edited) 29 minutes ago, tooner said: he does for sure, and fair point, but freedom of speech is about hearing unpopular as well as popular views. i agree that if he spouts anything that qualifies as hate speech or advocates violence he should be shut down. the gentleman he is debating is going to mop the floor with him in this debate, and I feel like censure of unpopular views would/could be more common if his cronies stay in power. I’m not saying he should be legally banned but those booking him should take a look at themselves. The problem is that those with views similar to Bannon’s aren’t going to be dissuaded by listening a rational voice, they’re just going to feel legitimised by seeing Bannon on national media/platforms. Edited November 2, 2018 by ewerk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooner 243 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 i agree with you on that. here is the "about" page from the Munk debates website for some background. i didn't realise that they voted a winner. About Munk Debates The semi-annual Debates were established in 2008 as a charitable initiative of the Aurea Foundation co-founders Peter and Melanie Munk. The Debates take place in Toronto in the evening in front of an audience of 3,000 people at Roy Thomson Hall. The Debates last approximately an hour and a half. Two panelists argue for a debate style motion and two against. The format is short opening statements followed by a civil and substantive moderated panel discussion, followed by short closing statements. Past participants include Henry Kissinger, Glenn Greenwald, Paul Krugman, Fareed Zakaria, Tony Blair, Christopher Hitchens and Larry Summers, among others. The transcript of each debate is published as a book in Canada by House of Anansi Press and internationally. The Munk Debates are open to the general public. Tickets to the debates are $40 to $100 each. Seating is limited. Each event begins at 7:00 PM with a vote by the audience on the resolution being debated. The final vote is tallied and the winning side is announced at approximately 9:00 PM. The Munk Debates are organized by Rudyard Griffiths, Chair of The Munk Debates, with Naylor and Associates. The Munk Debates benefit from advice and insights of an advisory board. Its members include Mark Cameron, Andrew Coyne, Devon Cross, John Duffy, Allan Gotlieb, Margaret MacMillan, Anthony Munk, Robert Prichard and Janice Stein. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted November 2, 2018 Share Posted November 2, 2018 Freedom of speech is too often used by bigots and fascists to get airtime. Their position is "just as valid" as grown up opinions. That their extreme views are given the same (if not more) air time as centrist views is ludicrous and embarrassing. UKIP have fewer MPs than the Green Party, right? Why are hatemongers given more time than hippies? Because they make for better tv? I'd have no problem with UKIP getting the proportional amount of time as their support dictates. But they don't, because they get more attention than a rational climatologist explaining that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't frack? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5217 Posted November 3, 2018 Share Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, The Fish said: Freedom of speech is too often used by bigots and fascists to get airtime. Their position is "just as valid" as grown up opinions. That their extreme views are given the same (if not more) air time as centrist views is ludicrous and embarrassing. UKIP have fewer MPs than the Green Party, right? Why are hatemongers given more time than hippies? Because they make for better tv? I'd have no problem with UKIP getting the proportional amount of time as their support dictates. But they don't, because they get more attention than a rational climatologist explaining that maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't frack? In fairness to UKIP they did get 4 million votes in the previous to last GE. That's a lot. More than the Liberals as I recall. And the people who voted for them still hold the same views, they just needed to vote Tory for Brexit instead. Giving people a platform or not in this day and age is irrelevant. They get heard anyway. What matters is challenging them. The whole right wing side of the culture war relies on the notion that they are somehow looking at truths and facts that the MSM refuses to. To beat them, the MSM needs to address the same issues from a centrist perspective rather than shying away. And yes this does mean admitting some inconvenient truths (working class multicultural integration has been a failure in many areas through no fault of either side, for one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4248 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Fireworks are fucking shite. Especially on estates. They have been going off since 4, the dog is absolutely terrified and I’ve got to go out in half an hour. Going to have to take her to a mates so she isn’t on her own. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trooper 940 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 52 minutes ago, strawb said: Fireworks are fucking shite. Especially on estates. They have been going off since 4, the dog is absolutely terrified and I’ve got to go out in half an hour. Going to have to take her to a mates so she isn’t on her own. Yeah can they not just do organised displays if they've got to have them. Our dogs are going crackers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20129 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 Fucking hate it. Don't have any pets but serious sympathy for those that do. We had a dog when I was a kid and it was petrified of em Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42405 Posted November 5, 2018 Share Posted November 5, 2018 I took my lot to the display at Blue Flames tonight. A firework display. With loads of families. There were stewards going round, stopping people from lighting sparklers. At a firework display. p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4248 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Another dislike of mine is things like that, I’m a H&S person and that sounds like some council person couldn’t be arsed doing their job properly so just blanked banned something. They are the reason people whinge about H&S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4248 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Oh and I went to a pottery class last night, it was mint and I really enjoyed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30591 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 You sure you haven’t had both your balls removed? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20129 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17245 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Pottery, catering courses etc are full of women “looking for a hobby” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42405 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, strawb said: Another dislike of mine is things like that, I’m a H&S person and that sounds like some council person couldn’t be arsed doing their job properly so just blanked banned something. They are the reason people whinge about H&S. This is a privately run event, though. Has as to be said, mind, no one took a blind bit of notice, me included. “ Aye, ok mate. “ Watch him waddle off in to the crowd… ” Who wants a sparkler then, Fistlets?” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21914 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 you'll all be relived to hear i tore up the dance floor at my 40th on saturday night with a selection of oldchool hip hop and dnb classics. rolling back the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35076 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Was the MC any good though? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42405 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Bloke sidles up to Gloomy at the party… ” Got any pills, Doc?” Gloomy- “ Aye, multivitamins or ibuprofen?” Happy 40th, you dodderer. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44843 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 Happy birthday. Now get off the skateboard, take off the cans and start growing old gracefully. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21914 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 38 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Happy birthday. Now get off the skateboard, take off the cans and start growing old gracefully. i'm incapable of it. people kept asking me whether i feel any different. but honestly i don't. i mean, thers's some stuff: i've got a mortgage and two kids to keep alive, and i struggle to recognise the puffy, winkled face that greets me when i look in the mirror first thing in the morning. then there's the slipped disc in the back and the tendinitis in the knee and the receding hairline. other than that, i feel as irresponsible and as immature as ever. is there ever a point in life when you start to feel like a proper grown up? i have imposter syndrome at work, and at life generally. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meenzer 15518 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 I've bought this card for several people now. Life's short and shite enough, immaturity is one of the few free and simple pleasures it affords. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4248 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 3 hours ago, ewerk said: You sure you haven’t had both your balls removed? Smacks of jealousy this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44843 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said: i'm incapable of it. people kept asking me whether i feel any different. but honestly i don't. i mean, thers's some stuff: i've got a mortgage and two kids to keep alive, and i struggle to recognise the puffy, winkled face that greets me when i look in the mirror first thing in the morning. then there's the slipped disc in the back and the tendinitis in the knee and the receding hairline. other than that, i feel as irresponsible and as immature as ever. is there ever a point in life when you start to feel like a proper grown up? i have imposter syndrome at work, and at life generally. Keith Richards says pretty much the same in his book. That there's no point that he's felt anything other than a teenager in his head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35076 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 My dog never used to be arsed about fireworks then for the last couple of years he’s changed and they terrify him now. Don’t take it for granted that not being scared now means it’ll always be that way unfortunately. And most of the shop bought ones are shite anyway unless you’re prepared to spend a fortune. Seems like there were more than ever going off last night but I suppose everyone needs to have the biggest baddest fireworks party so they boast about it on Facebook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooner 243 Posted November 6, 2018 Share Posted November 6, 2018 bunch of grumps in this thread, if you hate fireworks you're doing them wrong. I get that dogs don't like them, my dog hates them as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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