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Fuck me! not a truer word said really, although obviously he didn't go to Finland when it comes to drinking and being a moron. The same could be said about some cities in England also.

The point is every culture has their idiots that includes the countries he was raving on about.

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I was going to say, the author's definition of "Europe" surely cannot include the UK. :lol:

 

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I was thinking exactly that reading it.

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In your culture its Tony Abbott :)

 

 

Absolutely, cannot believe this guy is our Prime Minister. He's just more or less made himself head of programming of the ABC.

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I was going to say, the author's definition of "Europe" surely cannot include the UK. :lol:

 

 

You may have that little piece of water between you and Europe but you whole history has been part of it. :lol:

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You may have that little piece of water between you and Europe but you whole history has been part of it. :lol:

At war with it.

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Well when that French King did succeed, it lasted for a very long time.

:dunno:

 

We hold our own. Not bad at cricket either. :cool:

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I suppose this sort of illustrates my point about us being very Australian in our mindset.

 

 

So it should be, you shipped enough of us out to the colonies. :lol:

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Well when that French King did succeed, it lasted for a very long time.

Wilhelm the Conquerer wasn't French, if he was he would have been called Guillaume.

 

Wilhelm was Norse and used his tribal relations with the Vikings to conquer the country. There was a french king in Paris at that time, known as the king of the Francs and he had nothing to do with the invasion.

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Wilhelm the Conquerer wasn't French, if he was he would have been called Guillaume.

 

Wilhelm was Norse and used his tribal relations with the Vikings to conquer the country. There was a french king in Paris at that time, known as the king of the Francs and he had nothing to do with the invasion.

 

Not sure what the spelling of William, a Germanic name, during the 11th century has to do with anything.

 

By 1066, the Normans certainly were as much French as they were anything else. William's ancestors were Northmen, sure, but they were settled in France as a bulwark over 150 years before the invasion of England. By the time of the invasion they had completely adopted French culture, language, religion and custom. Similar to the Spanish Basque in modern day Spain (and in southern France for that matter during the 11th century).

 

That French language and culture is seen as 'upperclass' or 'stylish' in modern Britain owes much to the Norman invasion of 1066. Immediately after the invasion the English nobility adopted Norman custom, which was for all intents and purposes, French.

 

What 'Viking tribal' relations? Scandinavia was under almost complete feudal rule by 1066. What tribes? I've never heard of William using 'Viking tribes' to conquer England. We don't learn about this sort of stuff in Australia in school so I've had to learn myself. Am I overlooking something that's really obvious?

 

 

Also, for anyone who might be interested (so just me :D ), an honourable mention to some other invaders of Britain:

Numerous Celtic tribes

The Romans

Angles

Saxons

Jutes

Norse Vikings (numerous times over the course of a few hundred years in places like Dublin, Bristol, York, etc., etc.)

The Danes (because the English were rich enough to pay the Danegeld, but decided, without any meaningful army, they'd rather not)

The Normans

The Danes again

 

Britain is not some impregnable island. It has been invaded, almost for sport, for thousands of years.

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That was such a turn-on. :lol:

:lol:

 

I'm starting to worry about you Gemmers.

 

Also, I've just realised that Chez was simply correcting my history impaired countryman who referred to William I as the King of fucking France.

 

I'm sorry but I didn't notice. Everything glazed over in a fog of history-talk induced euphoria.

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From memory there was a pact between William and a norse outfit who invaded from the north at the same time william invaded from the south. Harold saw off the vikings in the north but not the normans. Not surprising given his men wouldve been exhausted.

 

Not sure whether that supports the contention that chez put forward but ive never heard the Normans described as a viking outfit. They were however incredibly hard bastards who conquered swathes of Europe and the middle east. One of the crusaders whose I cant remember was famed for cutting a saracen on horseback in half at the waist.

 

Which is pretty cool. Balancing that up is they bequeathed tbe christian name of Norman to the western world.

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