General Random Conversation..

[Sonatine 12262]

6 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Kanye having another normal one I see

 

[Monkeys Fist 46211]

1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said:

Kanye having another normal one I see

 

Putting everything else aside, his cousin is really going to thank him for making his prison life so much more fun now…

[Gemmill 52212]

Could be worse, he could have said his cousin gives excellent blow jobs.

[Monkeys Fist 46211]

7 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Could be worse, he could have said his cousin gives excellent blow jobs.

Every cloud…

[Monkeys Fist 46211]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce8gr62ym4ko
 

Article asking whether killers, stalkers etc should have to live in specified “restricted zones” after release, as opposed to the current system where their victims have a restricted zone imposed around their residence which the perpetrators cannot enter. 
 

I have skin in this game, as my brother’s killer is due for release in a year or two. 
 

A small exclusion zone, centered around my mother’s home, is part of his pre-release conditions. 
 

Since she has now passed away, I asked the parole liaison whether this would still be in place, since I also live within it. 
 

It will, which I’ll benefit from since I also live within it, but my older brother wont as he lives elsewhere. 
 

Reading this article, I did not realise that exclusion areas could be county sized. 
 

I wish I’d known this, as I’d have asked for North and South Tyneside to be the exclusion zones for our case, which would have covered my mother, brother, and I. 
 

The point of the article though, is to flip the effect of the exclusion areas, and put it on the offender, putting them in a restricted area outside of which they can not go, as opposed to having an area around the victim which is “safe” but the offender is free to go anywhere else, essentially restricting the freedom of the victims movements. 
 

I can get behind this. 
 

I know my Mam was happy that she wouldn’t ever see the killer in her day-to-day movements (within the exclusion area), but did still have concerns that she might see him in Town. 
 

Not a concern for her anymore, but I know that if I or my brother ever see him in town, there’s a strong chance of bother. 
 

I’d much rather not have to worry about that. 
 

The human rights issue, of restricting the offenders choice of where to live/move etc, can get in the fucking sea, tbh. 
 

Offenders have their movements and choice of residence taken away when they are sentenced. 
For murder, they are released on licence, which means they are still under sentence and can be sent back to prison if they break their licence conditions. 
 

Thoughts? 

[Craig 7312]

Human rights campaigners will no doubt get behind the idea that the offender's movement was controlled when they were incarcerated and now they've been released, they have the freedom to move with small exception. As you can say, this can get in the bin. 

 

The offender made a conscious decision to take a life - for that their future existence should be at a disadvantage to their victims and for that, I support your viewpoint. 

[Craig 7312]

BTW a couple of points:

1. I can't believe he's due for release. Doesn't seem that long ago he was being locked up.

2. Was the exclusion zone something you applied for or was it automatically designated and if the former, do you feel you weren't adequately advised on the boundary of what the zone could be? 

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If they’re out on licence I have no problem with their movement being controlled. Whatever the restrictions it’s still better than being locked in a cell.

[Gemmill 52212]

Aye I'd go along with that. 

[Monkeys Fist 46211]

10 minutes ago, Craig said:

BTW a couple of points:

1. I can't believe he's due for release. Doesn't seem that long ago he was being locked up.

2. Was the exclusion zone something you applied for or was it automatically designated and if the former, do you feel you weren't adequately advised on the boundary of what the zone could be? 

17 years ago. 
When we were told he up for parole it brought it crashing back like it was yesterday. 
 

If I remember, we were asked if we wanted to apply for an exclusion, then the zone was shown to us. 
Since it was based on my Mam’s residence, and she’s now passed away, I might go back and ask about redrawing it to include my brother 

5 minutes ago, ewerk said:

If they’re out on licence I have no problem with their movement being controlled. Whatever the restrictions it’s still better than being locked in a cell.

Murder is a mandatory life sentence, which means after release the offender is still under sentence and released “on licence”. 
The conditions of the licence vary from case to case, but are generally about making your address known to police, attending police stations regularly, not being a fucking murderer again, not breaking exclusion zones, etc. 

 

Any breach of license can result in being sent back to jail. 

[Monkeys Fist 46211]

Quite coincidentally, I’ve literally just had an email from the parole liaison saying that boyo is expected to begin overnight visits next month. 

Im going to ask about increasing the exclusion area. 

 

[Craig 7312]

1 minute ago, Monkeys Fist said:

Quite coincidentally, I’ve literally just had an email from the parole liaison saying that boyo is expected to begin overnight visits next month. 

Im going to ask about increasing the exclusion area. 

 

I think it's a wise move. Given you Mam has passed away, the right to exclusion should IMO pass to next of kin - which is you and your brother. Hope they're understanding and consider it. 

 

[Monkeys Fist 46211]

Just asked to add city centre and his area of residence. 
 

Let’s see what they say?