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[PaddockLad 17252]

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1820117092592402589.html
 

How reliable are crime stats in general in this country?… I’ve often thought they were bollocks tbh, especially national ones. They’re not giving you a picture in a particular area. They were used by the tories to cut police numbers by 20k. Apart from that there’s a lot in here that rings true  

[Renton 21614]

11 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1820117092592402589.html
 

How reliable are crime stats in general in this country?… I’ve often thought they were bollocks tbh, especially national ones. They’re not giving you a picture in a particular area. They were used by the tories to cut police numbers by 20k. Apart from that there’s a lot in here that rings true  

 

Good article. Violent crime actually has been decreasing in nearly all western societies for decades. Lots of theories about this, from the removal of lead from petrol to technological devices removing boredom. This is a generational observation which could be reversing, I don't know. I remember in the 1980s it was almost inevitable if you wentoout on a Saturday night you would witness some pretty gruesome violence. Burlgaries and car theft have also gone down hugely, as electronic devices from houses are worth less and cars are much harder to steal. Do you remember what these crimes were like in the 90s? 

Some crimes have gone up hugely though. Fraud. Recently, shoplifitng. And as you point out, the spread of crime is not even. Some of those communities in Boro I would be frightened to even walk through in daylight. Ironically for me though, I always feel safe in Asian communities. The root causes of the situation to me seem to be:

• Genuine concern with the cost of living crisis and a loss of work opportunities in mainly industrial northern towns and cities.
• A lack of education and abitility to think critically in the inhabitants of these left behind places. 
• Rise of demagogues expoliting the above. These have always been there, but...
• Widespread use of social media to promote lies, conspiracy theories, and right wing rhetoric. Coupled with a lack of trust in MSM and politicians. 

For me, probably the most key of these is the lack of people to be able to understand and appraise information. I would immediately make this a mandatory requirement in schools. We won't get the benefit from that for 20 years though. Christ knows what society will be like by then. 

[Rayvin 5219]

4 minutes ago, Renton said:

 

Good article. Violent crime actually has been decreasing in nearly all western societies for decades. Lots of theories about this, from the removal of lead from petrol to technological devices removing boredom. This is a generational observation which could be reversing, I don't know. I remember in the 1980s it was almost inevitable if you wentoout on a Saturday night you would witness some pretty gruesome violence. Burlgaries and car theft have also gone down hugely, as electronic devices from houses are worth less and cars are much harder to steal. Do you remember what these crimes were like in the 90s? 

Some crimes have gone up hugely though. Fraud. Recently, shoplifitng. And as you point out, the spread of crime is not even. Some of those communities in Boro I would be frightened to even walk through in daylight. Ironically for me though, I always feel safe in Asian communities. The root causes of the situation to me seem to be:

• Genuine concern with the cost of living crisis and a loss of work opportunities in mainly industrial northern towns and cities.
• A lack of education and abitility to think critically in the inhabitants of these left behind places. 
• Rise of demagogues expoliting the above. These have always been there, but...
• Widespread use of social media to promote lies, conspiracy theories, and right wing rhetoric. Coupled with a lack of trust in MSM and politicians. 

For me, probably the most key of these is the lack of people to be able to understand and appraise information. I would immediately make this a mandatory requirement in schools. We won't get the benefit from that for 20 years though. Christ knows what society will be like by then. 

 

Critical thinking needs to be pushed in schools indeed, and some sort of civics course so that people understand the country they live in as a political entity, so they can understand what they're voting for. People need to have things like immigration explained to them while they're a captive audience, and not before the right has managed to get their tendrils into them. They can still choose to disagree with it after that of course, but at least they'd be doing so based on factual realities, and not hysteria.

[PaddockLad 17252]

1. Surprised at the level of violence unleashed in the riots he’s chiefly responsible for instigating. 
 

2. He hasn’t called for an immediate stop to them, he’s called for a chinwag

 

 

 

 

[Gemmill 44853]

11 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

1. Surprised at the level of violence unleashed in the riots he’s chiefly responsible for instigating. 
 

2. He hasn’t called for an immediate stop to them, he’s called for a chinwag

 

 

 

 

 

There was a debate after the Southport killings and the arsehole didn't show up, preferring to post video on twitter "just asking legitimate questions" about whether information about the identity of the killer was being withheld from the public. 

 

He's got some fucking neck on him. 

[Renton 21614]

21 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

1. Surprised at the level of violence unleashed in the riots he’s chiefly responsible for instigating. 
 

2. He hasn’t called for an immediate stop to them, he’s called for a chinwag

 

 

 

 

 

Ahhh, two-tier policing, the latest buzzword from the the facists. 

95% of immigration is legal. Therefore, how can it be uncontrolled? 

 

I can see a way around this. Maybe if we had a pooled Labour market with our European peers, we could allow young people to move throughout the continent to fill labour gaps where it is needed? This would happen organically according to market forces, and we all know the right wingers love the market, right? (Except Liz Truss). People of a similar culture could do seasonable jobs in agriculuture or hospitality, or even the shit factory jobs no British person want to do like food processing? Or provide social care for our elderly or medical care for the NHS? And then, they could freely move back once the job isn't needed any more or they have made enough money. And this could be reciprocal, giving the chance for our own kids to experience another European country? And we could have regulatory alignment and abolish all tariff and non-tariff barriers for goods while we are at it. Everybody would be a winner. Maybe we could call this the single market or something? 

 

Maybe I should propose this to Nigel to see what he thinks? Or maybe this cunt should just fuck off once and for all. 

Edited August 5 by Renton

[PaddockLad 17252]

Self skewered him to his face years ago. Thing is Farage is smart enough to know not to react to what he’s saying, just laugh along . I’d never underestimate the man in what he’s capable of…. 
 

 

[Gemmill 44853]

Priti Patel is so far the only one of the Tory candidates who has picked Farage up on his bullshit letter that he's posted. She actually seems to give a fuck about what's going on, unlike the rest of them. 

[wykikitoon 20129]

https://twitter.com/AudioRejectz/status/1819822672705913160

 

 

 

 

[Alex 35077]

51 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Critical thinking needs to be pushed in schools indeed, and some sort of civics course so that people understand the country they live in as a political entity, so they can understand what they're voting for. People need to have things like immigration explained to them while they're a captive audience, and not before the right has managed to get their tendrils into them. They can still choose to disagree with it after that of course, but at least they'd be doing so based on factual realities, and not hysteria.

I agree. I’d also add that a lot of the people involved in the bother are probably apathetic to the extent that they didn’t even bother voting reform. This is borne out of ignorance, in the true sense of the word. And it’s in large part because of the gap in schooling you mention. Simply loads of people are clueless about what political groups even stand for. Let alone checking our actual policies. This also leads to apathy being unevenly weighed towards younger people. Which suits a right wing establishment. It also leaves open a space for dangerous populist rhetoric. Which the Owen Jones brigade has been guilty of lately, as well as the usual suspects on the right. Both grifting off the ‘they’re all the same’ bollocks 

[PaddockLad 17252]

11 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Priti Patel is so far the only one of the Tory candidates who has picked Farage up on his bullshit letter that he's posted. She actually seems to give a fuck about what's going on, unlike the rest of them. 

 

[Gemmill 44853]

 

Good lad. Calling JHB out on her own channel. 

 

 

[RobinRobin 11263]

11 hours ago, strawb said:

That’s just off parliament road, used to be class butty shop there. Ran by Italian immigrants but none of them jobless smooth brains would know anything about the real boro. 
 

We had a massive docks, steel working and shipping industry which brought in goods and people from across the world, like my ancestors. It’s a real fucking shame to see a town that I know has decent people in it being dragged down by knuckle draggers. Honestly hit me harder than I thought this. 

Some hope

 

 

[wykikitoon 20129]

https://www.instagram.com/p/C-ST3fDqTWB/?igsh=bjhqcjV1ZXNnbHFi

 

 

[spongebob toonpants 3995]

1 hour ago, Renton said:

 

Ahhh, two-tier policing, the latest buzzword from the the facists. 

95% of immigration is legal. Therefore, how can it be uncontrolled? 

 

I can see a way around this. Maybe if we had a pooled Labour market with our European peers, we could allow young people to move throughout the continent to fill labour gaps where it is needed? This would happen organically according to market forces, and we all know the right wingers love the market, right? (Except Liz Truss). People of a similar culture could do seasonable jobs in agriculuture or hospitality, or even the shit factory jobs no British person want to do like food processing? Or provide social care for our elderly or medical care for the NHS? And then, they could freely move back once the job isn't needed any more or they have made enough money. And this could be reciprocal, giving the chance for our own kids to experience another European country? And we could have regulatory alignment and abolish all tariff and non-tariff barriers for goods while we are at it. Everybody would be a winner. Maybe we could call this the single market or something? 

 

Maybe I should propose this to Nigel to see what he thinks? Or maybe this cunt should just fuck off once and for all. 

I agree with every single word of this, and I really hate to be that guy again, but I wish Starmer would put this argument. We all know it's true, and his chances of being successful without making it shrink horribly

[Gemmill 44853]

 

 

At his frustration that his fellow Tommy Robinson fans have turned out to be idiots, and at "Christianity is Islam's top competitor". 

 

 

[Alex 35077]

Makes you think 

[Gemmill 44853]

Short thread. @Rentonthey're getting the ones in balaclavas too. 

 

No comment about the "sweating profusely" bit. 

 

 

 

[PaddockLad 17252]

 

[PaddockLad 17252]

 

[Gemmill 44853]

 

Old Lozza might be seeing even less of his kids before too long. 

 

 

[Gemmill 44853]

 

Love the bracketed content. When it says remanded, is that them spending the next month in jail til Sep 2? Or will they be out on bail? 

[Renton 21614]

1 hour ago, spongebob toonpants said:

I agree with every single word of this, and I really hate to be that guy again, but I wish Starmer would put this argument. We all know it's true, and his chances of being successful without making it shrink horribly

 

If he did, what would happen given the current state of the country? Would it calm things down or yet again would Farage and co. send out his henchmen to wreck our communities spreading the betrayal narrative? And again, what do you think the opinion of the EU would be, especially if the mere mention of rejoin ferments violent social unrest? What's the point of making an argument for something that is essentially untenable for decades? 

 

Farage broke what we had, probably irreversibly in our life times. And despite this, he is continuing to dominate the narrative and destroy the country. I hate the cunt with every fibre of my being. My anger and hatred are directed solely at hime and his accomplices, not people like Starmer who need a lot of time to move the ship in the right direction imo. Not 4 weeks. Starmer is literally fire fighting the damage the tories have done currently. 

[Renton 21614]

11 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Love the bracketed content. When it says remanded, is that them spending the next month in jail til Sep 2? Or will they be out on bail? 

 

Usually means kept in prison I think. If there is bail, hope its an amount she can't afford. 

[Gemmill 44853]

Labour are clearly working on closer relations with the EU. I'm hopeful that some sort of free movement for young people will come to pass. 

 

Now is clearly not the time for any of that though, as Renton says.