catmag 337 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 What was Tammy Wynette's part in all of this? She drove the ice-cream van. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Bollocks http://www.storyofmathematics.com/mathematicians.html Huh? You literally just linked an enormous list of mathematical advances between the building of the pyramids and the building of cathedrals. Are you seriously saying there were no advances in mathematics between the 3rd millennia BC and the middle ages? You're link doesn't, but are you? Before you answer. Maybe you should actually read the link you googled. This is your Viking alliance to take over England all over again. Try reading something ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Thats all i said - that they point to the lack of a full narrative. Renton thinks that pyramids were the only way to build large structures and therefore they dont. I would argue that because they have precision engineering in them that requires complex astronomical understanding, this upsets the normal way we tell human history. http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/pub/2004/9/astronomy-and-the-great-pyramid/3 I won't put words in Renton's mouth, but I really don't think he was talking about Egyptian astronomy, and the cardinal orientation of the pyramids. Nice article though. You can protest all you like, Egyptian astrology is well understood by historians. There are numerous possible explanations for the way the pyramids were built, orientated, or whatever. Some are even mentioned in the article you linked. Historians know how the Egyptians could have orientated the pyramids, but there is very little information available from Egyptian records on the matter of how they actually did it. There are reasons for this, owing to the esoteric nature of the Egyptian priestly caste, but I won't ruin your conspiracy buzz with boring facts. And, reality. Yuck. The lack of contemporary sources in no way, 'upsets the way we tell human history'. You sound like you really want to establish that gaps in historical understanding are a troubling issue. It's really not. Gaps in understanding are present in literally every field of study in the humanities. Don't take that gap and try and make it a chasm into which you throw all the poorly researched crap you've ever read. As for 'full narratives'. Let's do an experiment, that's something people do to test the veracity of their knowledge. Pick a topic in history. Not the 1066 invasion. We've done that one. Then check and see if the historical literature on that topic contains a 'full narrative'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Morning! No, just that Hippocrates and Pythagoras came after the Egyptians. Then things slow down until the early Rennaissance. The Egyptians were ahead of the Greeks and the Greeks laid the foundation for the next millennium. Anyway apparently the pyramids were made out of a type of concrete. http://mobile.nytimes.com/2008/04/23/world/africa/23iht-pyramid.1.12259608.html?pagewanted=all&referer=&_r=0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Morning. I haven't had much coffee yet, so I may be a bit grumpy. I'll apologise now. Can we pretend I said 'sorry' in advance. Edited September 29, 2015 by toonotl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 I won't put words in Renton's mouth, but I really don't think he was talking about Egyptian astronomy, and the cardinal orientation of the pyramids. Nice article though. You can protest all you like, Egyptian astrology is well understood by historians. There are numerous possible explanations for the way the pyramids were built, orientated, or whatever. Some are even mentioned in the article you linked. Historians know how the Egyptians could have orientated the pyramids, but there is very little information available from Egyptian records on the matter of how they actually did it. There are reasons for this, owing to the esoteric nature of the Egyptian priestly caste, but I won't ruin your conspiracy buzz with boring facts. And, reality. Yuck. The lack of contemporary sources in no way, 'upsets the way we tell human history'. You sound like you really want to establish that gaps in historical understanding are a troubling issue. It's really not. Gaps in understanding are present in literally every field of study in the humanities. Don't take that gap and try and make it a chasm into which you throw all the poorly researched crap you've ever read. As for 'full narratives'. Let's do an experiment, that's something people do to test the veracity of their knowledge. Pick a topic in history. Not the 1066 invasion. We've done that one. Then check and see if the historical literature on that topic contains a 'full narrative'. The Egyptians didn't do horoscopes, so you undermine the rest of that post. My contention that the Norman invasion wasn't 'French' but Viking and was facilitated either indirectly or directly by the concerted Viking invasions that had been going on since the 700s is a perfectly valid reading of the history of Britain. The Normans may have just been chancers and lucky that another raid was going on but the point was it had nowt to do with Parisian Kings / Franks who were what we would now call the French at the time. I seem to remember you conceding on that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Horoscopes? Ok. I'm done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 You're the one who mentioned astrology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Park Life 71 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Astronomy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Any books that you've read on the causational relationship between the sacking of Lindisfarne and the collapse of the Anglo-Saxon line of English nobility? Or are we just making wild links of causation with cautious desperation again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Second para. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Any books that you've read on the causational relationship between the sacking of Lindisfarne and the collapse of the Anglo-Saxon line of English nobility? Or are we just making wild links of causation with cautious desperation again? A book on how the Normans weren't French, yes. It's called '1000 Years of Annoying the French' by Stephen Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 Second para. Not that there was a distinction between astrology and astronomy in Ancient Egpyt, but I did mean to say astronomy for the sake of continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10873 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 But we're agreed that it wasn't aliens, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 No. It was aliens. And humans invaded England in 1066, directly or indirectly, because of Homo Erectus invading the Levant in 1.5 million years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChezGiven 0 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 But we're agreed that it wasn't aliens, right?Sometimes you don't need a shadowy 3rd party for there to be mystery. I mean it's not like we are discussing JFK.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2988 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 (edited) Yeah Davey. We're discussing an apparent avenue of communication between Yucatan and Nile Delta societies, prior to inter-continental seafaring. God. This is serious. Edited September 29, 2015 by toonotl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7034 Posted September 29, 2015 Share Posted September 29, 2015 As if there's a serious argument going on about Pyramids and Aliens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13894 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Love Parky pulling mad old shite out of his arse and being all "i thought everyone knew this" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7034 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Did you not know the moo moo's built the pyramids like? Amateur! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35118 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13894 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Oh, I see. The alien extraction beam is shaped like a pyramid. I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strawb 4270 Posted September 30, 2015 Share Posted September 30, 2015 Got a couple more photos from the breeder, pick her up next Wednesday. Been home a couple of hours. She was a saint in the car for nearly 2 hours. Got home, went mental, fed, pissed, shat. Is now asleep in her "crate" (apparently they aren't cages according to our lass). Think I have just signed my free time away by choice.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35118 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 Anyone seen this website before: http://www.lingscars.com/ Takes tacky to a whole new level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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