ChezGiven 0 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 So successive waves of British football supoporters who have travelled abroad over the last 5 decades to watch their team in Europe have all been indulging in a thoroughly middle class pursuit, and no doubt look on it as much the same as their fortnight in Tuscany or Provence in the summer? And there is always the undedifying sight of course of the" ladies who lunch" having an off with the local riot police Spending £500-700 on a 2 day trip to Lisbon out of holiday season is quite a luxury. If you've got that level of disposable income you're either on a decent income or you are in a narrow demographic that has minimum outgoings. For the majority, such trips abroad are out of the question or at least very difficult. I was equating this to a weekend break to a European capital, not 2 weeks in the south of France. Since the 80s there has been an increase in the numbers who travel abroad due to massively rising living standards and cheaper travel. Travel did not happen on the same scale before that. Just because everyone drinks, has a laugh and talks with local accents doesn't change the nature of the activity, an expensive trip abroad to a cultured European capital. Successive waves of supporters have been indulging in this very non working class activity whether they like it or not. Eating baked cod in a posh restaurant doesn't become fish and chips in a greasy cafe just because its you and your mates I don't have figures but I'd be surprised if the numbers traveling to round of 16, quarter finals in the 60s and 70s are anything like today. I'd wager since the 80s onwards when there was a huge increase in wealth there was a shift. Clearly the finals have always attracted large amounts of traveling supporters but not sure about earlier rounds in the 60s and 70s. Did we take nearly 4000 to the quarters in 69? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Yes but going to Spain for a fortnight I would say is now a working class standard which would have been unthinkable in the 60s/70s. Increasing living standards has applied across the board - I'd say a middle class travel standard now would be a long haul holiday with quite a few mini-breaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4858 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Yes but going to Spain for a fortnight I would say is now a working class standard which would have been unthinkable in the 60s/70s. Increasing living standards has applied across the board - I'd say a middle class travel standard now would be a long haul holiday with quite a few mini-breaks. And all thanks to thatchers Britain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4858 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Someone asked me to pop the racing on today as they had a horse running. So for a laugh a few of sitting there decided to quickly chuck a bet on. Probably years since Ive had a bet. £1 ew on a horse called Ubak romped home at 25-1 netting me £32 which will nicely pay for match day tomorrow. Well chuffed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33946 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Spending £500-700 on a 2 day trip to Lisbon out of holiday season is quite a luxury. If you've got that level of disposable income you're either on a decent income or you are in a narrow demographic that has minimum outgoings. For the majority, such trips abroad are out of the question or at least very difficult. I was equating this to a weekend break to a European capital, not 2 weeks in the south of France. Since the 80s there has been an increase in the numbers who travel abroad due to massively rising living standards and cheaper travel. Travel did not happen on the same scale before that. Just because everyone drinks, has a laugh and talks with local accents doesn't change the nature of the activity, an expensive trip abroad to a cultured European capital. Successive waves of supporters have been indulging in this very non working class activity whether they like it or not. Eating baked cod in a posh restaurant doesn't become fish and chips in a greasy cafe just because its you and your mates I don't have figures but I'd be surprised if the numbers traveling to round of 16, quarter finals in the 60s and 70s are anything like today. I'd wager since the 80s onwards when there was a huge increase in wealth there was a shift. Clearly the finals have always attracted large amounts of traveling supporters but not sure about earlier rounds in the 60s and 70s. Did we take nearly 4000 to the quarters in 69? I doubt anyone in the '69 quarters could have got there as cheap as say Paddocklad did for this tie, (£89 plane, £42 train IIRC?) obviously allowing for inflation. My pal got there for £250 on the thursday including his nights digs, so he basically spent no more than £400 and will leave him skint for the month. A few of the people who went to this game wont be having a traditional 'family' holiday either because they haven't got a family to take or couldn't afford a two week break but could maybe stretch to a couple of European trips? Bruges and Benfica being the two best attended by our travelling support for what, £800 all in for both if not cheaper? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22032 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Mackem's clearly not middle class using Chez's criteria. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 22032 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Someone asked me to pop the racing on today as they had a horse running. So for a laugh a few of sitting there decided to quickly chuck a bet on. Probably years since Ive had a bet. £1 ew on a horse called Ubak romped home at 25-1 netting me £32 which will nicely pay for match day tomorrow. Well chuffed Bookmark this. CT's latest addiction, and the beginning of his descent into bankruptcy and divorce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4411 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 And all thanks to thatchers Britain Explain how the countries with policies opposite to hers progressed more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4858 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Explain how the countries with policies opposite to hers progressed more. No Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17730 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Spending £500-700 on a 2 day trip to Lisbon out of holiday season is quite a luxury. If you've got that level of disposable income you're either on a decent income or you are in a narrow demographic that has minimum outgoings. For the majority, such trips abroad are out of the question or at least very difficult. I was equating this to a weekend break to a European capital, not 2 weeks in the south of France. Since the 80s there has been an increase in the numbers who travel abroad due to massively rising living standards and cheaper travel. Travel did not happen on the same scale before that. Just because everyone drinks, has a laugh and talks with local accents doesn't change the nature of the activity, an expensive trip abroad to a cultured European capital. Successive waves of supporters have been indulging in this very non working class activity whether they like it or not. Eating baked cod in a posh restaurant doesn't become fish and chips in a greasy cafe just because its you and your mates I don't have figures but I'd be surprised if the numbers traveling to round of 16, quarter finals in the 60s and 70s are anything like today. I'd wager since the 80s onwards when there was a huge increase in wealth there was a shift. Clearly the finals have always attracted large amounts of traveling supporters but not sure about earlier rounds in the 60s and 70s. Did we take nearly 4000 to the quarters in 69? No, but we didn't have Ryanair then either....largely agree with what you say about income, but that is the difference, not class. Or are we saying the old middle class that would run a fuckin mile from a load of folk drinking beer and singing before a football match has disappeared, and the only people who can't afford a weekend or two abroad during the year are those too lazy to get a job in the first place?...its a tricky one, but there are a range of other factors too...possibly not many who went midweek had two or three teenage kids to bring up, in saying that it certainly didn't look like it and if the kids are in a single parent family being brought up by the mother then the state is likely to be taking the strain, leaving more disposable income for the old man for a jolly up. Not many of the Provence set are on tax credits as far as I know..btw the baked cod was lovely, but the other 3 had burger and chips, and 8 euros a head would indicate it wasn't exactly "posh" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4858 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Is it possible to get subtitled porn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10977 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Is it possible to get subtitled porn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43223 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face 29 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 For the deaf. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10977 Posted April 6, 2013 Share Posted April 6, 2013 For the deaf. , but CT isn't deaf? Also, I'm concerned* he's going to combine his latest 2 passions and grunt along to a porn film on his new karaoke machine... *terrified/appalled/aghast/bilious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7191 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Who the fuck wants to listen to the dialogue in Porn? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31237 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 CT, your daughter still browsing the forum much these days? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14090 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Porn dialogue can be quite funny sometimes. Everyone involved knows the crack, knows its a scummy and dirty industry so anyone that makes a good joke about it is always welcome. Then you have the classics like "Cover your eyes, I'm gan to chuck me muck" and "fucking hell love, it's like a mouse's ear" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43223 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 " Whoaaa! You've Cathflaps like John Wayne's saddlebags!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 "Chuck me muck" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 43223 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 "Ich bin gekommen, um die Wasserleitungen zu beheben" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14090 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 " Whoaaa! You've Cathflaps like John Wayne's saddlebags!" "Fucking hell, pet, watch what you're doing. You're gan to rip Kojak's jacket right off here, man" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monroe Transfer 0 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I'd pay to watch AH in a porn film. Wait, that came out wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 14090 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 I'd pay to watch AH in a porn film. Wait, that came out wrong. If you want, I'll leave a tape recorder out next time I have sex and I'll make sure to throw in some funny lines amongst all the crying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17730 Posted April 7, 2013 Share Posted April 7, 2013 Anyone seen the Ashington Group Collection at Woodhorn Mueseum?...we were there a couple weeks ago. Very interesting if you like your North East social history. Ordered a couple of prints "Fish Sale" by Harry Wilson and "Dawn" by George Brownrigg. http://www.ashingtongroup.co.uk/artists1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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