adios 717 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Could you be a bit more specific please? 111373[/snapback] I'm not quite sure what you mean, to put it at its simplest: If 2,000 users vote on a poll and then the same 2,000 users sign a petition, that doesn't equal 4,000 people. 2,000 people voted for Hitzfeld in an internet poll. You claim a further 2,000 signed an online petition, therefore you're adding the 2 together and coming up with a figure of 4,000. It would be normal to assume a very similar group (Newcastle fans/Hitzfeld fans/Internet Users/etc.), of which there are a relatively small number, using 2 approval mechanisms being distributed largely in the same space as overlapping, unless you had specific data available to indicate otherwise. Then expand that example out to include the support emails you have received and any other means of calculating figures you are using. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isegrim 9775 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 I'm sure our German readers await the German version with bated breath. 111405[/snapback] Thanks, but I am not suffering from sleep disorder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 That toon dossier is quite interesting. Did you know 16% of the people of Newcastle practice irreligion, as opposed to over 70% who are Christian? Jesus wept. Edit: it's here btw in case anyone is interested. http://www.newcastle-online.com/toondoss.pdf I'm sure our German readers await the German version with bated breath. 111405[/snapback] It looks like it's just an internet copy+paste job. I'd be slightly concerned about the focus: 2 pages on Newcastle United; 4 on the railway and 20 on golf-courses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radgina 1 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 That toon dossier is quite interesting. Did you know 16% of the people of Newcastle practice irreligion, as opposed to over 70% who are Christian? Jesus wept. Edit: it's here btw in case anyone is interested. http://www.newcastle-online.com/toondoss.pdf I'm sure our German readers await the German version with bated breath. 111405[/snapback] It looks like it's just an internet copy+paste job. I'd be slightly concerned about the focus: 2 pages on Newcastle United; 4 on the railway and 20 on golf-courses. 111410[/snapback] I just looked at the pictures as I got bored..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythetoon 0 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Could you be a bit more specific please? 111373[/snapback] I'm not quite sure what you mean, to put it at its simplest: If 2,000 users vote on a poll and then the same 2,000 users sign a petition, that doesn't equal 4,000 people. 2,000 people voted for Hitzfeld in an internet poll. You claim a further 2,000 signed an online petition, therefore you're adding the 2 together and coming up with a figure of 4,000. It would be normal to assume a very similar group (Newcastle fans/Hitzfeld fans/Internet Users/etc.), of which there are a relatively small number, using 2 approval mechanisms being distributed largely in the same space as overlapping, unless you had specific data available to indicate otherwise. Then expand that example out to include the support emails you have received and any other means of calculating figures you are using. 111406[/snapback] Semantics tbh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Semantics tbh. 111465[/snapback] I really hope you're joking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythetoon 0 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Semantics tbh. 111465[/snapback] I really hope you're joking. 111468[/snapback] Why, will I get wrong or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Why, will I get wrong or something? 111470[/snapback] The example I gave offered a real 100% difference in the statistics, a pretty perfect example of an un-semantical argument; I'm assuming you're using words you don't understand. Whenever someone tries to nicely explain where you're making an error, you don't listen. I'm just suggesting you look at your figures if you're not trying to mislead all the people who have faith in you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Semantics tbh. 111465[/snapback] I really hope you're joking. 111468[/snapback] I hoped he was too! The way you set it out could not have been more simple, Dotbum, in showing exactly what you meant i.e. the adding up of the same people twice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythetoon 0 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Why, will I get wrong or something? 111470[/snapback] The example I gave offered a real 100% difference in the statistics, a pretty perfect example of an un-semantical argument; I'm assuming you're using words you don't understand. Whenever someone tries to nicely explain where you're making an error, you don't listen. I'm just suggesting you look at your figures if you're not trying to mislead all the people who have faith in you. 111472[/snapback] You over analyse too much. You read what you want to read, you've looked at those figures and automatically assumed that we are viewing the poll results and the petition results as two different things, and that we have then added the two together to come to our final figure. Why on here does every thread or post descend into a battle of semantics, or as in Bum's case, who can be the most patronising wanker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snakehips 0 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 You over analyse too much. You read what you want to read, you've looked at those figures and automatically assumed that we are viewing the poll results and the petition results as two different things, and that we have then added the two together to come to our final figure. Why on here does every thread or post descend into a battle of semantics, or as in Bum's case, who can be the most patronising wanker? 111479[/snapback] Hey, leave us jews out of it!! Okay, a shit joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythetoon 0 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 http://www.hitzfeldforthetoon.com/interview.php Others believe we are wasting our time, or are making fools of ourselves, while one fan from another forum went to extreme lengths by attempting to set up an elaborate hoax, creating false e-mails and a website pretending to be a reporter from Germany and wanting to do an interview with us. Luckily we quickly realised it was all a hoax. But it is good to see that HTT is at least keeping the questions short when he is soliloquising... 111109[/snapback] We had you sussed all along man... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Why, will I get wrong or something? 111470[/snapback] The example I gave offered a real 100% difference in the statistics, a pretty perfect example of an un-semantical argument; I'm assuming you're using words you don't understand. Whenever someone tries to nicely explain where you're making an error, you don't listen. I'm just suggesting you look at your figures if you're not trying to mislead all the people who have faith in you. 111472[/snapback] No, never......HTT would never do something like that..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21622 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 That toon dossier is quite interesting. Did you know 16% of the people of Newcastle practice irreligion, as opposed to over 70% who are Christian? Jesus wept. Edit: it's here btw in case anyone is interested. http://www.newcastle-online.com/toondoss.pdf I'm sure our German readers await the German version with bated breath. 111405[/snapback] It looks like it's just an internet copy+paste job. I'd be slightly concerned about the focus: 2 pages on Newcastle United; 4 on the railway and 20 on golf-courses. 111410[/snapback] Aye, it is. One of the most useful things about Google is it's great at detecting blatent plagiarism. None of this "dossier" is original, it's all cut and pasted from wikipedia and such. I'm not saying that it was claimed the document was original, but what a waste of time. Why on Earth would Hitzfeld want to read this gash? Peaspud has obviously spent a fair bit of time on his hoax, but at least it's given most of us a laugh as well as exposing how shoddy journalism can be (not that that's a surprise). Anyway, how do you practise irreligion? An oxymoron, Shirley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Kenneth Noisewater 0 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 Surely an irrelavant religion would be ideal for this country as we only go to church for weddings and funerals? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21622 Posted March 28, 2006 Share Posted March 28, 2006 That toon dossier is quite interesting. Did you know 16% of the people of Newcastle practice irreligion, as opposed to over 70% who are Christian? Jesus wept. Edit: it's here btw in case anyone is interested. http://www.newcastle-online.com/toondoss.pdf I'm sure our German readers await the German version with bated breath. 111405[/snapback] It looks like it's just an internet copy+paste job. I'd be slightly concerned about the focus: 2 pages on Newcastle United; 4 on the railway and 20 on golf-courses. 111410[/snapback] Aye, it is. One of the most useful things about Google is it's great at detecting blatent plagiarism. None of this "dossier" is original, it's all cut and pasted from wikipedia and such. I'm not saying that it was claimed the document was original, but what a waste of time. Why on Earth would Hitzfeld want to read this gash? Peaspud has obviously spent a fair bit of time on his hoax, but at least it's given most of us a laugh as well as exposing how shoddy journalism can be (not that that's a surprise). Anyway, how do you practise irreligion? An oxymoron, Shirley. 111511[/snapback] Jesus wept, no-one told you to read it and it wasn't just created for the Hitzfeld thing and again, no-one said it was an original piece or a stunning account of all things Newcastle/Geordie. I can't help feeling some of the remarks of late are borne out of petty past rivalries or some other personal agenda type shit. Get a life you sad bastards, sitting picking away at every nook and cranny of every piece of text, word, comment or whatever from the Hitzfeld thing or N.O At least Peasepud was original. 111516[/snapback] If you publish something on the internet, expect criticism. I was just curious as to what the point was of making a "dossier" consisting entirely of other people's work stitched together from the internet (all unreferenced and uncredited), and more to the point, in what way did you think this was going to influence Hitzfeld? Did you really think he was going to say "Wow, Look at all ze golf courzes near Newcastle, I must zign for them?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythetoon 0 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 That toon dossier is quite interesting. Did you know 16% of the people of Newcastle practice irreligion, as opposed to over 70% who are Christian? Jesus wept. Edit: it's here btw in case anyone is interested. http://www.newcastle-online.com/toondoss.pdf I'm sure our German readers await the German version with bated breath. 111405[/snapback] It looks like it's just an internet copy+paste job. I'd be slightly concerned about the focus: 2 pages on Newcastle United; 4 on the railway and 20 on golf-courses. 111410[/snapback] Aye, it is. One of the most useful things about Google is it's great at detecting blatent plagiarism. None of this "dossier" is original, it's all cut and pasted from wikipedia and such. I'm not saying that it was claimed the document was original, but what a waste of time. Why on Earth would Hitzfeld want to read this gash? Peaspud has obviously spent a fair bit of time on his hoax, but at least it's given most of us a laugh as well as exposing how shoddy journalism can be (not that that's a surprise). Anyway, how do you practise irreligion? An oxymoron, Shirley. 111511[/snapback] Jesus wept, no-one told you to read it and it wasn't just created for the Hitzfeld thing and again, no-one said it was an original piece or a stunning account of all things Newcastle/Geordie. I can't help feeling some of the remarks of late are borne out of petty past rivalries or some other personal agenda type shit. Get a life you sad bastards, sitting picking away at every nook and cranny of every piece of text, word, comment or whatever from the Hitzfeld thing or N.O At least Peasepud was original. 111516[/snapback] If you publish something on the internet, expect criticism. I was just curious as to what the point was of making a "dossier" consisting entirely of other people's work stitched together from the internet (all unreferenced and uncredited), and more to the point, in what way did you think this was going to influence Hitzfeld? Did you really think he was going to say "Wow, Look at all ze golf courzes near Newcastle, I must zign for them?" 111526[/snapback] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythetoon 0 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 That toon dossier is quite interesting. Did you know 16% of the people of Newcastle practice irreligion, as opposed to over 70% who are Christian? Jesus wept. Edit: it's here btw in case anyone is interested. http://www.newcastle-online.com/toondoss.pdf I'm sure our German readers await the German version with bated breath. 111405[/snapback] It looks like it's just an internet copy+paste job. I'd be slightly concerned about the focus: 2 pages on Newcastle United; 4 on the railway and 20 on golf-courses. 111410[/snapback] Aye, it is. One of the most useful things about Google is it's great at detecting blatent plagiarism. None of this "dossier" is original, it's all cut and pasted from wikipedia and such. I'm not saying that it was claimed the document was original, but what a waste of time. Why on Earth would Hitzfeld want to read this gash? Peaspud has obviously spent a fair bit of time on his hoax, but at least it's given most of us a laugh as well as exposing how shoddy journalism can be (not that that's a surprise). Anyway, how do you practise irreligion? An oxymoron, Shirley. 111511[/snapback] Jesus wept, no-one told you to read it and it wasn't just created for the Hitzfeld thing and again, no-one said it was an original piece or a stunning account of all things Newcastle/Geordie. I can't help feeling some of the remarks of late are borne out of petty past rivalries or some other personal agenda type shit. Get a life you sad bastards, sitting picking away at every nook and cranny of every piece of text, word, comment or whatever from the Hitzfeld thing or N.O At least Peasepud was original. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catmag 337 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 There was huuuuuuuge over-reporting of golf courses in that dossier like! It was quite an interesting read up until that point. I found it quite funny that it was supposed to be information on the local area and then I came across a detailed despcription of Sunningdale golf course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howaythetoon 0 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 There was huuuuuuuge over-reporting of golf courses in that dossier like! It was quite an interesting read up until that point. I found it quite funny that it was supposed to be information on the local area and then I came across a detailed despcription of Sunningdale golf course... 111530[/snapback] I skip past the golf stuff, don't see the fascination with it myself, boring game for boring people. Probably Hitzfeld's only weakness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak 0 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 There was huuuuuuuge over-reporting of golf courses in that dossier like! It was quite an interesting read up until that point. I found it quite funny that it was supposed to be information on the local area and then I came across a detailed despcription of Sunningdale golf course... 111530[/snapback] I skip past the golf stuff, don't see the fascination with it myself, boring game for boring people. Probably Hitzfeld's only weakness 111531[/snapback] Proper legend and all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 how the hell hid Renton manage to quote something in post 291 that wouldnt be said til post 293? *cue scary music Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20137 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 Pease, you are one class dude, reading through this, this morning has made me laugh and forget about the pain in my knee. Class Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peasepud 59 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 hey! I've been called a "class dude" makes all the threats worthwhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adios 717 Posted March 29, 2006 Share Posted March 29, 2006 Jesus wept, no-one told you to read it and it wasn't just created for the Hitzfeld thing and again, no-one said it was an original piece or a stunning account of all things Newcastle/Geordie. I can't help feeling some of the remarks of late are borne out of petty past rivalries or some other personal agenda type shit. Get a life you sad bastards, sitting picking away at every nook and cranny of every piece of text, word, comment or whatever from the Hitzfeld thing or N.O At least Peasepud was original. 111529[/snapback] You're the one acting the cyber-warrior, like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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