Harvey Barnes

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4315]

Thought he deserves his own thread. Has beat ASMs goal tally in 64 less games apparently 

[Sonatine 12208]

 

Tbf, he doesn't have ASMs bandages to slow him down 

[aimaad22 4911]

1 minute ago, Sonatine said:

 

 

Tbf, he's not disabled by undying love for cabbage heed 

 

FYP

[London 70]

If Gordon is a headless chook, wonder what the likely designation would have been for Barnes if Ibrahim was still around.

[Rayvin 6301]

He's been great with a run in the team behind him. Goes to show mind, we were all writing him off not long ago

[Kitman 2467]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

He's been great with a run in the team behind him. Goes to show mind, we were all writing him off not long ago

I thought we should sell him in the summer

[RobElliott 1919]

5 hours ago, London said:

If Gordon is a headless chook, wonder what the likely designation would have been for Barnes if Ibrahim was still around.

 

Ah Ibrahim... can't say I miss the cunt! Although he was on ignore the fecking whopper 

[RobinRobin 12782]

6 hours ago, Kitman said:

I thought we should sell him in the summer

Ditto  

Although, perhaps he is just increasing his transfer value 

Edited yesterday at 04:19 by RobinRobin

[Dr Gloom 24121]

14 hours ago, Rayvin said:

He's been great with a run in the team behind him. Goes to show mind, we were all writing him off not long ago

a couple of months ago the consensus was he might be one to leave in the summer. Gordon’s moment of madness opened the door and gave him a chance - could have been his last chance for us if he didn’t take it - but he’s been brilliant.
 

The best thing about his uptick in form is his overall contribution. He’s always been a goal threat but looked a bit of a one trick pony, always looking to cut in and shoot on his right, and often seemed to go missing in games when he wasn’t scoring. The most impressive thing about this run he’s had since the cup final is the work he’s doing off the ball. He’s much more involved in games now - both in build up and defensively.
 

Barnes and Gordon are clearly our two best wingers technically - shame neither of them fancy playing on the right - but Gordon will have to wait for his chance to get back in. How do you drop Murphy or Barnes when they’re both contributing goals and assists?

[Gemmill 51862]

He's dead confident in front of goal as well, which is what I thought we were getting when we signed him. Now that he's had a run and a chance to prove himself, I wouldn't be surprised if he gave a much better account of himself on the right hand side, if called upon. 

[Alex 37578]

If we do get CL qualification there should be plenty of game time for him and Gordon in their favoured position. I thought both his goals were excellent as the first one is only a tap in because of his anticipation and working hard to get into that position. The second one showed his directness and finishing ability. Of course it was all about Man Utd poor defending  in hindsight someone should have fouled him at best from opposition’s pov 

[Dougle 3801]

I reckon Gordon might be off in the summer.

Just a hunch.

Value increased and seems somewhat unsettled at times.

[Toonpack 11969]

3 minutes ago, Dougle said:

I reckon Gordon might be off in the summer.

 

Just a hunch.

 

Value increased and seems somewhat unsettled at times.

 

Despite all his interviews saying he loves the place 🤷‍♂️

[Dougle 3801]

4 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

Despite all his interviews saying he loves the place 🤷‍♂️

 

Like I say just a hunch and his celebrations of late, which seem a wee bit on the fuck you side.

And as I said his value has increased and Fat Mitch likes a good financial turnover.

[Gemmill 51862]

Oooooeeee a prediction from Dougie. Absolutely BESIDE MYSELF to see how this one works out. 

 

[Dougle 3801]

9 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Oooooeeee a prediction from Dougie. Absolutely BESIDE MYSELF to see how this one works out. 

 

 

Thanks.

 

A hunch is slightly less solid than a prediction or Mitch's expanded wasteline.

And as for prediction form.....

 

[toonotl 3552]

If we're making predictions*, a much more likely unexpected sale would be Longstaff. He's clearly important for the domestically trained player count for Europe. But other than that, (as others have mentioned heaps) he's not a very effective bench player since his strengths are mostly endurance based and he seems to play better the more consistently he gets to play (which won't be the case next season similarly to the second half of this season). Also, he's pure profit in PSR terms, which means we'd make similar PSR headroom for ourselves from selling him for 20-25m as we would from trying to sell Gordon for 60-80m. And, we would have mostly or even exclusively non-rivals in the market for Longstaff compared to our direct rivals being in for Gordon, which means selling Longstaff "weakens" us less in a relative sense in addition to the reduced real difference in each actual player's ability. We'd also arguably have an easier time selling Longstaff in general since there are more clubs who can afford him. And, arguably the only club that would be in for Gordon that constitutes an upward move would be Liverpool. And they will likely have their money tied up trying to replace TAA and future planning for Salah's imminent departure. In other words, I'd be incredibly surprised if we agreed to sell Gordon and I'd also be surprised if Gordon wanted to leave. But, hey, I'm not a body language expert.  

 

* can 100% trust that Dougie made a prediction disguised as a hunch. (We're rolling with it now. Good luck, Dougie. Credibility on the line. ) 

Edited 15 hours ago by toonotl

[Kitman 2467]

I also think we'll sell Longstaff. He's dropped down the pecking order and would be one to upgrade for squad depth. He's probably played his best football for us so now would be the time to cash in with an eye on PSR.

[Andrew 5385]

5 hours ago, Kitman said:

I also think we'll sell Longstaff. He's dropped down the pecking order and would be one to upgrade for squad depth. He's probably played his best football for us so now would be the time to cash in with an eye on PSR.

Im not sure where the value is on that one.

We squared away PSR with Anderson and Minteh going and we're just about to see the back of our most expensive/least lucrative years under this ownership. We've got 20 million coming in from Kelly (probably).

We have four competitions to compete in next season and we realistically want to properly compete in the top end/latter stages of at least two.

 

We need depth and I don't think any money we'd make from Longstaff stacks up to having an experienced, competent PL level player who wants to be here even if he isn't first choice.

 

[ewerk 33851]

I just don’t think he’s very good.

[PaddockLad 19464]

24 minutes ago, ewerk said:

I just don’t think he’s very good.

He’s nowhere near good enough for where the club is aiming for…

[Howmanheyman 37600]

Going from Eddie's 'Presser' ©CT the other week he may well go unless it was a calculated shake up of Sean to up his game. The reasons for him going are obvious but that's the same for him staying. It could boil down to who comes in and who doesn't whether he gets to stay but we need to be better at selling so 'hot Mitch' says and he's right in the long run I just don't think he worded it right and selling wasn't really a viable option when he said it as we had few players who could generate cash who weren't badly needed and the players we could let go weren't in demand. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Howmanheyman

[ewerk 33851]

Longstaff seems like a good lad, always gives 100% when he's out there and obviously comes from a good family but he hasn't progressed much in recent years. He's had a good run in the side in a strong midfield but still hasn't stood out as anything other than a worker. He's 27 and will only have a year left on his contract come the summer so from a financial POV this is definitely the time to sell him.

[Alex 37578]

Aye. He’s gone dependent on a decent offer. And if we have to then someone like Neave will take his place for the academy player (or however it’s termed) in the squad for European games. I take Andrew’s point but he’s not got enough quality in terms technical ability. If I’m wrong I am not that bothered because I definitely think he’s still a decent squad player 

[Dr Gloom 24121]

He’s had a great career at Newcastle and can be proud that he’s been so involved in the squad for so long after the takeover given his technical levels aren’t as high as a lot of the new additions - he was still keeping Sandro out of the team at times earlier this season, which is remarkable really and a testament to the work Sean gets through on the pitch.  There were times in the past few seasons where we just looked better with Sean in the side, despite there seemingly being better options on the bench. 
 

You can’t question his attitude and I wouldn’t object to him staying on as 5th/6th choice CM. But Sean may prefer to play first team football at this stage of his career and you’d imagine there would be plenty of suitors in the PL or abroad. We should also be able to get £20-30m of pure profit for a peak age English CM with PL and CL experience.