Gemmill 51309 Posted Friday at 15:49 Share Posted Friday at 15:49 10 teams are now owned by Americans. So enough to vote together to block things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 11349 Posted Friday at 15:51 Share Posted Friday at 15:51 1 minute ago, Gemmill said: 10 teams are now owned by Americans. So enough to vote together to block things. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3760 Posted Friday at 16:23 Share Posted Friday at 16:23 32 minutes ago, Gemmill said: 10 teams are now owned by Americans. So enough to vote together to block things. Think it's 11? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 51309 Posted Friday at 16:25 Share Posted Friday at 16:25 Just now, Dougle said: Think it's 11? Could be. This is what I get when I googled it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3760 Posted Friday at 16:42 Share Posted Friday at 16:42 13 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Could be. This is what I get when I googled it. List of owners of English football clubs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs Not all full owners but 11 involved 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 5326 Posted Friday at 19:24 Share Posted Friday at 19:24 Ipswich will go down but sheffield united, leeds and burnley (current top 3 in the championship) all are. Thing is that it would require american billionaires to work together and Im not sure theyre capable of that. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7832 Posted Friday at 19:55 Share Posted Friday at 19:55 Bournemouth, Palace, Ipswich and Fulham aren't going to be voting for rule changes that keep Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal at the top of the table, just because their owners happen to be the same nationality Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 51309 Posted Friday at 20:40 Share Posted Friday at 20:40 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Bournemouth, Palace, Ipswich and Fulham aren't going to be voting for rule changes that keep Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal at the top of the table, just because their owners happen to be the same nationality What are you talking about? The rules as they currently stand are the rules because a two thirds majority of the league voted to make them that way. You've literally had AT LEAST 14 clubs voting to preserve the sanctity of the big 6 for YEARS. Given that, it's hardly a preposterous notion to think that owners of the same nationality might work together. Especially when 4 of them are IN the big 6. You only need another 3 teams to block every vote. Edited Friday at 20:43 by Gemmill 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23967 Posted Friday at 21:48 Share Posted Friday at 21:48 53 minutes ago, Gemmill said: What are you talking about? The rules as they currently stand are the rules because a two thirds majority of the league voted to make them that way. You've literally had AT LEAST 14 clubs voting to preserve the sanctity of the big 6 for YEARS. Given that, it's hardly a preposterous notion to think that owners of the same nationality might work together. Especially when 4 of them are IN the big 6. You only need another 3 teams to block every vote. the rules are designed to slow Man City and stop NUFC. No coincidence that they were brought in right after our takeover. PIF have way more cash to extract from APT than even the Qataris. The rest of the clubs voted to stop the PL becoming a two borse race but in reality they have protected the status quo of cartel clubs and prevented them from attracting takeovers by similarly wealthy owners. On the flip side it has made for a more competitive league this year. Even the “big six” have had to curtail spending to an extent, other than Chelsea who continue to brazenly flout the rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 51309 Posted yesterday at 04:26 Share Posted yesterday at 04:26 6 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: the rules are designed to slow Man City and stop NUFC. No coincidence that they were brought in right after our takeover. PIF have way more cash to extract from APT than even the Qataris. The rest of the clubs voted to stop the PL becoming a two borse race but in reality they have protected the status quo of cartel clubs and prevented them from attracting takeovers by similarly wealthy owners. On the flip side it has made for a more competitive league this year. Even the “big six” have had to curtail spending to an extent, other than Chelsea who continue to brazenly flout the rules PSR has been in place a lot longer than the rule changes they made in 2021 which were aimed specifically at NUFC, and have also affected Man City. And it was always designed (or at least had the effect of) protecting the top 6, and 2/3 of the division has consistently voted in favour. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3475 Posted yesterday at 05:43 Share Posted yesterday at 05:43 (edited) Man City are running a flawless media campagin prior to the 115 charges coming to a head. They've shown once that the PL administrators are incompetent at the very least if not outright corrupt. Moreover, once the self-governing aspects are included it's shown that the PL operates a system that absolutely protects the interests of certain clubs with grandfathered wealth against "new money" clubs for no reason outside of a "we were here first" clause. And now City are gonna show them up again because they'll win again. Because nothing has changed. They're in effect poisoning the well but doing so not through dishonesty or underhandedness. They're simply shining a light on how the PL works for certain clubs and against others. Theyre merely using the truth. What a refreshingly novel idea. Any negative result for them from the 115 charges is ready to be framed as a continuation of a systematic attempt to maintain a certain order to things to their detriment. And, in so many ways, they're 100% right. Gotta say, it's genius. I love it. And aside from it potentially benefiting us as the other new money upstart, I would love it anyway because fuck Arsenal, Chelsea, ManU, and the others thinking they have a divine right to win silverware.* And fuck their lickspittle helpers too. *not that it's really about silverware for the yanks. It's about "franchises" acting as vehicles for wealth generation and ego boosts for nutcases. Just more capitalist psychopath gear really at the end of the day. Edited yesterday at 05:52 by toonotl 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7832 Posted yesterday at 07:06 Share Posted yesterday at 07:06 10 hours ago, Gemmill said: What are you talking about? The rules as they currently stand are the rules because a two thirds majority of the league voted to make them that way. You've literally had AT LEAST 14 clubs voting to preserve the sanctity of the big 6 for YEARS. Given that, it's hardly a preposterous notion to think that owners of the same nationality might work together. Especially when 4 of them are IN the big 6. You only need another 3 teams to block every vote. I mean that theory works for Sheffield United voting with NUFC in favour of allowing loans between clubs under the same ownership. But we all know why other Saudi's aren't going to vote against MBS/PIF. But American owned Villa voted FOR changes to the associated part sponsorship rules, which Arsenal, Liverpool etc were dead against, just 6 months ago. So your theory is demonstrably untrue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 23967 Posted yesterday at 07:07 Share Posted yesterday at 07:07 2 hours ago, Gemmill said: PSR has been in place a lot longer than the rule changes they made in 2021 which were aimed specifically at NUFC, and have also affected Man City. And it was always designed (or at least had the effect of) protecting the top 6, and 2/3 of the division has consistently voted in favour. I was talking specifically about APT, which was introduced just after the takeover in 2021 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19360 Posted yesterday at 07:21 Share Posted yesterday at 07:21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 51309 Posted yesterday at 07:25 Share Posted yesterday at 07:25 The PL has let them get away with everything else. I hold out little hope that they're about to make a stand here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 3475 Posted yesterday at 08:17 Share Posted yesterday at 08:17 It'll go through. No doubt about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobElliott 1879 Posted yesterday at 08:39 Share Posted yesterday at 08:39 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: Are we sure its not an accounting error and should in fact be £200? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 37205 Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago Maybe we should do whatever the fuck we want as well and just have talks with uefa about a payoff? 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 10579 Posted 22 hours ago Share Posted 22 hours ago 38 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: Maybe we should do whatever the fuck we want as well and just have talks with uefa about a payoff? aye, we've been soft as shite up to now, embarrassingly so in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 37327 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago (edited) I think HMHM was being sarcastic because we wouldn’t be allowed to get away with it. Our approach is far more sustainable and has also produced incredible results. I get the impatience because I’m no spring chicken but I don’t think pulling the sort of shit Chelsea are doing would be beneficial in the long run. It absolutely fucking stinks what Chelsea are being permitted to do though Edited 21 hours ago by Alex 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 51309 Posted 21 hours ago Share Posted 21 hours ago They've won fuck all doing it too. Not like us sexy bastards. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 11825 Posted 20 hours ago Share Posted 20 hours ago Stefan Borson's take on Chelsea https://stefanborson.substack.com/p/explained-how-chelsea-finally-killed?triedRedirect=true 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 19360 Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago If PSR was supposed to protect Europe’s “biggest” clubs (aye, fuck off Chelsea on that number however you’re measuring it) then it’s blatantly failing… https://archive.is/t7RRi 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 7773 Posted 8 hours ago Share Posted 8 hours ago I think the original idea of PSR was that clubs should be pretty much sustainable on their own. PSR has just happened by chance to benefit the clubs already in a strong position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 12686 Posted 5 hours ago Share Posted 5 hours ago 3 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: I think the original idea of PSR was that clubs should be pretty much sustainable on their own. PSR has just happened by chance to benefit the clubs already in a strong position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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