New Ground vs Upgraded SJP

[thebrokendoll 10301]

9 hours ago, Renton said:

The puzzling thing for me is we could achieve 65k by expanding the Gallowgate. Which would keep us in our spiritual home and be cheaper. I don't see the point of moving under those circumstances. 

 

spiritual home?

there's fuck all left of the ground as it was when I was a kid, even the patch of grass in the middle has been altered.

used to love the smell from the brewery me, its been replaced by the stench of ashley and sports direct and it still fucking reeks of him, along with the odour of decades and decades of failure.

half the cunts that inhabit the place can't stand the other half and both feel justified in doing so. not only that, in the vast, vast majority of games all but a handful don't even bother supporting the fucking team, it's not even like they don't know the words to the songs, they do, as shown in games against psg and arsenal, they just literally can't usually be arsed.

the sooner they raze the fucking place to the ground the better.

 

[Holden McGroin 7640]

7 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

spiritual home?

there's fuck all left of the ground as it was when I was a kid, even the patch of grass in the middle has been altered.

used to love the smell from the brewery me, its been replaced by the stench of ashley and sports direct and it still fucking reeks of him, along with the odour of decades and decades of failure.

half the cunts that inhabit the place can't stand the other half and both feel justified in doing so. not only that, in the vast, vast majority of games all but a handful don't even bother supporting the fucking team, it's not even like they don't know the words to the songs, they do, as shown in games against psg and arsenal, they just literally can't usually be arsed.

the sooner they raze the fucking place to the ground the better.

 

[Craig 6820]

13 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

I would like to buy a season ticket. I contacted the club recently and was told there are none available and nor is there a waiting list. I was hoping I might get one if or when a new stadium is ever built. I’m not optimistic I’ll get one given the scramble for tickets in every membership ballot. That’s why I was hoping for a bigger capacity 

You, not optimistic?! Fuck me, I need to sit down (whether there’s enough seats or not)

[Craig 6820]

14 hours ago, Toonpack said:

 

Here you go

 

https://archive.ph/D2egA

 

 

Cheers mate 

[Craig 6820]

FWIW we’re all reacting to an article in the Daily Mail, and one by Craig Hope at that! We’re best off restraining any reaction until the club themselves make an official announcement. 
 

One thing I’m certain of is that PIF won’t be wetting their finger and sticking it in the air to come up with a capacity. Whatever their decision when it comes to it will be backed by feasibility studies.

In terms of a new venue being aimed to attract corporate investment, we’re in cloud cuckoo land if we think for one moment that wouldn’t be the case. It’s a romantic notion that football is like it was in the 80s and just about the fans but sadly it isn’t reality these days. We’ve got the richest owners in world football and they’ll be wanting a decent return on any investment.

 

SJP could be increased to 65K, yes … but that would it - no further ability to expand. I can’t see they’ll build a new stadium without the scope to expand it. As has been alluded to, Arsenal plan to do it, City are doing it. So would we.

[Gemmill 50035]

There also needs to be consideration given to what ground capacity the city can cope with. That includes police, transport links, etc. 

 

The club can't just double the capacity of the current ground and tell all of these stakeholders to lump it. 

[Dazzler 11882]

7 hours ago, RobinRobin said:

At least big Joe should be able to score with those posts. 

If he skies one he's smashing windows in the new stadium. It's going to be expensive. We might need Eddie to work his magic again and retrain him as a ball playing centre half to restrict Big Joe's offensive contributions to set plays..

[Dazzler 11882]

Hopefully the new stadium has a level pitch...I remember (at least in the Sir Bobby days) we used to get a fuck tonne of muscle tears and strains because we played on a fucking hill every home game. I presume this has been rectified over the years, but considering that would have cost money and Mike Ashley owned us, I am not 100% certain it was.

[Craig 6820]

21 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

There also needs to be consideration given to what ground capacity the city can cope with. That includes police, transport links, etc. 

 

The club can't just double the capacity of the current ground and tell all of these stakeholders to lump it. 

The same folks complaining that we’ll give too much over to corporate hospitality will be the same ones who are extremely vociferous about PSR. If we’re serious about getting to the ‘next level’ we need to embrace the enemy to a degree in that respect. 

[ewerk 33241]

Nah I think it's still the same. It was seen as an advantage to us in the second half.

[Gemmill 50035]

7 minutes ago, Craig said:

The same folks complaining that we’ll give too much over to corporate hospitality will be the same ones who are extremely vociferous about PSR. If we’re serious about getting to the ‘next level’ we need to embrace the enemy to a degree in that respect. 

 

It's gonna be shit when they announce ticket prices for the new ground, cos they're definitely gonna take a jump up. 

 

Best thing they can do between now and then is make us a permanent CL fixture and genuine challengers for the PL. If we go to the new ground with a trophy or two to display, that won't hurt either.

 

Cos if we're still in our current chrysalis phase, I think fans would have more reason to feel like they're having the piss taken out of them. 

[Rosco 880]

48 minutes ago, Craig said:

FWIW we’re all reacting to an article in the Daily Mail, and one by Craig Hope at that! We’re best off restraining any reaction until the club themselves make an official announcement. 
 

One thing I’m certain of is that PIF won’t be wetting their finger and sticking it in the air to come up with a capacity. Whatever their decision when it comes to it will be backed by feasibility studies.

In terms of a new venue being aimed to attract corporate investment, we’re in cloud cuckoo land if we think for one moment that wouldn’t be the case. It’s a romantic notion that football is like it was in the 80s and just about the fans but sadly it isn’t reality these days. We’ve got the richest owners in world football and they’ll be wanting a decent return on any investment.

 

SJP could be increased to 65K, yes … but that would it - no further ability to expand. I can’t see they’ll build a new stadium without the scope to expand it. As has been alluded to, Arsenal plan to do it, City are doing it. So would we.

I think when they officially announce it the plans/capacity etc will be different from DM half arsed story

[Dazzler 11882]

20 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Nah I think it's still the same. It was seen as an advantage to us in the second half.

Not this season it hasn't. The opposition must be rigging the coin toss to get us playing up hill.

[Renton 23726]

 

 

2 hours ago, Craig said:

FWIW we’re all reacting to an article in the Daily Mail, and one by Craig Hope at that! We’re best off restraining any reaction until the club themselves make an official announcement. 
 

One thing I’m certain of is that PIF won’t be wetting their finger and sticking it in the air to come up with a capacity. Whatever their decision when it comes to it will be backed by feasibility studies.

In terms of a new venue being aimed to attract corporate investment, we’re in cloud cuckoo land if we think for one moment that wouldn’t be the case. It’s a romantic notion that football is like it was in the 80s and just about the fans but sadly it isn’t reality these days. We’ve got the richest owners in world football and they’ll be wanting a decent return on any investment.

 

SJP could be increased to 65K, yes … but that would it - no further ability to expand. I can’t see they’ll build a new stadium without the scope to expand it. As has been alluded to, Arsenal plan to do it, City are doing it. So would we.

 

The main thing, the location, is the correct choice, so I am happy overall. I think the capacity is needlessly low, won't effect me personally but I want as many cheaper seats as possible. I don't like the wrap design at all. Seems like a fad that will probably look shit in 20 years. Would prefer a classic stadium design more akin to the Emirates, Spurs, or even Everton's new ground. But this part of the story might be bullshit anyway. 

 

I don't think transport links etc is an issue all (re: Gemmill's point). We have a rail station on a main line and an international airport, we have a metro system most cities don't have. And the new location is still a stone's throw away from literally hundreds of pubs, restaurants, and hotels. I'd say we are better placed than 90% of clubs. 

[Craig 6820]

1 hour ago, Craig said:

The same folks complaining that we’ll give too much over to corporate hospitality will be the same ones who are extremely vociferous about PSR. If we’re serious about getting to the ‘next level’ we need to embrace the enemy to a degree in that respect. 

Speaking of corporate hospitality, I have in the last 5 minutes been offered a corporate hospitality ticket for Sunday as one of my colleagues can no longer go!! Happy days.

[Renton 23726]

1 hour ago, Dazzler said:

Hopefully the new stadium has a level pitch...I remember (at least in the Sir Bobby days) we used to get a fuck tonne of muscle tears and strains because we played on a fucking hill every home game. I presume this has been rectified over the years, but considering that would have cost money and Mike Ashley owned us, I am not 100% certain it was.

 

The camber is still obvious to the naked eye. I like it, it adds character to the ground. It used to be 5 metres in Toonpack days but is now 2 metres. 

 

I was curious to what the implications were on goals scored so (yes) I used ChatGPT (deep research mode) to have a look. This is seriously impressive btw, takes about 15 minutes and it tells you its thinking as it does it. This is the conclusion:

 

"Bottom Line: Exact goal tallies by end are hard to come by, but both historical custom and modern evidence point to the Gallowgate End being Newcastle’s most fruitful scoring end. Over all time, the Gallowgate has seen a greater share of goals at St. James’ Park (thanks to the downhill slope and second-half push) – a trend continuing into the Premier League era. The Leazes End certainly has its moments (especially when Newcastle are forced to attack that way late on), but St. James’ Park lore and statistics alike indicate that the Gallowgate End is where Newcastle score the bulk of their home goals. This enduring pattern underlines the psychological and tactical importance of shooting towards a raucous Gallowgate in front of the home faithful."

 

My take away from this is the new stadium MUST incorporate a Gallowgate kop end. I'd have the whole pitch floating on a hydraulic ramp and change the camber to suit us depending on which half we are attacking.

[wykikitoon 22923]

I just hope it looks and feels like a football stadium.  If that makes sense  

[Monkeys Fist 45203]

1 hour ago, wykikitoon said:

I just hope it looks and feels like a football stadium.  If that makes sense  

I thought you’d be right in to seeing thousands of strangers hanging out of this…

[thebrokendoll 10301]

2 hours ago, Renton said:

My take away from this is the new stadium MUST incorporate a Gallowgate kop end. I'd have the whole pitch floating on a hydraulic ramp and change the camber to suit us depending on which half we are attacking.

 

the galliwgate end has never come anywhere even remotely close to replicating the 70s leazes as a home end. I suppose the potential it may have had to match the leazes was fucked by a lack of roof in the 80s and all seater stadium from the 90s onwards.

I'd bet my house that huge swathes of the middle tier gallowgate season ticket holders (of which I used to be one) would whinge and cry like babies at the idea of being sat anywhere other than in an almost identical place in a new ground, they'd probably demand that they're able to take 'their' bit of plastic with them that they've had their arses parked on for 30 years, even when a penalty is taken.

nah, a new leazes end needs to be reborn, with as much as possible of it safe standing and a strict understanding that if you go there to live, you'll support the fucking team..... loudly.

[Renton 23726]

5 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

the galliwgate end has never come anywhere even remotely close to replicating the 70s leazes as a home end. I suppose the potential it may have had to match the leazes was fucked by a lack of roof in the 80s and all seater stadium from the 90s onwards.

I'd bet my house that huge swathes of the middle tier gallowgate season ticket holders (of which I used to be one) would whinge and cry like babies at the idea of being sat anywhere other than in an almost identical place in a new ground, they'd probably demand that they're able to take 'their' bit of plastic with them that they've had their arses parked on for 30 years, even when a penalty is taken.

nah, a new leazes end needs to be reborn, with as much as possible of it safe standing and a strict understanding that if you go there to live, you'll support the fucking team..... loudly.

 

Well I just meant a single tier kop wherever it is, aimed at the more passionate (younger) supporters. Safe standing too. I'm definitely nearer the tartan blanket and flask end of things nowadays but still shout and swear a lot, singing not so much. 

I've only sat in the Gallowgate a couple of times since the redevelopment (I say that, its been 30 years ffs!). Can't remember the atmosphere being owt special.  

[Dazzler 11882]

I've been in the family enclosure for the majority (2) of all of the matches (3) I've been to this season and it's been loud as fuck in there all (both) the times I've been in. The kids with their parents properly get into it. It's pretty much adjacent to the "singing" section and I can't say it's jumped out at me at how loud it is.

[Howmanheyman 36660]

3 hours ago, Craig said:

Speaking of corporate hospitality, I have in the last 5 minutes been offered a corporate hospitality ticket for Sunday as one of my colleagues can no longer go!! Happy days.

 

 

Well done, Craig!

[Renton 23726]

Btw, can we make a special plea to the club to get tbd and honorary ST before there is a postal incident at the club?

 

[thebrokendoll 10301]

19 minutes ago, Renton said:

Btw, can we make a special plea to the club to get tbd and honorary ST before there is a postal incident at the club?

 

 

I think there was one lined up for me, but spaniel lugs appears to have nipped in there first.

[Monkeys Fist 45203]

3 hours ago, Craig said:

Speaking of corporate hospitality, I have in the last 5 minutes been offered a corporate hospitality ticket for Sunday as one of my colleagues can no longer go!! Happy days.

Does it say at the bottom in copperplate script,

12:00-3:30pm. - pre match cocktails

3:30- 12:00am - Gan fuckin’ radge

12:30am - Carriages (and cans)?