New Ground vs Upgraded SJP

[Kid Dynamite 7447]

Probably worth its own thread given an announcement is due later this season.

 

Someone posted this picture on Facebook recently. Not sure if it's part of the clubs feasibility study?

 

 

Council papers that show the listed buildings/conservation area around SJP

 

 

 

The last last time the club was planning on building in Leazes Park

 

 

[Dr Gloom 23150]

If we could rebuild on SJP I’d do that but there’s nowhere to play while the work is carried out so it has to be a new ground on Leazes park. If it’s done right it could be transformative. A tarted up SJP isn’t going to the deliver enough additional normal or commercial seats

[Kid Dynamite 7447]

I would hope that as part of building on Leazes Park they then turn the SJP footprint into a new green space. 

[Monkeys Fist 44315]

41 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I would hope that as part of building on Leazes Park they then turn the SJP footprint into a new green space. 

You’d hope so, but any parcel of land that size in the city centre is going to be highly valued real estate. 
 

I’d love to see it become parkland, but realistically it’ll be a few more blocks of student accommodation and a couple of half-empty office blocks. 

[RobinRobin 12118]

You'd hope it was part of the deal. You want Leazes Park you must create an alternative on the SJP site. 

[Monkeys Fist 44315]

13 minutes ago, RobinRobin said:

You'd hope it was part of the deal. You want Leazes Park you must create an alternative on the SJP site. 

Looking at the plans above, it’s only a small part of the north western edge of Leazes Park, with no facilities currently on it. 

 

 

 

It wouldn’t surprise me if they gave the same area back as park land ( Leazes end and northern third of the pitch, and sold the rest. 
Having said that, any land sold as real estate that borders Leazes Terrace is going to have the same restrictions re. height and not blocking sunlight as we currently face, so maybe the whole lot as parkland isn’t out of the question? 

[Optimistic Nut 398]

Unless we can get SJP above 65k, it has to be a new stadium? Ideally Leazes Park near the current stadium, the site where the Arena is would have been a good number 2 option. Big no if we're heading out Gosforth way or the outskirts. 

[Dr Gloom 23150]

37 minutes ago, Optimistic Nut said:

Unless we can get SJP above 65k, it has to be a new stadium? Ideally Leazes Park near the current stadium, the site where the Arena is would have been a good number 2 option. Big no if we're heading out Gosforth way or the outskirts. 

all the mood music suggests it will be within the city limits. The council are surely going to be more cooperative this time if there was a risk of the new ground being build further out. They can’t afford the hit to the local economy. And I think the club know there would be a backlash if they proposed anything beyond Leazes park (I think the arena site is a non starter) 

[NJS 4489]

If it is a new ground then on the bright side and assuming the council is helpful, if it goes to the government  all we have to do is sprinkle the application with the word "growth" and Reeves will force whoever's notionally responsible to okay it in nanoseconds. 

[The Mighty Hog 553]

Not knowing much about.. well anything really, but especially the building and maintenance of a stadium I'm wondering how long the current site can be viable. Not talking about expansion, but how long could it realistically be maintained to a high standard before things are not able to be fixed? 

[thebrokendoll 9934]

move it to monmouth I think.

[Gemmill 48567]

Move it to Stone Henge would be best for you, looking at that top of yours. 

[Rosco 830]

On 01/02/2025 at 11:07, Optimistic Nut said:

Unless we can get SJP above 65k, it has to be a new stadium? Ideally Leazes Park near the current stadium, the site where the Arena is would have been a good number 2 option. Big no if we're heading out Gosforth way or the outskirts. 

The arena would be a terrible site my own opinion is upgrade St James’s to 60K plus 

East stand if demolished and rebuilt with glass roof / frontage etc could be increased a bit without upsetting the heritage brigade

But the cost of that plus a fucking expensive Gallowgate rebuild may well mean a move into the park

If you asked everyone to vote I think it’s a close call and I’m not convinced the club is fully decided yet, what hasn’t helped was the total lack of investment / maintenance from the fat cockney twat during his ownership 

[Kid Dynamite 7447]

On 01/02/2025 at 10:43, Monkeys Fist said:

Looking at the plans above, it’s only a small part of the north western edge of Leazes Park, with no facilities currently on it. 

 

 

 

It wouldn’t surprise me if they gave the same area back as park land ( Leazes end and northern third of the pitch, and sold the rest. 
Having said that, any land sold as real estate that borders Leazes Terrace is going to have the same restrictions re. height and not blocking sunlight as we currently face, so maybe the whole lot as parkland isn’t out of the question? 

I dont think the fields at the top are officially part of Leazes Park (looking at the blueprints I posted in the top post)

[Kid Dynamite 7447]

One option could be to build into Leazes Park and the fields beyond (which aren't part of the conservation area I believe), and then use the SJP footprint to gift back the same amount of Leazes park land we've used. The 2 pieces of land are nigh on the same size 

 

 

[Monkeys Fist 44315]

17 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

I dont think the fields at the top are officially part of Leazes Park (looking at the blueprints I posted in the top post)

No, you’re right, I think they’re called Little Moor, could be wrong, but they’re not part of Leazes Park. 
 

However, they do have a herd of cows grazing in them, so they’re possibly owned by one of the Freeman guilds, given their proximity to the Mary Magdalen old folks cottages which are Freeman owned, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s theirs, which could be problematic. 

I have no idea though. 
 

My post was referring to the bit that cuts in to the trees in the top corner of Leazes Park 

 

edit; just seen your post above which is what I also suggested in the second bit of my post. 
 

We are on the same page. 👍

[Kid Dynamite 7447]

2 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

No, you’re right, I think they’re called Little Moor, could be wrong, but they’re not part of Leazes Park. 
 

However, they do have a herd of cows grazing in them, so they’re possibly owned by one of the Freeman guilds, given their proximity to the Mary Magdalen old folks cottages which are Freeman owned, I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s theirs, which could be problematic. 

I have no idea though. 
 

My post was referring to the bit that cuts in to the trees in the top corner of Leazes Park 

 

edit; just seen your post above which is what I also suggested in the second bit of my post. 
 

We are on the same page. 👍

Could get a decent sized ground in there

 

[ewerk 32349]

7 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

then use the SJP footprint to gift back the same amount of Leazes park land we've used. The 2 pieces of land are nigh on the same size

 

 

We can’t gift what we don’t own.

[Monkeys Fist 44315]

6 minutes ago, ewerk said:

We can’t gift what we don’t own.

Begone with your facts and realities, Leprechaun of Truth! 

[ewerk 32349]

Luke Edwards reckon that the club are leaning towards a new stadium built on a combination of Leazes Parks and ground the club already own.

 

[trophyshy 7200]

Venn diagram of people who can keep their seats.

[Dr Gloom 23150]

2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Luke Edwards reckon that the club are leaning towards a new stadium built on a combination of Leazes Parks and ground the club already own.

 

 

best of both worlds, using the spurs model. it's more or less still SJP, so less traumatic for the traditionalists while still giving us a brand new superstadium that will provide the extra seats required.

 

presumably there will come a point during the rebuild when we have to play with a massively reduced capacity while they knock down parts of the leazes end. not sure what that means for existing ST holders. 

 

 

[Dr Gloom 23150]

the other option proposed looks like it would create a massive gallowgate end 

 

[Dr Gloom 23150]

it would look pretty funny with the tiny little east stand with its concrete walls dwarfed on all sides by steel and glass 

[Christmas Tree 5003]

New stadium please