#Eddie out

[Dr Gloom 22022]

43 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

You can only play with the cards you’ve been dealt. If Miggy or Murphy are all you’ve got, that’s all you’ve got.

It’s not though, is it. They’re both behind Gordon, Barnes and even Joelinton in the current pecking order for RW. Miggy is on his way out in Jan so don’t expect to see him start many games before he leaves and I think Howe has seen enough of Murphy there this season to give him many more starts

[Toonpack 9565]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

It’s not though, is it. They’re both behind Gordon, Barnes and even Joelinton in the current pecking order for RW. Miggy is on his way out in Jan so don’t expect to see him start many games before he leaves and I think Howe has seen enough of Murphy there this season to give him many more starts

 

I recall I said "I don't give a fuck" who plays RW just so long as Joe and Gordon are on the left. It's about what gives you your best balance as a team.

 

Whoever plays right is a body a defence has to account for, if we play our strongest left that gives them plenty to think about, weaken the left to improve the right , and with current personnel, it won't ever be as good as our best left hand side and so you are overall weakening your attacking ability.

 

That said, tonight, I'd play Miggy or Barnes, leaning towards Miggy because of his pace and work rate to counter Gakpo.

[Dr Gloom 22022]

26 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

I recall I said "I don't give a fuck" who plays RW just so long as Joe and Gordon are on the left. It's about what gives you your best balance as a team.

 

Whoever plays right is a body a defence has to account for, if we play our strongest left that gives them plenty to think about, weaken the left to improve the right , and with current personnel, it won't ever be as good as our best left hand side and so you are overall weakening your attacking ability.

 

That said, tonight, I'd play Miggy or Barnes, leaning towards Miggy because of his pace and work rate to counter Gakpo.

You may be right. Howe is scrambling to find his best eleven. I can see Sean coming back in for this one and possibly yet another switch at RW

[wykikitoon 20388]

If he plays Longstaff after Tonali having a decent game Saturday that just mad. 

[RobinRobin 11358]

2 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

some of our best attacking football when we finished 4th came with Joe and Willock down our left so I understand why the manager is trying it again.

Was that when Miggy was having his best ever season on the right? 

[PaddockLad 17363]

1 hour ago, wykikitoon said:

If he plays Longstaff after Tonali having a decent game Saturday that just mad. 

We didn’t have a shot on goal using that system v Crystal fuckin Pakace though  

[wykikitoon 20388]

58 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

We didn’t have a shot on goal using that system v Crystal fuckin Pakace though  

 

Blame Willock and Bruno who were playing more advanced,

Longstaff has the massive sum of fuck all goal involvements this season.  At least Sandro has an assist.

[Holden McGroin 6663]

14 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

Blame Willock and Bruno who were playing more advanced,

Longstaff has the massive sum of fuck all goal involvements this season.  At least Sandro has an assist.

The win ratio with Longstaff in the team  over Tonali must trump that one assist.

[wykikitoon 20388]

1 minute ago, Holden McGroin said:

The win ratio with Longstaff in the team  over Tonali must trump that one assist.

 

How do you quantify that though?

Win v Southampton, Sandro was still banned.

Win v Spurs, Sandro played and was subbed on for him so who gets the plaudits?
Win v Wolves, as above.

Win v Arsenal, subbed on for Willock, but as above still.
Win v Forest, subbed on, but gets an assists, sooooooooooooooo

So how is it quantifiable?  We have one game where Sandro hasn't played in our wins due to a ban and that was the first game of the season when he was banned  

[Holden McGroin 6663]

9 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

How do you quantify that though?

Win v Southampton, Sandro was still banned.

Win v Spurs, Sandro played and was subbed on for him so who gets the plaudits?
Win v Wolves, as above.

Win v Arsenal, subbed on for Willock, but as above still.
Win v Forest, subbed on, but gets an assists, sooooooooooooooo

So how is it quantifiable?  We have one game where Sandro hasn't played in our wins due to a ban and that was the first game of the season when he was banned  

how do you quantify anything? Sandro got the assist when Forest were wide open.

 

In fact, how do you even quantity assists? Could longstaff have put a couple on a plate the recipient ballooned over.

 

im being a facetious by the way. Sandro is obviously the more talented player. The counter argument is that the best eleven players don’t always make the best team.  Longstaff seems to add good balance to the team. 

Edited 12 hours ago by Holden McGroin

[PaddockLad 17363]

27 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

Blame Willock and Bruno who were playing more advanced,

Longstaff has the massive sum of fuck all goal involvements this season.  At least Sandro has an assist.

I think I know where we’re heading with this but no one wants to say it. So I’ll bite the bullet

 

DROP FUCKIN BRUNO  

 

I’ve watched him largely playing within himself for 18 months. No one wants to admit it it. He’s good for 1 game in 5? 6? . If Tonali is so good as all you fanboys suggest (I remain unconvinced but my jury is out, although it’s had lunch and is very close to returning a verdict that will upset some) then build the team round him . But Howe has made that impossible by giving him the captaincy. What a fuckin shit show

[wykikitoon 20388]

2 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

how do you quantify anything? Sandro got the assist when Forest were wide open.

 

In fact, how do you even quantity assists? Could longstaff have put a couple on a plate the recipient ballooned over.

 

im being a facetious by the way. Sandro is obviously the more talented player. The counter argument is that the best eleven players don’t always make the best team.  Longstaff seems to add good balance to the team. 

 

Well, that's simple.  That's not an assist  

 

I think the issue we've had with Sandro is he's been too far advanced and he seemed clueless there.  Saturday he was further back and looked a lot better.  He was breaking play up, reading the play better etc.  

[Holden McGroin 6663]

3 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

I think I know where we’re heading with this but no one wants to say it. So I’ll bite the bullet

 

DROP FUCKIN BRUNO  

 

I’ve watched him largely playing within himself for 18 months. No one wants to admit it it. He’s good for 1 game in 5? 6? . If Tonali is so good as all you fanboys suggest (I remain unconvinced but my jury is out, although it’s had lunch and is very close to returning a verdict that will upset some) then build the team round him . But Howe has made that impossible by giving him the captaincy. What a fuckin shit show

I’ve not been thinking that. Bruno is one of the 3 blue chip players we’ve got. He’ll get his form back. In fact I think Tonali will never make it here. I suspect he’ll be back off to Italy in the Summer on loan.

Edited 12 hours ago by Holden McGroin

[wykikitoon 20388]

1 minute ago, PaddockLad said:

I think I know where we’re heading with this but no one wants to say it. So I’ll bite the bullet

 

DROP FUCKIN BRUNO  

 

I’ve watched him largely playing within himself for 18 months. No one wants to admit it it. He’s good for 1 game in 5? 6? . If Tonali is so good as all you fanboys suggest (I remain unconvinced but my jury is out, although it’s had lunch and is very close to returning a verdict that will upset some) then build the team round him . But Howe has made that impossible by giving him the captaincy. What a fuckin shit show

 

He's been well off it this season, but then so has a lot of the team.

[wykikitoon 20388]

Just now, Holden McGroin said:

I’ve not been thinking that. Bruno is one of the 3 blue chip plates we’ve got. He’ll get his form back. In fact I think Tonali will never make it here. I suspect he’ll back off to Italy in the Summer on loan.

 

I think we need to play Sandro deeper for a decent run, if not then I agree, he will be gone.

[Holden McGroin 6663]

3 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

Well, that's simple.  That's not an assist  

 

I think the issue we've had with Sandro is he's been too far advanced and he seemed clueless there.  Saturday he was further back and looked a lot better.  He was breaking play up, reading the play better etc.  

 

🤣 you can only take a horse to the water.

 

Aye. I think Sandro is better at 6 than an 8.

Edited 12 hours ago by Holden McGroin

[PaddockLad 17363]

6 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

I’ve not been thinking that. Bruno is one of the 3 blue chip players we’ve got. He’ll get his form back. In fact I think Tonali will never make it here. I suspect he’ll be back off to Italy in the Summer on loan.

He fuckin won’t. 10-20 minute cameos is all he’s ever provided and he’s barely doing them this season. When he’s on it he’s brilliant. No one though wants to admit that he doesn’t want to fuckin know and all that playing to the crowd is a childish fuckin facade 

[PaddockLad 17363]

9 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

 

He's been well off it this season, but then so has a lot of the team.

He was off it for most of last season too…

[Holden McGroin 6663]

2 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

He fuckin won’t. 10-20 minute cameos is all he’s ever provided and he’s barely doing them this season. When he’s on it he’s brilliant. No one though wants to admit that he doesn’t want to fuckin know and all that playing to the crowd is a childish fuckin facade 

Bruno is the last player I’d drop.

[PaddockLad 17363]

And if you don’t want to admit it to yourselves I’ll bring up from the cells David Ginola’s second 18 months at NUFC as corroborating evidence. He lost interest after being refused a move to Barcelona. We just don’t know for sure which club with Bruno

[PaddockLad 17363]

1 minute ago, Holden McGroin said:

Bruno is the last player I’d drop.

I agree it doesn’t make sense on paper but the last time he got a game by the scruff of the neck and dominated as far as I can remember was at Fulham last season. I can’t remember the one before that…

Edited 12 hours ago by PaddockLad

[Dazzler 9883]

Tonali is the better player IMO. His decision making on the ball is superior to Bruno. He doesn’t daudle on the ball looking for a foul and seems much more capable of getting the ball upfield quickly.

[strawb 4308]

1 hour ago, PaddockLad said:

And if you don’t want to admit it to yourselves I’ll bring up from the cells David Ginola’s second 18 months at NUFC as corroborating evidence. He lost interest after being refused a move to Barcelona. We just don’t know for sure which club with Bruno

That last sentence is pure guesswork like.

 

I agree he has been poor, but to say he can’t be arsed because he was refused a move? Was there even any talk of bids for him in the summer. Conjecture your honour

[PaddockLad 17363]

1 hour ago, strawb said:

That last sentence is pure guesswork like.

 

I agree he has been poor, but to say he can’t be arsed because he was refused a move? Was there even any talk of bids for him in the summer. Conjecture your honour

Accepted. Call it a hunch 😆

[Holden McGroin 6663]

1 hour ago, Dazzler said:

Tonali is the better player IMO. His decision making on the ball is superior to Bruno. He doesn’t daudle on the ball looking for a foul and seems much more capable of getting the ball upfield quickly.

I disagree.  Tonali signing will go down as disaster at this rate. Of course it’s not his fault. He is trying his best and genuinely looks thankful to the fans and club but he missed a year suspended and when he has played he keeps getting dropped for Longstaff.  If he can’t get a place instead of Ciggy then it’s not a good sign.