#Eddie out

[wykikitoon 20711]

Spaniel will have the Hitachi magic wand out on turbo with that result.

[Gemmill 46016]

1 minute ago, aimaad22 said:

 

Not to mention the feel good factor around the club he's been instrumental in creating. That is so critical for anyone wanting to succeed at NUFC. 

 

Aye change the manager and you retain all squad shortcomings, all the problems with PSR that prevent you from changing that, and you lose the culture Howe has built. And you get a completely unknown factor to replace him. 

 

We're going through a bad spell, no question about it. But I've said before he deserves the next two windows and next season.

 

Also, Howe probably isn't going to take a backward step if he leaves here. He'll go on to achieve at another club, possibly a bigger club, and it'll just serve to underline our mistake. 

[Isegrim 9896]

We can’t find any consistency just as almost all other teams as well. The point gap of just 9 points between second place and 13th as it stands is ridiculous. There is still a long way to go for most teams.

[thebrokendoll 9451]

18 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

We can’t find any consistency just as almost all other teams as well. The point gap of just 9 points between second place and 13th as it stands is ridiculous. There is still a long way to go for most teams.

 

the lack of consistency is a massive issue, we look exactly like what we are, a mid table team which is capable of raising its game against the big clubs.

we need a massive upturn in form against clubs we would've been beating, if not last season, certainly the season before. we haven't got a weaker squad than 2 years ago, there's every chance though that we'll finish lower than we have done for 2 consecutive seasons.

not a fucking cat in hells chance we'll hang on to isak if that's the case, and not a cat in hells chance howe will hang on to his job either.

[Gemmill 46016]

We've got a squad that's two years older than two years ago; Trippier is a shadow of the player he was and he was absolutely integral to that season's success, our first choice CB from that season has been out for ages, Schar and Burn are two years older and it's showing, Wilson is now at a point where age and his terrible injury record have basically rendered him unselectable, and we had to sell two of the development players we were bringing through. And the temporary effect that Howe's methods were having on a portion of the squad that will never be good enough has done what temporary things do, and stopped working. 

 

We're absolutely a worse squad than we were two years ago. 

Edited December 7 by Gemmill

[thebrokendoll 9451]

29 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

We're absolutely a worse squad than we were two years ago. 

 

bollocks.

 

[Renton 21980]

1 hour ago, aimaad22 said:

Rayvin beat me to it and said it better of course, insufferable twat

 

He needs to apologise. 

[wykikitoon 20711]

24 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

bollocks.

 

Expand please 

[Renton 21980]

BTW, fuck the doubters here. After Liverpool we were superb, Eddie was deified again. We lost today and certain posters want him out. Against a team who have won 8/9 of their home games this season. It's ridiculous, it is 100% mackemesque. Fucking just stop it man.

 

[Renton 21980]

Oh aye, let's see how Brentford do against us at SJP as we march on to another semifinal. 

And then in January we have a virtual buy into the 4th round of the FA cup. We were never going to win the league ffs. 

[GrahamTaylor5 944]

1 hour ago, Rayvin said:

People way too impatient about this. If we take Howe out, what holds in place the sense of togetherness he fostered here? I actually like the club at the moment for the first time in a long time, and that is absolutely down to Howe. I don't mind us being midtable for a bit while we develop ffs, wasn't that long ago we were relegation fodder year on year.

 

We are never gonna achieve anything if we start throwing away good people in the hope of an immediate success. This club is never going to win anything if it doesn't build properly.

100%

[thebrokendoll 9451]

24 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Expand please 

 

you honestly think weve regressed as a squad in the last 2 seasons?

both the left and right backs we've spent £60m on in the last 2 seasons have broken in to the national first team.

burn has arguably been our player this season.

we've acquired the services of a £55m Italian international who was missing last season.

our left winger is establishing himself as an england regular, but whose club form has largely failed to justify it.

our swedish international striker, has been patchy at best, his best form seemingly reserved for games where he's putting himself in the shop window.

we're 12th in the league, we've beaten 2 of the 7 teams below us.....

 

tell me, why is this a rip roaring success?

 

Edited December 7 by thebrokendoll

[Dougle 3384]

2 hours ago, Rayvin said:

People way too impatient about this. If we take Howe out, what holds in place the sense of togetherness he fostered here? I actually like the club at the moment for the first time in a long time, and that is absolutely down to Howe. I don't mind us being midtable for a bit while we develop ffs, wasn't that long ago we were relegation fodder year on year.

 

We are never gonna achieve anything if we start throwing away good people in the hope of an immediate success. This club is never going to win anything if it doesn't build properly.

 

Best words on this matter so far.

[Alex 35568]

3 hours ago, Rayvin said:

People way too impatient about this. If we take Howe out, what holds in place the sense of togetherness he fostered here? I actually like the club at the moment for the first time in a long time, and that is absolutely down to Howe. I don't mind us being midtable for a bit while we develop ffs, wasn't that long ago we were relegation fodder year on year.

 

We are never gonna achieve anything if we start throwing away good people in the hope of an immediate success. This club is never going to win anything if it doesn't build properly.

100%. I’d be interested* to hear from anyone wanting to give him bullet how a new manager would solve the PSR constraints more rapidly. 
 

*I wouldn’t really be interested, that’s just a figure of speech 

[LongTimeAdmirer 1283]

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"PSR, PSR, PSR"

 

 

Yeah, the Profit and Sustainability Rules are becoming the ultimate buzzkill for ambitious clubs. But if we were ready to splash £70m on Guehi, clearly, the purse strings aren't that tight. The bigger issue here is Eddie’s stubbornness to this idea that "only a few players will improve us." This is the real conversation. £70m on Guehi feels like a premium rather than scouting brilliance. Bruno and Botman are the gold standard for smart, impactful signings. For the same £70m, you could scout a top-tier CB and a RW—players who are not only cheaper but also bring the same, if not better, value. That’s Paul Mitchell’s job and he’d probably relish the chance if Eddie would let him COOK.

 

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"Who are we going to replace him with?"

That's not my job, that's Paul Mitchell's job. Just like it’s his role to find players who improve the squad, it’s his responsibility to identify a manager who can take us further. And something tells me he has had a shadow list ready to go since June after a certain someone dropped a clanger for an interview. 

 

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"But but but, the feel good factor!!!"

What feel good factor? We've been crap for 12 months now.

But ill indulge you and pretend.

"Feel-good factor" is overhyped. What’s the point of everyone feeling warm and fuzzy if it’s at the cost of actual progress? Winning matches, lifting trophies—that’s what creates a real feel-good factor, not sticking with a manager out of nostalgia.

Football isn’t about keeping everyone comfortable; it’s about pushing boundaries and achieving success. If maintaining this so-called feel-good factor means sacrificing opportunities to improve and being 12th in the league, then it’s doing more harm than good. Do you want to win, or do you want to settle? Simple as that.

This is the only Newcastle United space I visit where their are so many people still #Eddiein

[Gemmill 46016]

2 minutes ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

 

This is the only Newcastle United space I visit where their are so many people still #Eddiein

 

It's because we're old enough and smart enough to know better than the teenage and twenty something neck-ends you're talking to elsewhere, who post stuff like "just scout a RW and a CB, players who are not only cheaper, but bring the same, if not better, value" as if it's just about getting the filters right on your search in FM24. 

[LongTimeAdmirer 1283]

17 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

It's because we're old enough and smart enough to know better than the teenage and twenty something neck-ends you're talking to elsewhere, who post stuff like "just scout a RW and a CB, players who are not only cheaper, but bring the same, if not better, value" as if it's just about getting the filters right on your search in FM24. 

 

 

Massive energy right now Gemmy.

[Gemmill 46016]

Maybe so, but preferable to

energy. 

[Dr Gloom 22142]

12 hours ago, Gemmill said:

We've got a squad that's two years older than two years ago; Trippier is a shadow of the player he was and he was absolutely integral to that season's success, our first choice CB from that season has been out for ages, Schar and Burn are two years older and it's showing, Wilson is now at a point where age and his terrible injury record have basically rendered him unselectable, and we had to sell two of the development players we were bringing through. And the temporary effect that Howe's methods were having on a portion of the squad that will never be good enough has done what temporary things do, and stopped working. 

 

We're absolutely a worse squad than we were two years ago. 

agree with most of what you’re saying. I think burns been good this season though 

[Dr Gloom 22142]

Schar’s passing on the other side has dropped off a cliff. I think he feels compelled to try too many Hollywood balls without trippier next to him 

Edited December 8 by Dr Gloom

[toonotl 3105]

I wonder how the "#Eddie in" threads are going everywhere else. Maybe we could compare notes.

[Stotty 23]

3 hours ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

 

 

Yeah, the Profit and Sustainability Rules are becoming the ultimate buzzkill for ambitious clubs. But if we were ready to splash £70m on Guehi, clearly, the purse strings aren't that tight. The bigger issue here is Eddie’s stubbornness to this idea that "only a few players will improve us." This is the real conversation. £70m on Guehi feels like a premium rather than scouting brilliance. Bruno and Botman are the gold standard for smart, impactful signings. For the same £70m, you could scout a top-tier CB and a RW—players who are not only cheaper but also bring the same, if not better, value. That’s Paul Mitchell’s job and he’d probably relish the chance if Eddie would let him COOK.

 

That's not my job, that's Paul Mitchell's job. Just like it’s his role to find players who improve the squad, it’s his responsibility to identify a manager who can take us further. And something tells me he has had a shadow list ready to go since June after a certain someone dropped a clanger for an interview. 

 

What feel good factor? We've been crap for 12 months now.

But ill indulge you and pretend.

"Feel-good factor" is overhyped. What’s the point of everyone feeling warm and fuzzy if it’s at the cost of actual progress? Winning matches, lifting trophies—that’s what creates a real feel-good factor, not sticking with a manager out of nostalgia.

Football isn’t about keeping everyone comfortable; it’s about pushing boundaries and achieving success. If maintaining this so-called feel-good factor means sacrificing opportunities to improve and being 12th in the league, then it’s doing more harm than good. Do you want to win, or do you want to settle? Simple as that.

This is the only Newcastle United space I visit where their are so many people still #Eddiein

Tbf I agree with some of what you’re saying.

 

I don’t want to see Eddie go but he can’t just have a pass for our shocking form.

 

Buying Guehi for £70m is established top team behaviour.

 

One injury and we’re back at square one.

 

We do need an exceptional scouting network if our hands are still tied budget wise. Seemingly we had one up until recently!

 

 

[PaddockLad 17642]

Just an observation but players look a bit joyless. Especially after they’ve scored. Celebrations are often individual and sometimes limited to 2/3 handshakes, a bit muted.  Might be absolutely nothing but Ive thought it a few times this season… 

[PaddockLad 17642]

4 hours ago, Gemmill said:

 

It's because we're old enough and smart enough to know better than the teenage and twenty something neck-ends you're talking to elsewhere, who post stuff like "just scout a RW and a CB, players who are not only cheaper, but bring the same, if not better, value" as if it's just about getting the filters right on your search in FM24. 

I think a lot of criticism is fair but I personally don’t think I’m entitled to fuckin anything I can’t personally control so if he stays or goes sometime down the line am fine with it. I still think the arrival of Mitchell at the start of pre season was a sudden jolt for Howe. It may have had a knock on to the players but honestly who the fuck knows? 

[sammynb 3508]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

Schar’s passing on the other side has dropped off a cliff. I think he feels compelled to try too many Hollywood balls without trippier next to him 

 

I think you are wrong, the problem is there is sweet fuck all on offer to him other than Bruno tick tacking it back to him. We need to be dropping balls over the top of defences that sit in against us, I'd argue that the runners for those balls are not showing like they have in recent seasons.