#Eddie out

[Gemmill 45251]

Aye if we were to get the thick end of £100m for Isak, and we start to see our no commercial income financial years drop out of the PSR calc, we could start having some big windows. 

 

But losing Isak will be seen as a big negative within the squad, I'm sure. He seems well liked and at the end of the day, you're losing a top player cos you haven't kicked on. 

[Gemmill 45251]

That needs spelling out as well btw. The impact of your PSR calc taking in three historical years worth of losses. 

 

Because yes, we've improved our commercial income more recently, but the PSR calc doesn't give a fuck about that because it looks back 3 years, and as things stand that looks all the way back to when our commercial income was at Ashley levels. 

 

So there's no sense going but our commercial income is now improved, so WHY AREN'T WE SPENDING BIG? Because see above. 

[Ayatollah Hermione 13915]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Aye if we were to get the thick end of £100m for Isak, and we start to see our no commercial income financial years drop out of the PSR calc, we could start having some big windows. 

 

But losing Isak will be seen as a big negative within the squad, I'm sure. He seems well liked and at the end of the day, you're losing a top player cos you haven't kicked on. 

Losing your best players obviously isn’t ideal but the likes of Liverpool, Villa and Spurs have shown it can be done. Liverpool sold Suarez and Coutinho for big money when they were integral players and built the squad that won the league. If the players see that the money will be reinvested into the squad, that should placate them. It’s a far cry from Ashley flogging Cabaye and replacing him with Jack Colback

[PaddockLad 17356]

14 minutes ago, strawb said:

 

 

He has at least 2 years more grace with me, just by deed of him giving me a team and club I care about again.

Pretty much agree with this bit. I’m personally not against an upgrade but also perfectly happy with him staying. I point blank refuse to be as miserable as I was when we were owned by Ashley. People lose perspective and grow this weird sense of entitlement, I don’t really understand it. 
 

Having said that there are huge problems in the squad; in midfield and up top it is horribly unbalanced.  The left wing is a farce. It’s difficult to know our best midfield combination. That suggests that recruitment in summer 2023 was haphazard/not joined up at best or just plain incompetent. Just to note at the end of that process our then DOF apparently started looking for another job. Our best players appear to be playing within themselves most weeks to the extent that there is a case for dropping all of them. Or even playing them in their correct positions. Howe is partly to blame but he’s also likely dealing with decisions others have made. Howe doesn’t seem to be finding many solutions at the moment. He’ll need to find some by the end of the season though or the decision about whether he’s the manager next season may be made for him… 

[Howmanheyman 33400]

3 minutes ago, Ayatollah Hermione said:

 It’s a far cry from Ashley flogging Cabaye and replacing him with Jack Colback

 

 

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4 hours ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

First off, to those posters dismissing any criticism of Eddie Howe as trolling or attention-seeking—give it a rest. I’ve probably got more football knowledge in my clit than your collective brains, which happen to have the IQ of room temperature. If you can’t comprehend the concept that other people might think differently, that’s a you problem. And before you act like I’m the only one saying this, feel free to check Reddit, R/NUFC, Twitter, or any other NUFC forums—there are plenty of fans who’ve run out of patience with Eddie too.
 

Now, onto the actual issues. (FOR THE REAL ONES)

It’s undeniable that performances have gone downhill. For the last 18 months, things have gotten worse instead of better. It’s been a year now where we’ve failed to string together consistent good performances. Compare that to the 18 months before, and it’s night and day. And don’t even try to tell me he hasn’t been backed in the transfer market—he’s had hundreds of millions.

 

This summer, the club spun some nonsense about how “only a few players can improve us.” Yet we wasted the entire window chasing Marc Guéhi at a ridiculous price, refused to budge, and ended up with nothing. That’s on Howe. His refusal to compromise and adapt hurt us in the market. The squad has gaps, and that’s directly tied to his decision-making.

 

Then there are the internal issues. Bust-ups with Dan Ashworth and Darren Mitchell? It’s like he doesn’t understand that this isn’t Bournemouth anymore. Newcastle is trying to operate like a top club, and he needs to get on board with that. Add in the rumored England job threats—it’s disgraceful behavior from someone who should be focused on the club. Howe’s ego and power plays this summer were embarrassing, and they cost us when we needed reinforcements most.
 

Now let’s talk tactics;

 

• Howe’s Tactical Blueprint Is Too Predictable

Eddie’s system has always been built around pressing high, winning the ball back quickly, and transitioning into attack with pace. For a while, it worked brilliantly. Teams couldn’t handle our energy, and we thrived off chaos. But here’s the problem: it’s a one-trick pony.

Opposition teams have figured out how to neutralize us by sitting deep, staying compact, and forcing us to break them down. And when that happens, we’re completely toothless.

• No Plan B

We’ve seen it time and time again this season: teams park the bus, we dominate possession, but we lack the tools to break them down. There’s no creativity, no movement in the final third, and no alternative approach. Eddie has failed to adapt the system to give us a Plan B. Always the same farken subs too man. right on the 60th minute.

• Lack of a Creative Playmaker

Our midfield is flat and functional, but it lacks a proper #10. There’s nobody playing cute passes behind Isak or Wilson, who can operate in tight spaces, spot a pass, or pull defenders out of position. Without that creativity, our attacks are predictable and easy to defend against.

• Ineffective Wingers

Our wingers—Gordon, Barnes, Joelinton—are not the kind of players who can consistently beat defenders one-on-one or create moments of magic out wide. They’re players who need space to run into, and when teams sit deep, they’re ineffective. We’ve seen this repeatedly against teams who defend in low blocks.

• Predictable Patterns of Play

Our attacking moves are overly rehearsed and predictable. The ball goes wide, a hopeful cross comes in, and the defenders clear it. Rinse and repeat. There’s no variety in our approach, and we rarely try anything unexpected to break teams down.

• Isak and Wilson Starved of Service

Whether it’s Isak or Wilson leading the line (Mainly Iasak this season) neither is getting the service they need. They’re left isolated up top, feeding off scraps because the midfield isn’t providing them with anything meaningful. This idea that were probably not going to see Osula until March or next season because Eddie wont budge on giving new players minutes, is wild.

How do we expect to break teams down when we’re so predictable and toothless in attack? Eddie is meant to be an attacking coach, this is on him and his staff over the last 18 months.  What are they working on in training? Why is there no progression in our attacking play? We’ve gone backwards. Eddie and his staff were hailed for their ability to develop players and make the team greater than the sum of its parts, but that’s just not happening anymore. The blame lies squarely with them. At this point, the "attacking coach" label feels more like a myth than a reality. If he can’t deliver on the one thing he’s supposed to specialize in, then serious questions need to be asked.


Lastly,

Eddie’s comments after the Palace game were the final straw for me. If he genuinely thinks that performance was “decent,” we’re in big trouble. He sounds like a manager trying to cling to his job, and it’s not working.

At this point, it’s hard to see him lasting beyond Christmas. The decline is obvious, the squad isn’t being utilized properly, and his approach is alienating key people at the club. He did a great job stabilizing us and taking us to the next level initially, but he’s not the man to push us forward anymore.

 

Farken hell.

[Gemmill 45251]

tldr farken

[Monkeys Fist 42566]

7 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Farken hell.

[PaddockLad 17356]

So is it possible that this could be a mackem with a VPN? Not sure how any of that shit works but this isn’t the work of an 18 year old lassie from the other side of the planet ffs  if I’m wrong I’m not apologising, please go out and get pissed and laid and stop geeing up middle aged twats with little better to do  

[LongTimeAdmirer 1269]

20 minutes ago, ewerk said:

Farken hell.

 

And that's the bottom farkn line 

[AgentAxeman 184]

Stupidity has a name and it's name is..... 

[LongTimeAdmirer 1269]

15 minutes ago, AgentAxeman said:

Stupidity has a name and it's name is..... 

You got any facts to refute what I said?

 

No?

 

Thats what i thought ya silly goose

 

 You can sit back down again 

[thebrokendoll 9293]

50 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

So is it possible that this could be a mackem with a VPN? Not sure how any of that shit works but this isn’t the work of an 18 year old lassie from the other side of the planet ffs  if I’m wrong I’m not apologising, please go out and get pissed and laid and stop geeing up middle aged twats with little better to do  

 

can early 60s (very early) still be middle aged?

oh I do hope so.

[Gemmill 45251]

Oof. The osteoporosis makes sense now. 

[Dazzler 9853]

In all seriousness I worry that we may have plateaued under Howe and that this might be as high as we realistically get under him. However, after this summer window and the injury crisis last season to suggest giving him the bullet is fucking insane.

 

He gets to the end of his contract on the goodwill he’s built up alone IMO. He gets fucked over in the next two windows then I think he walks anyway and it’s a moot point.

 

Also, you sack him who comes in? Jose? Get fucked. The man is football cancer in 2024.

[Alex 35165]

4 hours ago, Kid Dynamite said:

4 teams have spent more than us in the last 3 years. Spurs, Chelsea, Man Utd and Arsenal. 3 of those didn't qualify for the CL.

3 years is arbitrary though, given the lack of investment in the preceding two decades or so (stretching back to the end of the pre-Ashley regime). That’s not to say there isn’t some valid criticism. We’re not even playing well or deserving much against poor premier league sides. I agree with you to an extent because you would expect more against recent opposition. One thing I would also say in Howe’s defence though, as I’ve previously said, the striker situation has been ridiculous for a good while now. We’re so short of cover there with Wilson being such a liability fitness-wise 

[Dazzler 9853]

Also the “Howe players” were brought in to bring us to a realistic PL level. Howe took those players to a cup final, three quarter finals (so far) and the champions league. Just saying….

[thebrokendoll 9293]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Oof. The osteoporosis makes sense now. 

 

CUNT

[GrahamTaylor5 896]

The money spent has to factor in starting places as well.

 

We will have had to pay over the odds for many targets because we needed them desperately rather than the fact people saw we had Saudi money. We will never know the players that we didn't get because of this.

 

We have went from nailed on relegation to a really good season to some very average performances. 

 

It is difficult to make comparisons when we do not produce player with the quality that other teams manage. 

 

It is sad to see that we have a thread on this on this forum. 

 

I don't think Howe is perfect but Villa were seen as a very similar position as us, they have had similar investment (Not looked into it so probably going to be shot down) and they are performing at a similar standard to us. 

 

I understand frustrations but we are roughly where you would expect us to be.

 

 

[Kid Dynamite 7076]

1 hour ago, Dazzler said:

Also, you sack him who comes in? Jose? Get fucked. The man is football cancer in 2024.

Maresca, Amorim (early days granted), Ineola, Frank, Slot etc. have all improved the teams they've gone into. 
 

There are options out there if we look beyond the usual suspects 

[Gemmill 45251]

Aye the new Chelsea, Liverpool and Man United managers have all improved their incredibly expensively assembled squads, backed by decades of investment in their academies, and incredibly successful recent histories. 

 

Why can't we go from 19th place in the PL to that within 3 years of the takeover whilst being bound by the rules of PSR? 

 

I genuinely don't believe what I'm reading at times. Have you been radicalised by NUFC twitter? 

 

You're talking as if Howe hasn't improved us since he arrived. I wouldn't swap Howe for either of Areola or Frank btw. 

[aimaad22 4160]

We've stagnated over the last 18 months because the squad has barely been improved. Simple. 

 

I agree that it's disappointing and that we've generally been poor to watch for some time. But that doesn't change the fact that this league will punish you if you stand still. If anything Howe has done well to ensure we've remained competitive for European places. 

 

Dreams of a CL finish this season were fanciful. We'll do well to finish 7th again. 

[Kid Dynamite 7076]

21 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Aye the new Chelsea, Liverpool and Man United managers have all improved their incredibly expensively assembled squads, backed by decades of investment in their academies, and incredibly successful recent histories. 

 

Why can't we go from 19th place in the PL to that within 3 years of the takeover whilst being bound by the rules of PSR? 

 

I genuinely don't believe what I'm reading at times. Have you been radicalised by NUFC twitter? 

 

You're talking as if Howe hasn't improved us since he arrived. I wouldn't swap Howe for either of Areola or Frank btw. 

This is a list of the most expensive XI each team have played this season. We aren't a kick in the teeth off Man Utd or Chelsea 

 

[Gemmill 45251]

We're over £100m behind both of them for a start - that could be 2 or 3 game changing starters. And that ignores the fact that they have top talent that they've brought through their academies - what value is being applied to them? Because we don't have that. 

 

It also ignores the fact that they could probably field an entirely separate 11 that would meet or exceed the market value of our first 11. Whereas the drop off to our second 11 is vast. 

 

Just putting the above up does not mean that we're on a level playing field with these teams. We're self evidently not, you only need to look at our relative ability to spend to see that. 

Edited Sunday at 16:24 by Gemmill

[aimaad22 4160]

Also that says market value, different from actual spend. I don't know how they calculate it exactly but I'd wager Chelsea's is lower than what they actually paid and ours is higher for players like Bruno, Isak and Gordon.