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[Toonpack 9479]

7 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

There was a couple of instances last night where Longstaff was on the edge of their box and was paralysed.  Joe wanted a runner to get the ball through but he couldn't move.  It's absolutely frustrating as fuck.

 

Longstaff (however much you may want to believe it) didn't cause us to lose last night, we fell apart when he was taken off. We lost because our "expensive" players can't hit a barn door.

 

P.S. Joe would have overhit/misplaced the pass anyway as he (and Bruno) did several other times.

 

If anyone was dire last night it was Willock, he offered nothing and Barnes was invisible. But it's all Longstaff's fault.

[Isegrim 9803]

People are getting far too melodramatic again tbh. I thought yesterday’s performance was rather poor, but just because of the mentality and focus not because of tactics and lack of talent or fitness. We lacked intensity and accuracy, but that’s it. Recent performances proved that the same set of players is capable of totally different quality.

[AgentAxeman 182]

15 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Longstaff (however much you may want to believe it) didn't cause us to lose last night, we fell apart when he was taken off.

Nail, head. 

[wykikitoon 20234]

20 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Longstaff (however much you may want to believe it) didn't cause us to lose last night, we fell apart when he was taken off. We lost because our "expensive" players can't hit a barn door.

 

P.S. Joe would have overhit/misplaced the pass anyway as he (and Bruno) did several other times.

 

If anyone was dire last night it was Willock, he offered nothing and Barnes was invisible. But it's all Longstaff's fault.

 

I must have missed where I blamed Longstaff for the loss.

I wanted him off, when he went off the midfield went to shit.  I hold my hands up on that. 

[wykikitoon 20234]

Murphy when he came on was fucking dreadful btw.

[Dr Gloom 21965]

5 minutes ago, AgentAxeman said:

Nail, head. 

I don’t think it’s as simple as not being able to function without a single player. Longstaff was pretty poor when he was on the pitch compared to recent games. It was the haphazard subs/formation changes that killed our momentum. In the last half hour no one knew what their roles were, which isn’t a surprise given at times you had Tino at left back, Hall in midfield and Isak/Gordon as attacking midfielders. It turned chaotic, reeked of panic and didn’t look like anything they had practiced on the training ground. So unlike Howe, who is usually measured and predictable with his in-game changes  

[Dr Gloom 21965]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

Murphy when he came on was fucking dreadful btw.

the worst of them all. Really is time to upgrade that position. 

[wykikitoon 20234]

12 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

the worst of them all. Really is time to upgrade that position. 

There was one pass where he should have played it in front of Tino / Trippier (cant remember who) and he played it behind them and just fucked any attack we had.  He was just launching crosses with head down and was just shite. 

[Holden McGroin 6613]

35 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

There was one pass where he should have played it in front of Tino / Trippier (cant remember who) and he played it behind them and just fucked any attack we had.  He was just launching crosses with head down and was just shite. 

 

I think your hatred for Longstaff skews your view sometimes. There were loads of people on the pitch worse than him and you over analyse his mistakes. For AWB goal for example, Bruno was pick pocketed in midfield but you blamed Longstaff for not picking up the runner. If the roles were reversed you'd still 100% blame Longstaff.

[The Fish 10876]

2 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

Add Tonali to that list too.

Those I've mentioned have proven themselves, I'm not sure Tonali has yet.

[Holden McGroin 6613]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

the worst of them all. Really is time to upgrade that position. 

 

The RW is a massive problem and has been for over a year now.

[The Fish 10876]

1 hour ago, Toonpack said:

 

Two of the three you mentioned missed great chances (not for the first, or second, time this season) not sure that's the managers fault tbh.

 

The way we're playing is creating chances, but our supposed "crown jewels" aren't taking them.

 

I don't see the creativity. I see us making opportunities, but through function rather than flair. There's not enough invention, for my liking. Not enough joy.

[The Fish 10876]

2 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

 

The RW is a massive problem and has been for over a year now.

Minteh was the solution. 

 

And Anderson would have provided more creativity around the box last night as well.

 

[The Fish 10876]

11 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

 

I think your hatred for Longstaff skews your view sometimes. There were loads of people on the pitch worse than him and you over analyse his mistakes. For AWB goal for example, Bruno was pick pocketed in midfield but you blamed Longstaff for not picking up the runner. If the roles were reversed you'd still 100% blame Longstaff.

AWB should have been picked up by Joelinton, no?

[Holden McGroin 6613]

1 minute ago, The Fish said:

Minteh was the solution. 

 

And Anderson would have provided more creativity around the box last night as well.

 

 

Uh-oh. If you say Minteh and Anderson in the same post this guy appears

 

[Dazzler 9791]

Certainly feels like chances being presented to our players (and 90% of the time them shitting the bed) more than it feels like chances are being created.

 

Even the balls that landed in the box last night were mostly because of fortunate deflections after a shit cross.

 

When it clicks (or we tweak the set up slightly) we still look great, but when it doesn't (which is more often than not) it's fucking dreadful IMO.

[The Fish 10876]

7 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

Certainly feels like chances being presented to our players (and 90% of the time them shitting the bed) more than it feels like chances are being created.

 

Even the balls that landed in the box last night were mostly because of fortunate deflections after a shit cross.

 

When it clicks (or we tweak the set up slightly) we still look great, but when it doesn't (which is more often than not) it's fucking dreadful IMO.

 

It baffles me that, when we've got talent like Bruno, Gordon and Isak, we're still chiefly using our defensive line to act as the creative side of things. Our top 4 for touches were Hall, Schar, Kelly and Livramento. Lloyd Kelly had more touches than Isak and Gordon combined. Compare that to West Ham and their top 4 for touches were Paqueta, AWB, Soler and Bowen.

 

[Dazzler 9791]

18 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

It baffles me that, when we've got talent like Bruno, Gordon and Isak, we're still chiefly using our defensive line to act as the creative side of things. Our top 4 for touches were Hall, Schar, Kelly and Livramento. Lloyd Kelly had more touches than Isak and Gordon combined. Compare that to West Ham and their top 4 for touches were Paqueta, AWB, Soler and Bowen.

 

I think because we've relied so heavily on Trips and Schar that we're struggling to get out of that way of thinking. I get it with Hall as he can actually pick a pass, but Livramento can't. Kelly might be able to but certainly doesn't look it and Schar is great when it comes off and suicidal when it doesn't - thankfully it does come off a lot of the time.

 

I think Bruno is hit and miss in terms of actual creativity too as he has a tendency to dither on the ball looking to be fouled rather than looking to launch an attack.

[wykikitoon 20234]

1 hour ago, Holden McGroin said:

 

I think your hatred for Longstaff skews your view sometimes. There were loads of people on the pitch worse than him and you over analyse his mistakes. For AWB goal for example, Bruno was pick pocketed in midfield but you blamed Longstaff for not picking up the runner. If the roles were reversed you'd still 100% blame Longstaff.

U was referring to Murphy in the piece you quoted.

[wykikitoon 20234]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

Those I've mentioned have proven themselves, I'm not sure Tonali has yet.

I would say that's fair

[The Fish 10876]

56 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

I would say that's fair

[Toonpack 9479]

2 hours ago, The Fish said:

 

I don't see the creativity. I see us making opportunities, but through function rather than flair. There's not enough invention, for my liking. Not enough joy.

There’s certainly not enough goals but I don’t personally give a flying fuck how they’re created tbh.

[The Fish 10876]

8 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

There’s certainly not enough goals but I don’t personally give a flying fuck how they’re created tbh.

I do, if we have a few different ways to score that means we're harder to defend against and that would be good.

If we rely on shit just falling into our laps... well I shouldn't have to tell you that would be bad.

[ewerk 30680]

Maybe the mackems were right and every team we've beat has just been shit?  

[Toonpack 9479]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

I do, if we have a few different ways to score that means we're harder to defend against and that would be good.

If we rely on shit just falling into our laps... well I shouldn't have to tell you that would be bad.

We have created multiple chances, multiple ways, but our chance taking skills seemed to have utterly deserted us last night (not for the first time).