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[Toonpack 12123]

  On 25/11/2024 at 22:08, Dr Gloom said:

Willock was the biggest disappointment for me. He looked like he was playing himself into form but everything seems to bounce off him and he couldn’t argue with being hooked at half time. 
 

Isak too was another one who was below his best. Any a normal game he takes at least one of those chances 

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He's not looked on it, or at least as electric as he was, all season tbh

[Dr Gloom 24271]

  On 25/11/2024 at 22:13, Isegrim said:

I thought that even the chances we created weren’t really coming from fluid moves but rather the ball ending up at one of our players in decent positions by chance.

Our final balls lacked accuracy quite often and apart from two short spells we weren’t really putting West Ham under real pressure.

I really must have seen a different match than most today.

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If you don’t think we were the better side first half then yeah. We created enough high value chances to go in ahead or level at the very least. 
 

we were pants in the second half after their second, I agree with that 

[Isegrim 10744]

  On 25/11/2024 at 22:21, Dr Gloom said:

If you don’t think we were the better side first half then yeah. We created enough high value chances to go in ahead or level at the very least. 
 

we were pants in the second half after their second, I agree with that 

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I am not saying we weren’t the better team but think that we just looked ok'ish at best. We certainly got enough chances to score and I don’t think West Ham would have won then. But the mentality and the focus were already all wrong in the first half imho. There was hardly any structure in our attacking movement and a lot of the passing was wayward. That’s why West Ham got into the game despite looking very ordinary at best in the first half.

 

[Dr Gloom 24271]

I think on reflection it’s Howe’s worst managerial performance. We controlled the first half and there were goals in it for us, despite being a goal down, but his arse fell out second half after their second went in and he threw on everything he had on the bench like he was playing a game of fifa. We ended up looking so ragged and disjointed. So unlike Howe 

[Isegrim 10744]

  On 25/11/2024 at 22:33, Dr Gloom said:

I think on reflection it’s Howe’s worst managerial performance. We controlled the first half and there were goals in it for us, despite being a goal down, but his arse fell out second half after their second went in and he threw on everything he had on the bench like he was playing a game of fifa. We ended up looking so ragged and disjointed. So unlike Howe 

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I totally disagree with this as well tbh. He had to bring on someone at halftime with Willock being injured. Both Gordon and Joelinton weren’t having good games on either wing despite trying to fix things by them switching sides. Getting Barnes on and playing Joelinton in the centre to try to boss the midfield was a logical thing tbh.

The other substitutions came after them punishing us a second time. Again getting Tonali on for Longstaff to get a bit more of an impetus from central midfield looked like the right idea to me as well considering how the game was going. The same goes for switching two 4-4-2 to keep Isak and Wilson on the field as well as getting on Murphy to feeding Wilson with balls into the box.

 

This loss is down to the players not playing with the right mentality but not to poor tactics or substitutions. If Howe is to blame for not being focused enough is a different question though. Motivation doesn’t seem to be his strength tbh.

Edited November 25, 2024 by Isegrim

[GrahamTaylor5 1217]

  On 25/11/2024 at 22:03, Renton said:

Think theres some over reactions here like. Fine margins and all that. On another day we win that comfortably. 

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Spot on.

[Dr Gloom 24271]

  On 25/11/2024 at 22:47, Isegrim said:

I totally disagree with this as well tbh. He had to bring on someone at halftime with Willock being injured. Both Gordon and Joelinton weren’t having good games on either wing despite trying to fix things by them switching sides. Getting Barnes on and playing Joelinton in the centre to try to boss the midfield was a logical thing tbh.

The other substitutions came after them punishing us a second time. Again getting Tonali on for Longstaff to get a bit more of an impetus from central midfield looked like the right idea to me as well considering how the game was going. The same goes for switching two 4-4-2 to keep Isak and Wilson on the field as well as getting on Murphy to feeding Wilson with balls into the box.

 

This loss is down to the players not playing with the right mentality but not to poor tactics or substitutions. If Howe is to blame for not being focused enough is a different question though. Motivation doesn’t seem to be his strength tbh.

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We out xgd them first half and started the second half the better side. We controlled the game and were unlucky to be a goal down. 

 

The chances were there for us if we stuck to the game plan. Heads dropped after the second goal went in, okay, i’ll give you that, and he was forced to make some changes but it was panic stations from howe for the final third of the match with square pegs in round holes and a formation where clearly no one knew what the fuck they were supposed to be doing.  
 

At times we had Gordon dropping centrally as some sort of link up player, Lewis hall in midfield, Tino at left back, Isak doing I don’t know what in a deeper role. And Jacob Murphy, well. I’ve seen enough of that kid in a Newcastle shirt 

[Dr Gloom 24271]

  On 25/11/2024 at 22:03, Renton said:

Think theres some over reactions here like. Fine margins and all that. On another day we win that comfortably. 

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oh, 100%. It was only the last half hour or so when it went tits up. 

[Isegrim 10744]

  On 25/11/2024 at 23:06, Dr Gloom said:

We out xgd them first half and started the second half the better side. We controlled the game and were unlucky to be a goal down. 

 

The chances were there for us if we stuck to the game plan. Heads dropped after the second goal went in, okay, i’ll give you that, and he was forced to make some changes but it was panic stations from howe for the final third of the match with square pegs in round holes and a formation where clearly no one knew what the fuck they were supposed to be doing.  
 

At times we had Gordon dropping centrally as some sort of link up player, Lewis hall in midfield, Tino at left back, Isak doing I don’t know what in a deeper role. And Jacob Murphy, well. I’ve seen enough of that kid in a Newcastle shirt 

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XGed my arse. This rubbish does nothing to explain team play and how well those missed chances were created.

 

As well for sticking with the game plan. Wilson and Murphy came on in the 68th minute, 15 minutes after they had scored their second and with West Ham already dominating the game and us getting gradually worse every minute. The game plan already had stopped working for some time.

 

Players were all over the place the whole game tbh. Our positional awareness (triangles and this shit) was very poor quite often yesterday, especially on our right side. As much as I really like Tino but he too often has no awareness when to go on the overlap and when to drift inside.

 

We probably lacked a player like Trippier yesterday able to give instructions on the pitch and make other aware of mistakes.

[wykikitoon 23754]

  On 26/11/2024 at 06:35, Isegrim said:

We probably lacked a player like Trippier yesterday able to give instructions on the pitch and make other aware of mistakes.

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As soon as they scored, all composure went out of the window.  We fell to pieces.  IMO Trippier is on the pitch he calms people down.

Bruno isn't a captain.  He is a passionate, emotional lad.  Not a captain.

[Dr Gloom 24271]

  On 26/11/2024 at 06:35, Isegrim said:

XGed my arse. This rubbish does nothing to explain team play and how well those missed chances were created.

 

As well for sticking with the game plan. Wilson and Murphy came on in the 68th minute, 15 minutes after they had scored their second and with West Ham already dominating the game and us getting gradually worse every minute. The game plan already had stopped working for some time.

 

Players were all over the place the whole game tbh. Our positional awareness (triangles and this shit) was very poor quite often yesterday, especially on our right side. As much as I really like Tino but he too often has no awareness when to go on the overlap and when to drift inside.

 

We probably lacked a player like Trippier yesterday able to give instructions on the pitch and make other aware of mistakes.

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what xG does explain is we should have been ahead first half. If we score one of the many big chances created the crowd get involved and it’s a totally different game. Up until their second goal went in West Ham had registered two shots on goal. They scored both of them. We are in control before their second goal, despite being behind and there were clearly goals in the game for us. It was after their second goal that we fell apart. Until then I was pretty happy with what I saw, apart from the continued failure to take chances.

 

I don’t know what’s happened to our finishing this season. Last season those opportunities were going in. 

Edited November 26, 2024 by Dr Gloom

[Isegrim 10744]

I was much happier with our performances against Everton and Brighton.

[Renton 24485]

  On 26/11/2024 at 07:32, Dr Gloom said:

what xG does explain is we should have been ahead first half. If we score one of the many big chances created the crowd get involved and it’s a totally different game. Up until their second goal went in West Ham had registered two shots on goal. They scored both of them. We are in control before their second goal, despite being behind and there were clearly goals in the game for us. It was after their second goal that we fell apart. Until then I was pretty happy with what I saw, apart from the continued failure to take chances.

 

I don’t know what’s happened to our finishing this season. Last season those opportunities were going in. 

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Yeah, that's the main thing, our sharpness in front of goal. I don't know how Howe can legislate for that. 

I thought we were comfortably the better team before the second. After that we panicked and lost faith. It happens. 

[Dr Gloom 24271]

  On 26/11/2024 at 08:31, Isegrim said:

I was much happier with our performances against Everton and Brighton.

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I think it was quite similar to both of those games - we controlled large parts, created the better chances and should have scored a few if we could hit a barn door.
 

I was hoping we had turned a corner after Forest and Chelsea but we’ve seen this performance so many times this season against the so-called lesser teams.

 

The difference this time was how we fell apart in the last half hour, the panicked nature of Howe’s subs and what followed - our structure and game plan completely falling apart in the closing stages.

[Dr Gloom 24271]

  On 26/11/2024 at 07:03, LongTimeAdmirer said:

Mourinho's name getting thrown around on twitter 

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[wykikitoon 23754]

Looking back.  Last night was weird, that we didn't have composure at all.  That wasn't just in front of goal, but it was all over the pitch.

 

After they scored we shit our pants.  Yet we still look threatening more than them.  They were happy to soak up the pressure and go for us on the break.  If we had just calmed down and not started throwing aimless crosses in, I am sure we would have got the goal.

 

I think this RW now is critical. But IMO that's not going to be addressed in Jan.  I think it will be a Summer address.

 

Like Gemmill said we needs refresh, we have too many players that aren't able to make the step up now and it's starting to stink the place a bit.
 

[sammynb 3961]

BDB like Trippier emanates calmness in the team, regardless of the shite he gets, he was a huge miss last night.

They are looking more and more like a team that thinks they only need to turn up against the "top" teams.

Disappointing when Lewis Hall, a kid of 20, is consistantly your best player, especially when you consider the rest of the squad.

[The Fish 11413]

The way we're playing isn't getting the most from Bruno, Isak or Gordon and frankly with that amount of talent, it's pretty damning that Howe isn't getting it done. 

 

 

[wykikitoon 23754]

  On 26/11/2024 at 09:56, The Fish said:

The way we're playing isn't getting the most from Bruno, Isak or Gordon and frankly with that amount of talent, it's pretty damning that Howe isn't getting it done. 

 

 

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Add Tonali to that list too.

[Dazzler 12615]

  On 26/11/2024 at 07:03, LongTimeAdmirer said:

Mourinho's name getting thrown around on twitter 

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Thank god they're all mongs on twitter so it'll be getting thrown in the bin or mistaken for a crayon and thrown up someone's bum.

[Toonpack 12123]

  On 26/11/2024 at 09:56, The Fish said:

The way we're playing isn't getting the most from Bruno, Isak or Gordon and frankly with that amount of talent, it's pretty damning that Howe isn't getting it done. 

 

 

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Two of the three you mentioned missed great chances (not for the first, or second, time this season) not sure that's the managers fault tbh.

 

The way we're playing is creating chances, but our supposed "crown jewels" aren't taking them.

[MrBass 3181]

  On 26/11/2024 at 06:35, Isegrim said:

Players were all over the place the whole game tbh. Our positional awareness (triangles and this shit) was very poor quite often yesterday, especially on our right side. As much as I really like Tino but he too often has no awareness when to go on the overlap and when to drift inside.

 

We probably lacked a player like Trippier yesterday able to give instructions on the pitch and make other aware of mistakes.

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  On 25/11/2024 at 20:38, MrBass said:

Livramento needs to think quicker in the final third. Probably his only weakness. 

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[wykikitoon 23754]

There was a couple of instances last night where Longstaff was on the edge of their box and was paralysed.  Joe wanted a runner to get the ball through but he couldn't move.  It's absolutely frustrating as fuck.

[sammynb 3961]

  On 26/11/2024 at 10:27, wykikitoon said:

There was a couple of instances last night where Longstaff was on the edge of their box and was paralysed.  Joe wanted a runner to get the ball through but he couldn't move.  It's absolutely frustrating as fuck.

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He wasn't the only one. Isak never seems to follow anything in on the keeper. And Gordon, just looks so off and has pretty much all this season (and it's not because he is shite Monique).

There can be no excuse about fitness, we're almost in December.

[Toonpack 12123]

  On 26/11/2024 at 10:27, wykikitoon said:

There was a couple of instances last night where Longstaff was on the edge of their box and was paralysed.  Joe wanted a runner to get the ball through but he couldn't move.  It's absolutely frustrating as fuck.

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Longstaff (however much you may want to believe it) didn't cause us to lose last night, we fell apart when he was taken off. We lost because our "expensive" players can't hit a barn door.

 

P.S. Joe would have overhit/misplaced the pass anyway as he (and Bruno) did several other times.

 

If anyone was dire last night it was Willock, he offered nothing and Barnes was invisible. But it's all Longstaff's fault.