Eddies play shit n win or play well n lose mags vs Cole Palmer

[Holden McGroin 7625]

The next three games are vital. There is a good chance we could lose all 3 and be out of the league cup.

 

The pressure will then truly be on. I’ll be gutted when he leaves as I think he has been dealt a shitty hand over the summer but it’s clearly going sour. He needs to halt the bad results pretty sharpish. 

 

[wykikitoon 22904]

Even if we lost the next 3 which is still very highly considering the next two especially, I don't see us sacking him.

[wykikitoon 22904]

I say that because ;

Everton - Missed Pen, we still had chances to score though. - No forward
Brighton - We created chances, couldn't finish. Isak first game back and rusty.

Chelsea - We still created a couple of chances and Isak scored.

If (I know, if) Gordon puts that pen away v Everton and we win, confidence is up.
If we score the chances at Brighton it makes things today different.

I just think that changes a lot of things.

 

HOWE-EVER.  If they do stick with Howe through to Jan, they need to fucking back him in Jan.

[ewerk 33226]

2 hours ago, Isegrim said:

It’s obviously doing wonders to improve Isak‘s moral.

If it were me I’d probably wait until after I’d scored more than a solitary goal before demanding a bigger wage.

[The Mighty Hog 581]

It's hard to say how long he would be given. Howe would be our first proper managerial sacking under this lot. We haven't really got a proper CEO with Eales needing replaced. Last time Staveley seemed to do a lot of the leg work (and perhaps some leaking with regards Emery) only to have to wait for the green light from Saudi Towers. If the Saudi's are as ruthless as everyone says with regards their projects we've not seen it here, everything has been meticulous. The PSR thing was the only major balls up, albeit one that seemed to fuck us in two windows.

[Renton 23685]

43 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

The next three games are vital. There is a good chance we could lose all 3 and be out of the league cup.

 

The pressure will then truly be on. I’ll be gutted when he leaves as I think he has been dealt a shitty hand over the summer but it’s clearly going sour. He needs to halt the bad results pretty sharpish. 

 

 

We'll win on Wednesday. If we don't, I'm officially worried. 

[Holden McGroin 7625]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

We'll win on Wednesday. If we don't, I'm officially worried. 

It won’t be pretty getting beat off Chelsea A then Chelsea B.

[Renton 23685]

Just now, Holden McGroin said:

It won’t be pretty getting beat off Chelsea A then Chelsea B.

 

I think Howe has to go all out. If Palmer is rested, we'll win. We've got a good home record against Chelsea haven't we? 

 

[wykikitoon 22904]

I'm sure Howe will. 

 

The big thing for me is we haven't had a full 90 minutes this season (that I remember anyways!) where I can say 'mint we deserved that win'. 

[OTF 8419]

5 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

The fact that longstaff is still getting a game when he can't pass a ball ten fucking yards. Useless cunt back on 40 a day

Should be giving some minutes to Miley to get him back up to match sharpness.

[wykikitoon 22904]

2 minutes ago, OTF said:

Should be giving some minutes to Miley to get him back up to match sharpness.

He won't rush him in fitness

 

[OTF 8419]

1 hour ago, Holden McGroin said:

It won’t be pretty getting beat off Chelsea A then Chelsea B.

 

I mean even if they switch out their first 11 they'll be on higher wages than the team we put out.

[OTF 8419]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

He won't rush him in fitness

 

Fitness isn't stopping Longstaff from playing.

[strawb 4639]

This is probably the 40 year old in me. But having watched how we are trying to play this season, it’s not much different from the season we finished 4th.

 

The difference is the players aren’t performing, Isak missing chances he wouldn’t have missed, Gordon being off the boil, Bruno has been shite all season, Joelinton not winning any duels the whole season. The players to a man, in my mind, have been shite. 
 

It’s easy to blame the manager in situations like this, but I bet my mortgage that Howe and the coaching staff haven’t change much in what they are doing day to day. So when do the players take responsibility? 
 

Im also open to the possibility that the players have been unsettled in numerous ways, and don’t buy that players are robots who can play well despite the noise. 
 

But there has to be a sense of person responsibility for all players, if you are playing worse than previously for no obvious reason that surely that’s on you personally? 
 

The manager will probably end up carrying the can for it, but there’s some lads in our team who aren’t pulling their weight and they need to look at themselves.

[Dougle 3683]

4 hours ago, thebrokendoll said:

the decline in the team which finished 4th to the one we're watching currently a mere season and a bit later is both eye wateringly rapid and all very depressing.

bit like watching the leeds team which were 1st division champions but narrowly escaped relegation in the inaugural premier league season a year later... except this isn't funny.

while there might well be unrest in the background with the loss of staveley and her chap and a tragically played out in public conflict since the introduction of mitchell, this isn't enough to excuse howe any longer for me. we've been fucking dismal all season, we've been fucking dismal for a season and a quarter away from home. he appears to be failing to get the best out of some quality players available to him.

exit the league cup and drop another couple of places in the league in the next 6 days and he can fuck off.

 

Harsh but, sadly, possibly true.

[RobinRobin 12486]

4 hours ago, strawb said:

But there has to be a sense of person responsibility for all players, if you are playing worse than previously for no obvious reason that surely that’s on you personally? 
 

The manager will probably end up carrying the can for it, but there’s some lads in our team who aren’t pulling their weight and they need to look at themselves.

Eddie seems to be too loyal, which I think is his downfall.  There are players who he does not want to lose, such as Trippier, Wilson, Miggy, Longstaff who almost certainly need to go and be replaced.   He can be ruthless, but only with players he falls out with, such as the midget.  We would have kept Dummett and Ritchie if we had got into Europe, because they were good around the club.

He is too loyal to his system and the players within it.  

He's the best manager we've seen for many years, but he seems perhaps to have reached a plateau, as he did with Bournemouth.

I hope I'm wrong and he can turn this round, but something is very definitely off with the team and the coaching staff.

Just sadness at the decline.  Definitely don't want derbies back if we are playing like this. 

[Isegrim 10357]

9 hours ago, ewerk said:

If it were me I’d probably wait until after I’d scored more than a solitary goal before demanding a bigger wage.

If it was about you I would let Gemmill sort out your contract.

[Gemmill 49975]

39 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

If it was about you I would let Gemmill sort out your P45. 

 

[PaddockLad 19013]

This Bournemouth fan’s opinion is, rightly or wrongly, echoed by many NUFC supporters today.. if you look at the facts as to which players are available to him and why that is the case it’s probably not a decent comparison but the implied tactical inflexibility certainly is…

 

 

Its from this article in The Athletic…

 

 

[Kid Dynamite 7638]

There's definitely a nagging worry that Howe's style of play has plateaued and he doesn't have a plan B.

 

The season we finished 4th we played every game as if we were the underdogs in an FA cup 3rd round match. Hunting in packs, first to every ball, outdoing anyone else's intensity.
 

That was never going to be sustainable though and it's possibly the reason we picked up so many injuries last season. Can honestly see us finishing bottom half at this rate 

[Christmas Tree 5105]

Haven’t read through the thread, but can’t really say I blame Eddie for any of this. He’s done magnificently since joining and surpassed our wildest dreams with the squad we’ve had, but that was never going to be sustainable given the lack of investment.

 

We have an average clunky keeper, 2 central defenders missing and 2 ageing and average central defenders playing. We have 2 kids and LB and RB who show great potential but probably wouldn’t be 1st choice in many other top teams.

 

Upfront we have one top striker who seems to have lost all confidence and belief and are spoilt for choice on the RW with either Murphy or Miggy. Again 2 players who wouldn’t get a game elsewhere.

 

Then we have a midfield where we seem spoilt for choice, but seems dragged left right and centre by what’s going on behind and in front of it. 
 

Howe has done very well all considered, but only so long you can polish a turd.

 

No one is coming to buy the deadwood so we are going to have to sell one or two of the “diamonds”, reinvest and rebuild.

[Gemmill 49975]

1 hour ago, PaddockLad said:

This Bournemouth fan’s opinion is, rightly or wrongly, echoed by many NUFC supporters today.. if you look at the facts as to which players are available to him and why that is the case it’s probably not a decent comparison but the implied tactical inflexibility certainly is…

 

 

Its from this article in The Athletic…

 

 

 

I'd say wedded to a formation that isn't working is undeniable, but he's maybe learned his lesson about being too loyal to players. Trippier moved aside for the younger option (possibly even a bit too early) and Tonali eased in now ahead of Longstaff. 

 

I think our current problems largely come down to an ageing (at the back), underpowered (up front) squad, and PSR has to take a good chunk of the blame for that. Set free in the transfer window, and with more competition across the squad, it's unthinkable that we wouldn't be looking much better than we are now. 

[Holden McGroin 7625]

The Tonali deal has been a disaster. He seems likeable and willing to put the effort in but it’s just not working for him yet. I reckon he’ll back in Italy in the Summer.

 

The fullbacks are young and I think they’ll develop well but are prone to a mistake defensively. Botman would make a massive difference but I’m not sure he’ll come back as good as he was.

 

The Osulu business seems awful. He isn’t anywhere near a first team player and is already 21. He probably needs to go on loan to a foreign team in hope he develops quickly but we’ve poured £15m down the drain for someone that isn’t trusted to play. 

 

Howe just doesn’t seem to like/trust Barnes. I’m not sure he has ever completed a full 90 minutes. 
 

With tweaks we can come good but it’s looking like we are a mid table team this year. 

 

 

[Dazzler 11820]

The problem at Bournemouth was his team's inability to defend. He left Bournemouth, spent time with elite coaches and came to us with his improved philosophy that meant we had the best defensive record in Europe (if not the world at the time). The problem is that we no longer have the mean defence, and teams seem to find it far too easy to break on us. It's suicide having Schar and Burn high up the pitch when they both have the turning circle and acceleration of a bin wagon. 

 

That's partly on Howe IMO - I get he wanted Guehi to add a bit of pace to our centre back pairing but he didn't get him but has set us up as if we did anyway.

 

He managed to get a tune out of what he had at his disposal once upon a time but now when the system fails it seems like the only answer available is to change the parts and not the system which is a worry for me.

 

I'd love nothing more than him to tweak the set up and turn it around, I'd happily eat that humble pie - but I am not convinced he's going to do that.

[Dazzler 11820]

6 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

I'd say wedded to a formation that isn't working is undeniable, but he's maybe learned his lesson about being too loyal to players. Trippier moved aside for the younger option (possibly even a bit too early) and Tonali eased in now ahead of Longstaff. 

 

I think our current problems largely come down to an ageing (at the back), underpowered (up front) squad, and PSR has to take a good chunk of the blame for that. Set free in the transfer window, and with more competition across the squad, it's unthinkable that we wouldn't be looking much better than we are now. 

You say that about Trippier but until his injury he'd very much taken his spot back.

 

I can't help but think that was because Bruno just isn't cutting it with the armband and he wanted more leadership on the pitch because Bruno has pretty much stank the place out since he got that "promotion"