Eddies play shit n win or play well n lose mags vs Cole Palmer

[wykikitoon 22904]

The fact that longstaff is still getting a game when he can't pass a ball ten fucking yards. Useless cunt back on 40 a day

[aimaad22 4690]

4 minutes ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

Our players can’t pass, we can’t change things up, we are easy to suss out tactically and our substitutions are predictable and desperate. That’s all down to the manager.

 Yes but much of the way we played depended on limited players performing well above their level. Declining players. And we haven't replaced them. 

[Chaser 1367]

I still don't think our best players are consistent enough. There's the call that we must get European competition so that these players stay but I don't see them making significant contributions to ensure that we get the results to keep them here. 

[wykikitoon 22904]

Our so called Blue Chip players have been bang average this season. Our best players have been Hall and Barnes.  The latter having a poor one today.

[Dougle 3683]

Isak man.

[Dazzler 11820]

13 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said:

I’ve kept my counsel so far on the Howe/Mitchell etc situation, but…

 

… when every single player in the side is evidently underperforming, you have to look beyond the players and wonder what’s going on to cause/fail to address this? 
 

I am 100% prepared to give Howe the benefit of the doubt here, it’s no great secret that there’s been shenanigans behind the scenes with power reshuffles and whatever, but there has to be a response on the pitch to our woeful form and if Edward can’t get that response then questions will rightfully be asked. 
 

That’s not to say it’s his fault tbh, we’ve been ridiculously hobbled by the crooked rules as far as improving the squad is concerned, but he’ll be the one to get blamed if it doesn’t improve sharpish. 
 

I wonder if we’re seeing what I’ve always suspected, that Stavely and Ghoudossi were the ones who had his back, and now that they’ve gone, he’s on his own against a “hostile” board? 
 

 

It’s not solely his fault but the more he avoids making tactical changes the more it appears like he’s unable to. It could be that we’re a RW and a quick centre half away from getting back to our best but I think Mitchell may well be networking for his choice of first team coach soon if things don’t turn around.

 

The only thing I think that would avoid that (assuming form doesn’t improve) is that there are literally no managers worth replacing him with at the minute. He may end up in the Ten Hag role of you’ll do because there’s no one else.

[aimaad22 4690]

Bruno is the biggest concern for me. Previously even when he wasn't playing well he would at least get into people's faces, be tenacious and lift those around him. 

 

Now it all just seems half arsed blended with Longstaff level passing. And he got the arm band ffs. Did it come with a morphine drip? 

[aimaad22 4690]

Maybe Sven Botman was the key to it all

[Ayatollah Hermione 14686]

6 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

It’s not solely his fault but the more he avoids making tactical changes the more it appears like he’s unable to. It could be that we’re a RW and a quick centre half away from getting back to our best but I think Mitchell may well be networking for his choice of first team coach soon if things don’t turn around.

 

The only thing I think that would avoid that (assuming form doesn’t improve) is that there are literally no managers worth replacing him with at the minute. He may end up in the Ten Hag role of you’ll do because there’s no one else.

If we don’t have the money spare to poach a good manager then we may as well pack it in now 

[Gemmill 49975]

This stuff about how we can't sign Isak to an improved contract cos we've just signed Gordon to one, and PSR won't allow us to do the same with Isak. 

 

That is a situation that cannot be allowed to continue. Not only is it preventing us from strengthening, it's preventing us from retaining out best players. It's total bullshit. 

[Isegrim 10357]

12 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

This stuff about how we can't sign Isak to an improved contract cos we've just signed Gordon to one, and PSR won't allow us to do the same with Isak. 

 

That is a situation that cannot be allowed to continue. Not only is it preventing us from strengthening, it's preventing us from retaining out best players. It's total bullshit. 

But it wouldn’t be fair to the likes of Chelsea and Tottenham as well as Liverpool and Arsenal if we were allowed to catch up in the next decade.

[wykikitoon 22904]

We have the richest owners in the world. Surely we have some serious legal mother fuckers looking at this?

[Dazzler 11820]

21 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

This stuff about how we can't sign Isak to an improved contract cos we've just signed Gordon to one, and PSR won't allow us to do the same with Isak. 

 

That is a situation that cannot be allowed to continue. Not only is it preventing us from strengthening, it's preventing us from retaining out best players. It's total bullshit. 

Is that direct from the club or a Hopey special? Because that seems insane, surely if we extend his contract we can stretch his amortised transfer fee for another season too so any increase in weekly wage could realistically offset against that.

 

Either that or does MBS have any hotels he can gift us that we can sell him back?

[Dazzler 11820]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

We have the richest owners in the world. Surely we have some serious legal mother fuckers looking at this?

I don’t think fucking your mother is legal tbh

[Gemmill 49975]

1 minute ago, Dazzler said:

Is that direct from the club or a Hopey special? Because that seems insane, surely if we extend his contract we can stretch his amortised transfer fee for another season too so any increase in weekly wage could realistically offset against that.

 

Either that or does MBS have any hotels he can gift us that we can sell him back?

 

It's from Howe himself. 

[Renton 23685]

1 hour ago, Monkeys Fist said:

 

I wonder if we’re seeing what I’ve always suspected, that Stavely and Ghoudossi were the ones who had his back, and now that they’ve gone, he’s on his own against a “hostile” board? 

 

Aye, I reckon that's it. Experienced it myself, you lose a line manager you worked well with, and suddenly you're exposed to the bullshit from the big cheeses, and searching LinkedIn for other opportunities every evening. 

[wykikitoon 22904]

7 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

It's from Howe himself. 

Is this now Howe making excuses?  Either to appear to make excuses for the club, or for himself?

[Gemmill 49975]

6 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Is this now Howe making excuses?  Either to appear to make excuses for the club, or for himself?

He was asked about Isak's contract situation and said we're not currently in talks with him because of concerns about the PSR implications. I think he's likely just repeating what he's been told. 

[wykikitoon 22904]

Just now, Gemmill said:

He was asked about Isak's contract situation and said we're not currently in talks with him because of concerns about the PSR implications. I think he's likely just repeating what he's been told. 

Probably instead of 'Craig, you're a miserable cunt who hasn't got a clue and for some fucking reason we still let you in here to play at journalism'

 

[Alex 36727]

1 hour ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

Our players can’t pass, we can’t change things up, we are easy to suss out tactically and our substitutions are predictable and desperate. That’s all down to the manager.

Well it’s a bit more nuanced than that for the reasons given by Fist. But what I would say is that he almost always plays the same formation, even if that means square pegs in round holes due to injuries. And he rarely changes the formation even when he does make changes by bringing on subs. Given the amount of analysis teams do that makes us predictable opponents. 
That said, we aren’t blessed with a huge squad, which isn’t on Howe at all. So maybe he thinks there’s only one effective way of playing with players at his disposal 

[thebrokendoll 10283]

the decline in the team which finished 4th to the one we're watching currently a mere season and a bit later is both eye wateringly rapid and all very depressing.

bit like watching the leeds team which were 1st division champions but narrowly escaped relegation in the inaugural premier league season a year later... except this isn't funny.

while there might well be unrest in the background with the loss of staveley and her chap and a tragically played out in public conflict since the introduction of mitchell, this isn't enough to excuse howe any longer for me. we've been fucking dismal all season, we've been fucking dismal for a season and a quarter away from home. he appears to be failing to get the best out of some quality players available to him.

exit the league cup and drop another couple of places in the league in the next 6 days and he can fuck off.

[thebrokendoll 10283]

7 minutes ago, Alex said:

 So maybe he thinks there’s only one effective way of playing with players at his disposal 

 

the same players that finished 4th plus the addition of tonali, barnes, livramento and hall?

[Isegrim 10357]

31 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

He was asked about Isak's contract situation and said we're not currently in talks with him because of concerns about the PSR implications. I think he's likely just repeating what he's been told. 

It’s obviously doing wonders to improve Isak‘s moral.

[Alex 36727]

55 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

the same players that finished 4th plus the addition of tonali, barnes, livramento and hall?

It’s not really that simple, is it? Wilson and Trippier aren’t anything like the players they were due to age, injuries catching up with them. In particular having only one fit proper CF who is able to start and do a job in the PL has been a crippling limitation. The uptick in the performances of limited players like Longstaff, Almiron and Murphy hasn’t proven to be sustainable (not really a shock there either). Botman and Lascelles getting injured is massively problematic too. The former is a huge miss while the latter couldn’t be sold to bolster the squad. Anderson was sold to meet PSR requirements. You would think he’d have got game time. Miley is out injured, ditto.  
All that plus coming 4th being a massive overachievement 

Edited October 27, 2024 by Alex

[Howmanheyman 36612]

Even good sides with really good players who've played above themselves can't always keep it going with limited refreshments to the squad. Eddie had an insane run from the second half of the takeover season and kept it up throughout the following season with a few upgrades and everyone pulling out every bit of effort going from themselves. Sometimes, like Mourinho was accused of, players can't keep it going for more than a couple of years. Also, as we've all said, Wilson being the missing man has been a big minus for Isak as real competition for strikers is not only good for the club but keeps their own game at a higher level. Trips is older, Burn is older, Schar is older, miggy has never, bar one purple patch been a scorer, Barnes is a fabulous striker of the ball but a bit lightweight in other areas, Botman is a huge miss and he doesn't seem to know what to do about his midfield. Sandro should be up to fitness where he doesn't have to come off every game after an hour, big Joe and Bruno are certainly not infallible so maybe bench and of the boys from Brazil if a little kick up the arse is required to concentrate minds? We could've got a draw today despite being shit, we also should've had six points from the two previous games but only managed one, it's strange. I'd be seriously tempted to put Isak on the right when Wilson is fit for some games, or just give Isak a rest altogether.