Eddies play shit n win or play well n lose mags vs Cole Palmer

[thebrokendoll 9188]

7 minutes ago, Alex said:

 So maybe he thinks there’s only one effective way of playing with players at his disposal 

 

the same players that finished 4th plus the addition of tonali, barnes, livramento and hall?

[Isegrim 9761]

31 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

He was asked about Isak's contract situation and said we're not currently in talks with him because of concerns about the PSR implications. I think he's likely just repeating what he's been told. 

It’s obviously doing wonders to improve Isak‘s moral.

[Alex 35060]

55 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

the same players that finished 4th plus the addition of tonali, barnes, livramento and hall?

It’s not really that simple, is it? Wilson and Trippier aren’t anything like the players they were due to age, injuries catching up with them. In particular having only one fit proper CF who is able to start and do a job in the PL has been a crippling limitation. The uptick in the performances of limited players like Longstaff, Almiron and Murphy hasn’t proven to be sustainable (not really a shock there either). Botman and Lascelles getting injured is massively problematic too. The former is a huge miss while the latter couldn’t be sold to bolster the squad. Anderson was sold to meet PSR requirements. You would think he’d have got game time. Miley is out injured, ditto.  
All that plus coming 4th being a massive overachievement 

Edited October 27 by Alex

[Howmanheyman 33121]

Even good sides with really good players who've played above themselves can't always keep it going with limited refreshments to the squad. Eddie had an insane run from the second half of the takeover season and kept it up throughout the following season with a few upgrades and everyone pulling out every bit of effort going from themselves. Sometimes, like Mourinho was accused of, players can't keep it going for more than a couple of years. Also, as we've all said, Wilson being the missing man has been a big minus for Isak as real competition for strikers is not only good for the club but keeps their own game at a higher level. Trips is older, Burn is older, Schar is older, miggy has never, bar one purple patch been a scorer, Barnes is a fabulous striker of the ball but a bit lightweight in other areas, Botman is a huge miss and he doesn't seem to know what to do about his midfield. Sandro should be up to fitness where he doesn't have to come off every game after an hour, big Joe and Bruno are certainly not infallible so maybe bench and of the boys from Brazil if a little kick up the arse is required to concentrate minds? We could've got a draw today despite being shit, we also should've had six points from the two previous games but only managed one, it's strange. I'd be seriously tempted to put Isak on the right when Wilson is fit for some games, or just give Isak a rest altogether. 

[Holden McGroin 6581]

The next three games are vital. There is a good chance we could lose all 3 and be out of the league cup.

 

The pressure will then truly be on. I’ll be gutted when he leaves as I think he has been dealt a shitty hand over the summer but it’s clearly going sour. He needs to halt the bad results pretty sharpish. 

 

[wykikitoon 20112]

Even if we lost the next 3 which is still very highly considering the next two especially, I don't see us sacking him.

[wykikitoon 20112]

I say that because ;

Everton - Missed Pen, we still had chances to score though. - No forward
Brighton - We created chances, couldn't finish. Isak first game back and rusty.

Chelsea - We still created a couple of chances and Isak scored.

If (I know, if) Gordon puts that pen away v Everton and we win, confidence is up.
If we score the chances at Brighton it makes things today different.

I just think that changes a lot of things.

 

HOWE-EVER.  If they do stick with Howe through to Jan, they need to fucking back him in Jan.

[ewerk 30550]

2 hours ago, Isegrim said:

It’s obviously doing wonders to improve Isak‘s moral.

If it were me I’d probably wait until after I’d scored more than a solitary goal before demanding a bigger wage.

[The Mighty Hog 518]

It's hard to say how long he would be given. Howe would be our first proper managerial sacking under this lot. We haven't really got a proper CEO with Eales needing replaced. Last time Staveley seemed to do a lot of the leg work (and perhaps some leaking with regards Emery) only to have to wait for the green light from Saudi Towers. If the Saudi's are as ruthless as everyone says with regards their projects we've not seen it here, everything has been meticulous. The PSR thing was the only major balls up, albeit one that seemed to fuck us in two windows.

[LongTimeAdmirer 1256]

We had the easiest opening fixtures and are 12th. The team are not playing well together. Our set pieces are dreadful. Our top players are all in poor form. We signed no one over the last two windows. We have no Europe or major injuries to distract us. We could be 16th this time next week. Also, he spat his dummy out over the summer and this season has been a train wreck.

 

 

People are going to have to come round to the idea that Howe may not be here for much longer and stop talking about what he achieved in the (soon to be) distant past.

[Renton 21570]

43 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

The next three games are vital. There is a good chance we could lose all 3 and be out of the league cup.

 

The pressure will then truly be on. I’ll be gutted when he leaves as I think he has been dealt a shitty hand over the summer but it’s clearly going sour. He needs to halt the bad results pretty sharpish. 

 

 

We'll win on Wednesday. If we don't, I'm officially worried. 

[Holden McGroin 6581]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

We'll win on Wednesday. If we don't, I'm officially worried. 

It won’t be pretty getting beat off Chelsea A then Chelsea B.

[Renton 21570]

Just now, Holden McGroin said:

It won’t be pretty getting beat off Chelsea A then Chelsea B.

 

I think Howe has to go all out. If Palmer is rested, we'll win. We've got a good home record against Chelsea haven't we? 

 

[wykikitoon 20112]

I'm sure Howe will. 

 

The big thing for me is we haven't had a full 90 minutes this season (that I remember anyways!) where I can say 'mint we deserved that win'. 

[OTF 7295]

5 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

The fact that longstaff is still getting a game when he can't pass a ball ten fucking yards. Useless cunt back on 40 a day

Should be giving some minutes to Miley to get him back up to match sharpness.

[wykikitoon 20112]

2 minutes ago, OTF said:

Should be giving some minutes to Miley to get him back up to match sharpness.

He won't rush him in fitness

 

[OTF 7295]

1 hour ago, Holden McGroin said:

It won’t be pretty getting beat off Chelsea A then Chelsea B.

 

I mean even if they switch out their first 11 they'll be on higher wages than the team we put out.

[OTF 7295]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

He won't rush him in fitness

 

Fitness isn't stopping Longstaff from playing.

[strawb 4247]

This is probably the 40 year old in me. But having watched how we are trying to play this season, it’s not much different from the season we finished 4th.

 

The difference is the players aren’t performing, Isak missing chances he wouldn’t have missed, Gordon being off the boil, Bruno has been shite all season, Joelinton not winning any duels the whole season. The players to a man, in my mind, have been shite. 
 

It’s easy to blame the manager in situations like this, but I bet my mortgage that Howe and the coaching staff haven’t change much in what they are doing day to day. So when do the players take responsibility? 
 

Im also open to the possibility that the players have been unsettled in numerous ways, and don’t buy that players are robots who can play well despite the noise. 
 

But there has to be a sense of person responsibility for all players, if you are playing worse than previously for no obvious reason that surely that’s on you personally? 
 

The manager will probably end up carrying the can for it, but there’s some lads in our team who aren’t pulling their weight and they need to look at themselves.

[Dougle 3329]

4 hours ago, thebrokendoll said:

the decline in the team which finished 4th to the one we're watching currently a mere season and a bit later is both eye wateringly rapid and all very depressing.

bit like watching the leeds team which were 1st division champions but narrowly escaped relegation in the inaugural premier league season a year later... except this isn't funny.

while there might well be unrest in the background with the loss of staveley and her chap and a tragically played out in public conflict since the introduction of mitchell, this isn't enough to excuse howe any longer for me. we've been fucking dismal all season, we've been fucking dismal for a season and a quarter away from home. he appears to be failing to get the best out of some quality players available to him.

exit the league cup and drop another couple of places in the league in the next 6 days and he can fuck off.

 

Harsh but, sadly, possibly true.

[RobinRobin 11258]

4 hours ago, strawb said:

But there has to be a sense of person responsibility for all players, if you are playing worse than previously for no obvious reason that surely that’s on you personally? 
 

The manager will probably end up carrying the can for it, but there’s some lads in our team who aren’t pulling their weight and they need to look at themselves.

Eddie seems to be too loyal, which I think is his downfall.  There are players who he does not want to lose, such as Trippier, Wilson, Miggy, Longstaff who almost certainly need to go and be replaced.   He can be ruthless, but only with players he falls out with, such as the midget.  We would have kept Dummett and Ritchie if we had got into Europe, because they were good around the club.

He is too loyal to his system and the players within it.  

He's the best manager we've seen for many years, but he seems perhaps to have reached a plateau, as he did with Bournemouth.

I hope I'm wrong and he can turn this round, but something is very definitely off with the team and the coaching staff.

Just sadness at the decline.  Definitely don't want derbies back if we are playing like this. 

[Isegrim 9761]

9 hours ago, ewerk said:

If it were me I’d probably wait until after I’d scored more than a solitary goal before demanding a bigger wage.

If it was about you I would let Gemmill sort out your contract.

[Gemmill 44804]

39 minutes ago, Isegrim said:

If it was about you I would let Gemmill sort out your P45. 

 

[PaddockLad 17241]

This Bournemouth fan’s opinion is, rightly or wrongly, echoed by many NUFC supporters today.. if you look at the facts as to which players are available to him and why that is the case it’s probably not a decent comparison but the implied tactical inflexibility certainly is…

 

 

Its from this article in The Athletic…

 

 

[Kid Dynamite 7025]

There's definitely a nagging worry that Howe's style of play has plateaued and he doesn't have a plan B.

 

The season we finished 4th we played every game as if we were the underdogs in an FA cup 3rd round match. Hunting in packs, first to every ball, outdoing anyone else's intensity.
 

That was never going to be sustainable though and it's possibly the reason we picked up so many injuries last season. Can honestly see us finishing bottom half at this rate