Howe’s squad rotating league cup champions elect v Gemmill’s premier league survival specialists

[toonotl 3436]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Gordon worked his arse off yesterday and pressed well but his finishing cost us two points. He has to convert one of those chances man. 

 

This. If your performance costs the team points then that needs to be taken into account when evaluating the performance.

 

Gordon, for all the positive aspects of his performance, cost us points by spurning several absolutely golden opportunities to score.

 

He didn't hide. He kept trying. The effort was exemplary. But when it came to the crunch, he bottled it -- three times.

 

In many many instances that had limited influence on the outcome of the game, Gordon did well. In three instances when he had a clear chance to win the game, he did horribly. For me, the former does not even come close to negating the latter.

[ewerk 33229]

1 minute ago, toonotl said:

 

This. If your performance costs the team points then that needs to be taken into account when evaluating the performance.

 

Gordon, for all the positive aspects of his performance, cost us points by spurning several absolutely golden opportunities to score.

 

He didn't hide. He kept trying. The effort was exemplary. But when it came to the crunch, he bottled it -- three times.

 

In many many instances that had limited influence on the outcome of the game, Gordon did well. In three instances when he had a clear chance to win the game, he did horribly. For me, the former does not even come close to negating the latter.

[Dr Gloom 23647]

Just now, ewerk said:

He’s not a CF so we can’t expect him to score a penalty? This is some gaslighting bullshit.

I think the occasion of scoring against his old club got in his head for the pen. he looked nervous af walking up and totally telegraphed where he was going to put it 

[PaddockLad 19025]

8 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

You literally are blaming Gordon for costing us two points 😂

[toonotl 3436]

This debate reminds me of Karius' MotM performance in the CL final. Apart from stopping goals, he was brilliant. Played some wonderful passes and looked hot as fuck while doing it.

[Gemmill 50006]

The Madness of King Gloom. ewerk as the court jester. 

[thebrokendoll 10286]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Of course we’re constrained by PSR but there was money to spend in the summer. I don’t know who is to blame for the failure to improve the areas of the squad that needed it most but it’s hard to imagine Osula was Howe’s first choice. Maybe Howe’s to blame and he’s the one who thinks he can get enough games out of Wilson and we can afford to carry a development player in the squad.
 

I don’t know. What I do know is if we have proper cf on the pitch yesterday we win. Something’s gone wrong with the recruitment when the only option is a converted winger and the manager doesn’t fancy the only natural cf on the bench. We should have loaned him out if Howe doesn’t trust him to use him off the bench in a game like yesterday 

 

sure I read osula was somebody tindal had worked with and highly rated.

anyway, we've managed to make isak look a million mile away from the world class striker we know he is.

wilson is a waste of fucking squad number and we failed to provide the 3rd choice striker with a single opportunity against 4th division opposition or don't bother playing the fucker at all.

sack howe.

[Gemmill 50006]

toonotl auditioning for some kind of Baldrick role. 

 

Anyone else?

[Gemmill 50006]

5 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

sure I read osula was somebody tindal had worked with and highly rated.

anyway, we've managed to make isak look a million mile away from the world class striker we know he is.

wilson is a waste of fucking squad number and we failed to provide the 3rd choice striker with a single opportunity against 4th division opposition or don't bother playing the fucker at all.

sack howe.

 

 

[Kid Dynamite 7644]

2 hours ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

Gordon best player? Playing in the middle, which in his words, he considers his best position.

Missed a penalty, missed the one on one, missed the free header

.... but oh he raaaaaan around a lot... definitely best player...

 

Farken hell, English bias in full effect. 

Bore off man. It wasn't funny last year. It's just fucking annoying now 

[thebrokendoll 10286]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

 

 

be lucky to finish top half this season, act now before it's too late....

 

[Dr Gloom 23647]

28 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

The Madness of King Gloom. ewerk as the court jester. 

Gemmill, meanwhile…

 

[sammynb 3923]

The commentary here, Optus Sport, was Martin (fuck off and retire) Tyler and Jim (somehow he gets work as an expert pundit) Beglin and to be fair to our teenage girl forum member, they kept talking about how AG10 was allegedly telling people he though CF was his best/favoured position.

Why anyone would believe that pair of twats, I do not know but it happens.

 

For quite a while now we have looked ineffective in the final third. Isak's ability to finish the few chances he gets, has dug us out of the hole for the last season or so, this season he has had less opportunities and a worse conversion rate but without him, we are even worse.

As @NJS said, I too hate it when we make T-Rex the hero. Is there something actually mentally lacking with him? The way he points and waves the hands on his little arms about, all the time is fucking weird.

 

Scouse makems are a banana skin for us for many reasons, you know who you all are, at least we got out of there with a point and all the wheels still on the team bus.

[strawb 4645]

Hes 29 until he’s 30, that’s how it works

[Dazzler 11840]

1 hour ago, toonotl said:

This debate reminds me of Karius' MotM performance in the CL final. Apart from stopping goals, he was brilliant. Played some wonderful passes and looked hot as fuck while doing it.

The criticism Karius got after that game was fucking way over the top. So in that regard you’re absolutely correct.

 

Fucking appalling take otherwise.

[OTF 8420]

27 minutes ago, sammynb said:

 

As @NJS said, I too hate it when we make T-Rex the hero. Is there something actually mentally lacking with him? The way he points and waves the hands on his little arms about, all the time is fucking weird.

 

There absolutely has to be something wrong with him. He behaves like a 15 year old kid with ADHD.

[toonotl 3436]

11 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

The criticism Karius got after that game was fucking way over the top. So in that regard you’re absolutely correct.

 

Fucking appalling take otherwise.

 

I'm a tad confused. What's appalling about a sarcastic analogy between a goalkeeping error (or two) leading to a goal and a shocking miss (or three) by an attacker?

[GrahamTaylor5 1172]

I find Pickford an odd one as he doesn't seem to be as bad when he plays for England. 

 

I do wonder if it has something to do with the clubs he has played for and where he is from. 

 

Sunderland with the biggest chip on his shoulder then Everton who seem to somehow be worse. Maybe that is a step too far. 

 

When Henderson left Sunderland, he went to somewhere normal. Maybe that is why he doesn't come across the same way.

[GrahamTaylor5 1172]

Just now, toonotl said:

 

I'm a tad confused. What's appalling about a sarcastic analogy between a goalkeeping error (or two) leading to a goal and a shocking miss (or three) by an attacker?

I guess a keeper wouldn't have the opportunity to produce the same level of performance as Gordon did yesterday. 

 

I also don't think a keeper does always get the blame in a situation like that. It is normally the defence that get the criticism for forcing them to have an amazing game and be in the position to make the errors. I am thinking of how me and many others viewed Dubravka.

[Dazzler 11840]

3 minutes ago, toonotl said:

 

I'm a tad confused. What's appalling about a sarcastic analogy between a goalkeeping error (or two) leading to a goal and a shocking miss (or three) by an attacker?

Comparing an inconsequential game in the PL to the CL final.

 

Suggesting Karius got plaudits for his performance that night - otherwise why else use it as an example? That performance arguably ruined Karius’ career because of the insane backlash he got.

 

Literally, the only thing that is similar is that the criticism the goalie got despite his concussion was just as OTT as the responses of some on here towards Gordon yesterday.

[toonotl 3436]

I guess I'd be best to make sure that my sarcastic comments designed to be ridiculous and over the top which are clearly meant to be a joke for the exact reason that they're beyond the pale work first and foremost as advanced analysis without undue abstraction or exaggeration in the future.

[Dazzler 11840]

16 minutes ago, OTF said:

 

There absolutely has to be something wrong with him. He behaves like a 15 year old kid with ADHD.

Exhibit A

[toonotl 3436]

3 minutes ago, Dazzler said:

Comparing an inconsequential game in the PL to the CL final.

 

Suggesting Karius got plaudits for his performance that night - otherwise why else use it as an example? That performance arguably ruined Karius’ career because of the insane backlash he got.

 

Literally, the only thing that is similar is that the criticism the goalie got despite his concussion was just as OTT as the responses of some on here towards Gordon yesterday.

 

It was a joke. That performance by Karius was horrendous. THATS THE JOKE. Read the thread. Look at the context. Fuck me. What a moron. 

[Dazzler 11840]

4 minutes ago, toonotl said:

I guess I'd be best to make sure that my sarcastic comments designed to be ridiculous and over the top which are clearly meant to be a joke for the exact reason that they're beyond the pale work first and foremost as advanced analysis without undue abstraction or exaggeration in the future.

That would be great, cheers.

[sammynb 3923]

Isn't it known that Karius was suffering badly from concusion in that CL final game and under current protocols would have been made leave the field?

 

We still need a striker.

 

Edited October 7, 2024 by sammynb