Howe’s squad rotating league cup champions elect v Gemmill’s premier league survival specialists

[NJS 4568]

I fucking hate giving that Mackem cunt the chance to be the hero - I know it is hindsight as others have said but I would have given the pen to Schar. 

 

Fuck knows what they do in training but it scares me how shit the vast majority of our players are at finishing. 

[PaddockLad 19025]

36 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I found the decision to sub Barnes, our top scorer and best finisher on the pitch, and leave Murphy and Miggy on just bizarre. We were chasing a goal without a proper centre forward and he takes off our biggest goal threat. 
 

I’m sick of watching Murphy and Miggy now. The obvious weakness at RW is glaring. really hope that’s the next position we upgrade. It’s the lack of cutting edge that’s killing is.
 

Agree about Gordon too - second year running he’s had a stinker at goodison, essentially costing us two points. His off the ball work was decent and missing a pen is one thing but I can’t believe he didn’t hit the target when he was clean through. He has to score that one.

 

Should have won. Last week’s draw felt like a win, this one feels like a loss. The king demands a reaction against Brighton. 

The right of kings to start the match thread comes with the responsibility for performance. This is on you. So is the transfer window. And the 2008 economic crash. And John Lennon being shot. And post colonial decline in the UK etc etc  

 

Barnes was taken off because he was playing as if he was devoid of energy. No good saying Fab should’ve took pen. If he’d missed same folk would’ve said “BUT GORDON SCORED LAST WEEK V MAN CITY MAN!!!” We played fairly well including the subs. We didn’t create hatfuls of chances but a fit striker would’ve probably seen us win. The reluctance to give Osula the last 10 mins to get on the end of something is strange. Happy with sixth, 8 league goals is a concern…

Edited October 6, 2024 by PaddockLad

[Alex 36732]

34 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I found the decision to sub Barnes, our top scorer and best finisher on the pitch, and leave Murphy and Miggy on just bizarre. We were chasing a goal without a proper centre forward and he takes off our biggest goal threat. 
 

I’m sick of watching Murphy and Miggy now. The obvious weakness at RW is glaring. really hope that’s the next position we upgrade. It’s the lack of cutting edge that’s killing is.
 

Agree about Gordon too - second year running he’s had a stinker at goodison, essentially costing us two points. His off the ball work was decent and missing a pen is one thing but I can’t believe he didn’t hit the target when he was clean through. He has to score that one.

 

Should have won. Last week’s draw felt like a win, this one feels like a loss. The king demands a reaction against Brighton. 

[thebrokendoll 10286]

25 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

The right of kings to start the match thread comes with the responsibility for performance. This is on you. So is the transfer window. And the 2008 economic crash. And John Lennon being shot. And post colonial decline in the UK etc etc  

 

Barnes was taken off because he was playing as if he was devoid of energy. No good saying Fab should’ve took pen. If he’d missed same folk would’ve said “BUT GORDON SCORED LAST WEEK V MAN CITY MAN!!!” We played fairly well including the subs. We didn’t create hatfuls of chances but a fit striker would’ve probably seen us win. The reluctance to give Osula the last 10 mins to get on the end of something is strange. Happy with sixth, 8 league goals is a concern…

 

precisely this.

howe pissed me off yesterday to he honest, we dominated the game but couldn't hit a fucking cows arse with a banjo, had a million corners and still failed to test the mackem cunt at all.

completely fail to see why when you pay £15m for a young 3rd striker you'd not use him in these circumstances when the other 2 fuckers are missing. we brought on 4 subs and left the k8d sat n his arse all afternoon. 

very much 2 points chucked away and our record away from home continues to be woeful.

Edited October 6, 2024 by thebrokendoll

[Dr Gloom 23647]

21 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

The right of kings to start the match thread comes with the responsibility for performance. This is on you. So is the transfer window. And the 2008 economic crash. And John Lennon being shot. And post colonial decline in the UK etc etc  

 

Barnes was taken off because he was playing as if he was devoid of energy. No good saying Fab should’ve took pen. If he’d missed same folk would’ve said “BUT GORDON SCORED LAST WEEK V MAN CITY MAN!!!” We played fairly well including the subs. We didn’t create hatfuls of chances but a fit striker would’ve probably seen us win. The reluctance to give Osula the last 10 mins to get on the end of something is strange. Happy with sixth, 8 league goals is a concern…

in hindsight we should have tried to buy a third choice striker the manager was confident enough  to use this season rather than a development player for the future. It’s a luxury we couldn’t afford when our two main strikers are injury prone. Craig Hope points out we haven’t won a game that Isak and Wilson have both missed this season. Our general play yesterday was pretty good. We were the better team and deserved to win and we probably would have if we had a finisher up front. 

[Toonpack 11385]

7 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

in hindsight we should have tried to buy a third choice striker the manager was confident enough  to use this season rather than a development player for the future. It’s a luxury we couldn’t afford when our two main strikers are injury prone. Craig Hope points out we haven’t won a game that Isak and Wilson have both missed this season. Our general play yesterday was pretty good. We were the better team and deserved to win and we probably would have if we had a finisher up front. 

 

Abdicate NOW

[Dr Gloom 23647]

8 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

Abdicate NOW

[Gemmill 50007]

The people saying Gordon had a stinker ffs.

 

[Dr Gloom 23647]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

The people saying Gordon had a stinker ffs.

 

 

Gordon worked his arse off yesterday and pressed well but his finishing cost us two points. He has to convert one of those chances man. 

[Gemmill 50007]

His finishing was poor, I've said that, but other than that he was everywhere. He had a good game. 

[Dr Gloom 23647]

I don’t blame Gordon btw. It’s not his fault. He’s a winger, not a CF. It’s failure to back Howe in the last couple of windows that’s costing us. We don’t have enough depth across the front line. We’re stacked at LW but rely on two injury prone CFs with a kid in reserve who the manager doesn’t trust yet and no top class RW. 

[Gemmill 50007]

It's PSR. It's not a failure to back the manager. 

[Dr Gloom 23647]

Just now, Gemmill said:

It's PSR. It's not a failure to back the manager. 

well, to a point yes but we apparently had £70m to spend on Guehi so there was some money to spend. Anyway, we know how that one ended.

[GrahamTaylor5 1172]

Gordon had a great game. 

 

I said that he should not be taking the pen when he stepped up. You could see that he was not taking the pressure well and the shot was really poor. It was clearly a poor shot rather than a good save. 

 

His header was bizarre at first glance but I thought the replay showed that he was in front of the ball. 

 

I think the 1 on 1 he took one touch too many but he is not a CF. 

 

I think he had a great game. 

 

With a striker we win this. I think Osula would have been better in this game than Wimbledon. 

 

I found myself frustrated with Howe for a decision he made, not playing Osula. However, each time I have found myself frustrated with Howe for not using x player e.g. Hall and they come in, they seem to not be ready. Then we see them develop into really solid players later on. This makes me feel Osula will more than likely be a solid player for us but he is not there yet and playing him would be detrimental in the medium to long term with no clear short term win.

 

[Gemmill 50007]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

well, to a point yes but we apparently had £70m to spend on Guehi so there was some money to spend. Anyway, we know how that one ended.

 

The manager wanted Guehi. 

 

It's not PSR "to a point", it's PSR. The manager has been backed. Framing it as a failure to back the manager is just plain wrong. 

[ewerk 33229]

15 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

His finishing was poor, I've said that, but other than that he was everywhere. He had a good game. 

He was playing as our main striker. He missed three gilt edged chances, a striker can’t have had a good game after doing that. If Pope had dropped three clangers you couldn’t claim he had had a good game.

Edited October 6, 2024 by ewerk

[Dr Gloom 23647]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

 

The manager wanted Guehi. 

 

It's not PSR "to a point", it's PSR. The manager has been backed. Framing it as a failure to back the manager is just plain wrong. 

Of course we’re constrained by PSR but there was money to spend in the summer. I don’t know who is to blame for the failure to improve the areas of the squad that needed it most but it’s hard to imagine Osula was Howe’s first choice. Maybe Howe’s to blame and he’s the one who thinks he can get enough games out of Wilson and we can afford to carry a development player in the squad.
 

I don’t know. What I do know is if we have proper cf on the pitch yesterday we win. Something’s gone wrong with the recruitment when the only option is a converted winger and the manager doesn’t fancy the only natural cf on the bench. We should have loaned him out if Howe doesn’t trust him to use him off the bench in a game like yesterday 

[Gemmill 50007]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

He was playing as our main striker. He missed three gilt edged chances, a striker can’t have had a good game after doing that. 

 

And yet he somehow did. It's almost as if you're completely wrong. 

[ewerk 33229]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

Of course we’re constrained by PSR but there was money to spend in the summer. I don’t know who is to blame for the failure to improve the areas of the squad that needed it most but it’s hard to imagine Osula was Howe’s first choice. Maybe Howe’s to blame and he’s the one who thinks he can get enough games out of Wilson and we can afford to carry a development player in the squad.
 

I don’t know. What I do know is if we have proper cf on the pitch yesterday we win. Something’s gone wrong with the recruitment when the only option is a converted winger and the manager doesn’t fancy the only natural cf on the bench. We should have loaned him out if Howe doesn’t trust him to use him off the bench in a game like yesterday 

If Wilson was fit during the summer he would have been shipped out. But as he was injured he was unsellable which meant we couldn’t get anyone else in of a decent standard. That’s not anyone’s fault.

[wykikitoon 22916]

16 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

I don’t blame Gordon btw. It’s not his fault. He’s a winger, not a CF. It’s failure to back Howe in the last couple of windows that’s costing us. We don’t have enough depth across the front line. We’re stacked at LW but rely on two injury prone CFs with a kid in reserve who the manager doesn’t trust yet and no top class RW. 

You literally are blaming Gordon for costing us two points 😂

[Dr Gloom 23647]

Just now, Gemmill said:

 

And yet he somehow did. It's almost as if you're completely wrong. 

If Pope had a good game but let in a howler that costs us two points you say would say he had a stinker. Gordon had that game as a cf yesterday 

[ewerk 33229]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

 

And yet he somehow did. It's almost as if you're completely wrong. 

He was playing as a striker, he’s supposed to score goals.

 

[Dr Gloom 23647]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

You literally are blaming Gordon for costing us two points 😂

He did cost us two points but I don’t blame

him for being played out of position. He’s not a centre forward. 
 

[Gemmill 50007]

Are you two posting this shite from the same Internet café? 

[ewerk 33229]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

He did cost us two points but I don’t blame

him for being played out of position. He’s not a centre forward. 
 

He’s not a CF so we can’t expect him to score a penalty? This is some gaslighting bullshit.