Dr Gloom 21371 Posted Tuesday at 20:10 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:10 One of the big things this season - and large parts of last season, though there was mitigation because of the injuries - is our identity. Or rather, our lack of identity. I don’t even know what the game plan is at the moment tbh. We can’t control games for more than 10-20 minute spells, so it’s not been a move to a more possession-based system. The first season Howe came in he did what was required to keep us up. The second season we saw his “intensity is our identity” plan come together and Eddie Howe’s high-pressing shit-housing mags finished 4th. What do you lot reckon? Should we get back to playing that way? And if so, how does he do it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted Tuesday at 20:16 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 20:16 I’m going to throw a curve ball to kick things off…. Maybe he should start Miggy again 😳 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4478 Posted Tuesday at 20:22 Share Posted Tuesday at 20:22 Haven’t we just done this to death over the last few days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted Tuesday at 20:34 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 20:34 Ooops. Have we? I haven’t been across much of the football chat since the Fulham game. Mods, feel free to delete the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 3984 Posted Tuesday at 21:33 Share Posted Tuesday at 21:33 (edited) 59 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: Mods, feel free to delete the thread This message was loud and clear when you said start Miggy. Edited Tuesday at 21:33 by aimaad22 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted Tuesday at 22:03 Author Share Posted Tuesday at 22:03 23 minutes ago, aimaad22 said: This message was loud and clear when you said start Miggy. I was up for selling him in the summer. Barnes and Gordon are clearly better technical players with end product Miggy lacks. However… is it a coincidence that the press has diminished since Miggy lost his place? For all his many flaws, the one thing he’s good at is pressures. And we haven’t executed the press better than the season we finished 4th, when he started pretty much every game. I’d like to see us return to that style of play. Has Howe given up on it? Or is it a player like Barnes, for all he’s been one of our few bright spots this season, can’t do it the way Miggy can? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew 4666 Posted Tuesday at 22:43 Share Posted Tuesday at 22:43 32 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: I was up for selling him in the summer. Barnes and Gordon are clearly better technical players with end product Miggy lacks. However… is it a coincidence that the press has diminished since Miggy lost his place? For all his many flaws, the one thing he’s good at is pressures. And we haven’t executed the press better than the season we finished 4th, when he started pretty much every game. I’d like to see us return to that style of play. Has Howe given up on it? Or is it a player like Barnes, for all he’s been one of our few bright spots this season, can’t do it the way Miggy can? He's evolving and I think its necessary, the level of press we executed in the season we finished 4th was unreal, it was SO high energy and incredibly physcially demanding. Klopp did it at Dortmund until it stopped working and then he did it at the start of his Liverpool tenure but found it quickly became unsustainable in the premier league. We found that out big time last season, that injury crisis was almost unprecedented and while some of it was down to bad luck there should be no doubt that some of it was just to the intensity demanded by Howes way of working at the time. To be a top team that is sustainably going deep in the cups and in europe as staying up near the top of the league you can't play like we were doing forever without having the kind of squad that we simply can't have yet where its high quality and highly physical all the way through the 25 with very little drop off between your first and second string. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut 53 Posted Wednesday at 04:41 Share Posted Wednesday at 04:41 (edited) 8 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: One of the big things this season - and large parts of last season, though there was mitigation because of the injuries - is our identity. Or rather, our lack of identity. I don’t even know what the game plan is at the moment tbh. We can’t control games for more than 10-20 minute spells, so it’s not been a move to a more possession-based system. The first season Howe came in he did what was required to keep us up. The second season we saw his “intensity is our identity” plan come together and Eddie Howe’s high-pressing shit-housing mags finished 4th. What do you lot reckon? Should we get back to playing that way? And if so, how does he do it? Pretty much from February after the first transfers we had that high-press. Fraser, Murphy, Wood, Willock, Joelinton, etc would run their bollocks off high up the pitch, Schar & Burn would defend the halfway line clearing up anything launched when they had to go long because of it, and we just grew from there. Edited Wednesday at 04:41 by Optimistic Nut 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted Wednesday at 06:22 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 06:22 7 hours ago, Andrew said: He's evolving and I think its necessary, the level of press we executed in the season we finished 4th was unreal, it was SO high energy and incredibly physcially demanding. Klopp did it at Dortmund until it stopped working and then he did it at the start of his Liverpool tenure but found it quickly became unsustainable in the premier league. We found that out big time last season, that injury crisis was almost unprecedented and while some of it was down to bad luck there should be no doubt that some of it was just to the intensity demanded by Howes way of working at the time. To be a top team that is sustainably going deep in the cups and in europe as staying up near the top of the league you can't play like we were doing forever without having the kind of squad that we simply can't have yet where its high quality and highly physical all the way through the 25 with very little drop off between your first and second string. good points. I wonder then whether it’s a deliberate change by Howe to change our identity. If it is, I’m not entirely sure what he’s trying to turn us into because this stage of our evolution hadn’t been as successful so far. It doesn’t look like we have a clearly defined style of play anymore - perhaps a result of the failure to back him in the past two transfer windows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 8731 Posted Wednesday at 06:53 Share Posted Wednesday at 06:53 29 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: good points. I wonder then whether it’s a deliberate change by Howe to change our identity. If it is, I’m not entirely sure what he’s trying to turn us into because this stage of our evolution hadn’t been as successful so far. It doesn’t look like we have a clearly defined style of play anymore - perhaps a result of the failure to back him in the past two transfer windows not be our problem for much longer, fucking off to be with reunited with his old mate dan..... https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-man-united-turn-attention-to-eddie-howe-after-boardroom-bust-up/ 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted Wednesday at 07:04 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 07:04 If Howe is trying to move from high pressing intensity to a more possession-based style of play, we should be playing our most technical players. That means Tonali has to start. Trippier too. We have struggled to keep possession of the ball for sustained periods in games all season. I’m not sure what the game plan has been so far this season tbh other than get it out to Gordon or Barnes to see if they can make something happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted Wednesday at 08:02 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 08:02 The pod of the tyne lads must have been reading this form as they’ve just posted a podcast on exactly the same subject Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19385 Posted Wednesday at 08:09 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:09 7 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: The pod of the tyne lads must have been reading this form as they’ve just posted a podcast on exactly the same subject Self promoting eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeAdmirer 1210 Posted Wednesday at 08:11 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:11 1 hour ago, thebrokendoll said: not be our problem for much longer, fucking off to be with reunited with his old mate dan..... https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-man-united-turn-attention-to-eddie-howe-after-boardroom-bust-up/ eddie just got rid of ashworth and you reckon he would join him at the red flops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 8656 Posted Wednesday at 08:12 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:12 9 hours ago, Andrew said: He's evolving and I think its necessary, the level of press we executed in the season we finished 4th was unreal, it was SO high energy and incredibly physcially demanding. Klopp did it at Dortmund until it stopped working and then he did it at the start of his Liverpool tenure but found it quickly became unsustainable in the premier league. We found that out big time last season, that injury crisis was almost unprecedented and while some of it was down to bad luck there should be no doubt that some of it was just to the intensity demanded by Howes way of working at the time. To be a top team that is sustainably going deep in the cups and in europe as staying up near the top of the league you can't play like we were doing forever without having the kind of squad that we simply can't have yet where its high quality and highly physical all the way through the 25 with very little drop off between your first and second string. When Klopp did it he evolved the tactics to dominate possession - they still pressed relentlessly whenever they were out of possession but because they had more of the ball it was less evident. It's the same as Pep, they press less purely because they have the ball more often than not. Also with Klopp it was noticeable how much shitter they became when their midfield became ancient, and leggy. Howe's approach is sustainable but we need to be far better on the ball for it to work. We played some far better stuff last season when he had us sitting deeper with fast counters using the pace of the front three. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 8656 Posted Wednesday at 08:13 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:13 1 hour ago, thebrokendoll said: not be our problem for much longer, fucking off to be with reunited with his old mate dan..... https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-man-united-turn-attention-to-eddie-howe-after-boardroom-bust-up/ Football Insider 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBass 2566 Posted Wednesday at 08:27 Share Posted Wednesday at 08:27 Impeccable timing too seeing lots of articles are saying that Howe's had "clear the air talks" with Mitchell this week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 8731 Posted Wednesday at 12:10 Share Posted Wednesday at 12:10 3 hours ago, LongTimeAdmirer said: eddie just got rid of ashworth and you reckon he would join him at the red flops? don't shoot the messenger. I'm only here to bring happiness and joy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34194 Posted Wednesday at 12:38 Share Posted Wednesday at 12:38 Leisure was our pleasure 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31833 Posted Wednesday at 12:41 Share Posted Wednesday at 12:41 Stressing is our new/old lesson 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21371 Posted Wednesday at 12:42 Author Share Posted Wednesday at 12:42 (edited) Drill to chill Edited Wednesday at 12:42 by Dr Gloom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 16617 Posted Wednesday at 12:42 Share Posted Wednesday at 12:42 1 minute ago, Alex said: Leisure was our pleasure 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10500 Posted Wednesday at 12:45 Share Posted Wednesday at 12:45 Booty is our duty. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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PaddockLad 16617 Posted Wednesday at 12:51 Share Posted Wednesday at 12:51 (edited) Based on absolutely fuck all but gut feeling I think possibly someone came in for Bruno in the summer (again without evidence that was definitely Man City ) and he wanted to leave, the club blocked this and gave him the captaincy as a gesture but he’s still pissed off, which puts him in the same boat as Gordon. Two out of our three best players not knocking their cunts in for us… Edited Wednesday at 12:52 by PaddockLad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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