wykikitoon 20616 Posted Monday at 13:04 Share Posted Monday at 13:04 3 hours ago, Renton said: That's fair enough. Outside of football, the main reason scousers are disiked imo is that they have a very strong partisan regional identity, reinforced by a strong accent. Does that not sound familiar though? Whereas places around the greater Manchester area, West Yorks, South Yorks, east and west midlands, let's be honest, you could be anywhere. Nothing wrong with having a strong regional identity imo. My thing against scousers is their self-perceived wit. Sorry lads, you're really not that funny, sayting something in a squeaky voice doesn't make it so. Oh you underestimate people from Yorkshire. You couldn't be anywhere because they fucking tell you! AND I'm from Yorkshire Does my fucking tits in. Liverpool has some stunning architecture. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10944 Posted Monday at 13:19 Share Posted Monday at 13:19 14 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Oh you underestimate people from Yorkshire. You couldn't be anywhere because they fucking tell you! AND I'm from Yorkshire Does my fucking tits in. Liverpool has some stunning architecture. So does Bradford... still a shithole though. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21941 Posted Monday at 13:19 Share Posted Monday at 13:19 19 minutes ago, The Fish said: If you chat with someone from elsewhere about Newcastle, you can speak of the positives and when they suggest that there's thiings lacking, or not as positive most Geordies will agree. Some might make allowances, or offer mitigation, but no Geordie is going to stand there and claim Northumberland Street is as good as Milan, or that Byker is a great place for frothy coffees and smashed avocado. Try the same with a Scouser and they'll lose their fucking mind, insisting that their city is the bestest, most glorious settlement ever to grace the world. Best at music (have they had anything truly great since the Beatles?), best at football, best at humour, nicest people (are they fuck), best best best and absolutely zero faults. I've no problem with regional pride, as long as it comes with even a little fucking humility. Yeah. I lived in Liverpool for half a decade and have worked with people at every job I've had since from the city, including currently. That's just utter lazy bullshit. Not saying you don't get people like that but it could be just as true of some from Manchester , which also probably subconciously clouds your perception (bitter bastards both sides of that divide). And aye, that opinion literally could also be taken from the SMB in reference to us, it's exactly the type of shite they perpetuate, whereas the truth is, Newcastle just simply has mnore heritage/character/standing than Sunderland and they are jealous as fuck about it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spongebob toonpants 4107 Posted Monday at 13:20 Share Posted Monday at 13:20 25 minutes ago, The Fish said: Best at music (have they had anything truly great since the Beatles?), 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21941 Posted Monday at 13:22 Share Posted Monday at 13:22 16 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Oh you underestimate people from Yorkshire. You couldn't be anywhere because they fucking tell you! AND I'm from Yorkshire Does my fucking tits in. Liverpool has some stunning architecture. Yeah, Yorkshire also has a really strong identity, especially Leeds. Don't really come into the football equation though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10944 Posted Monday at 13:26 Share Posted Monday at 13:26 (edited) 8 minutes ago, Renton said: Yeah. I lived in Liverpool for half a decade and have worked with people at every job I've had since from the city, including currently. That's just utter lazy bullshit. Not saying you don't get people like that but it could be just as true of some from Manchester , which also probably subconciously clouds your perception (bitter bastards both sides of that divide). And aye, that opinion literally could also be taken from the SMB in reference to us, it's exactly the type of shite they perpetuate, whereas the truth is, Newcastle just simply has mnore heritage/character/standing than Sunderland and they are jealous as fuck about it. It's not like. I'm not being lazy by remembering my interactions with scousers. And I'm not lying either. And I know you can get these kinds of morons from everywhere, but when I cannot think of one scouser who hasn't acted that way, it speaks volumes. The Mancs round here will happily tell you what's wrong with Manchester, so too will the Yorkshire friends of my wife criticise where they're from. I mean you say the same thing I'm saying with your "they have a very strong partisan regional identity", it's just I have the cajones to call it what it is. Edited Monday at 13:27 by The Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 45819 Posted Monday at 13:28 Share Posted Monday at 13:28 Redton. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21941 Posted Monday at 13:43 Share Posted Monday at 13:43 4 minutes ago, The Fish said: It's not like. I'm not being lazy by remembering my interactions with scousers. And I'm not lying either. And I know you can get these kinds of morons from everywhere, but when I cannot think of one scouser who hasn't acted that way, it speaks volumes. The Mancs round here will happily tell you what's wrong with Manchester, so too will the Yorkshire friends of my wife criticise where they're from. I mean you say the same thing I'm saying with your "they have a very strong partisan regional identity", it's just I have the cajones to call it what it is. Yeah, of course. No person from Liverpool is ever critical of any aspect of the city. You know this from your extensive experience of meeting scousers. I mean, its not possible for me to disprove your frankly ludicrous experience but I can tell you it doesn't match mine at all. I've only ever lived in two city areas for any length of time, Newcastle and Liverpool, and what personally has always struck me is the similarities, not the differences. If we take popular culture and drama as an example we can at least objectively anchor to, what drama has ever painted Liverpool in a rosy light? From Boys to the Blackstuff to the Responder more recently, dramas written by Scousers set in Merseyside are normally pretty unrelentingly bleak, in much the same way NE ones often are. So on the one hand, they're accused of wallowing in self pity and on the other, according to you, they paint Liverpool as some type of Nirvana. Or could it be that the reality is, you've got your preconceived opinions and that is going to colour your perception regardless? That the reality is, they've had an immensely successful football club in living memory (well, two really) whilst we have been plucky losers, and maybe really, we wish the situations were reversed? I know I do. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9804 Posted Monday at 13:45 Share Posted Monday at 13:45 25 minutes ago, Renton said: Yeah. I lived in Liverpool for half a decade and have worked with people at every job I've had since from the city, including currently. That's just utter lazy bullshit. Not saying you don't get people like that but it could be just as true of some from Manchester , which also probably subconciously clouds your perception (bitter bastards both sides of that divide). And aye, that opinion literally could also be taken from the SMB in reference to us, it's exactly the type of shite they perpetuate, whereas the truth is, Newcastle just simply has mnore heritage/character/standing than Sunderland and they are jealous as fuck about it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9804 Posted Monday at 14:00 Share Posted Monday at 14:00 11 minutes ago, Renton said: Yeah, of course. No person from Liverpool is ever critical of any aspect of the city. You know this from your extensive experience of meeting scousers. I mean, its not possible for me to disprove your frankly ludicrous experience but I can tell you it doesn't match mine at all. May I suggest they never mentioned anything critical in front of you to avoid the inevitable two hour lecture on why they were wrong ?? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20616 Posted Monday at 14:00 Share Posted Monday at 14:00 40 minutes ago, The Fish said: So does Bradford... still a shithole though. Spot on tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10944 Posted Monday at 14:56 Share Posted Monday at 14:56 52 minutes ago, Renton said: Yeah, of course. No person from Liverpool is ever critical of any aspect of the city. You know this from your extensive experience of meeting scousers. I mean, its not possible for me to disprove your frankly ludicrous experience but I can tell you it doesn't match mine at all. I've only ever lived in two city areas for any length of time, Newcastle and Liverpool, and what personally has always struck me is the similarities, not the differences. If we take popular culture and drama as an example we can at least objectively anchor to, what drama has ever painted Liverpool in a rosy light? From Boys to the Blackstuff to the Responder more recently, dramas written by Scousers set in Merseyside are normally pretty unrelentingly bleak, in much the same way NE ones often are. So on the one hand, they're accused of wallowing in self pity and on the other, according to you, they paint Liverpool as some type of Nirvana. Or could it be that the reality is, you've got your preconceived opinions and that is going to colour your perception regardless? That the reality is, they've had an immensely successful football club in living memory (well, two really) whilst we have been plucky losers, and maybe really, we wish the situations were reversed? I know I do. I've lived in a few different places and can assert with some confidence that there are some peoples who stay true to the stereotype; Scousers, South Africans and Parisians. You might have had nice relationships with Scousers, and found them humble and self deprecating. But that isn't the stereotype, nor is it my lived experience. And it's not like I didn't have negative stereotypes about Londoners, Mancs, Brummies, Scottish, Aussies, Midlanders, mackems (ffs) and so on. They've proved those stereotypes wrong, or at least shown them to be wildly exaggerated. Not the same with the Scouse. Could it be that you are so defensive of scousers because you lived there? I see the same from my wife who studied there at Uni. I wonder if by living there you've become a little scouse yourself, or had scouseness foisted upon you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11533 Posted Monday at 15:05 Share Posted Monday at 15:05 Quote scouseness foisted upon you 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9804 Posted Monday at 15:08 Share Posted Monday at 15:08 (edited) 13 minutes ago, The Fish said: Could it be that you are so defensive of scousers because you lived there? I see the same from my wife who studied there at Uni. I wonder if by living there you've become a little scouse yourself, or had scouseness foisted upon you? Scousewashed patently Edited Monday at 15:10 by Toonpack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9431 Posted Monday at 15:10 Share Posted Monday at 15:10 7 hours ago, Renton said: Well the cause of Heysel was more shoddy infrastructure and stewardship rather than anything else. And before you get so high and mighty about Newcastle fans, I remember them crippling a mackem in North Shields leaving him profoundly disabled for life, then of course there was the West Ham petrol bomb incident. Could easily have been first degree murder that. Blastronaut is spot on. People are the same everywhere, just different circumstances lead to different consequences. It amazes me that as with religion, one group of humans can believe they have some kind of inherent moral superiority over another. As soon as you do this you're entering the realms of bigotry. Genuine question here to. If you go to Anfield or Goodison, do you not get on with the fans? I've never seen bad blood between us, save once where Arkles was bricked. Same at SJP save the odd occasion. I was gonna avoid this topic today, but fuck it. howay mate, that first statement is ludicrous man, the entire football community at the time knew it would kick off in belgium, there'd been several liverpool supporters stabbed in rome the year before and they wanted revenge. the fact that it was an entirely different set of supporters they'd be coming in to contact with was neither here nor there, they were italian and that was good enough. it wasn't poor infrastructure or stewarding that tore down the segregation fencing and charged at the juventus supporters waving flag poles it was liverpool's support. you've been and truly scousewashed here I'm afraid, the only thing you've missed out is their claim they'd been infiltrated by chelsea's headhunters! I've no intention of getting all high and mighty about newcastle's support, I can't stand some of the fuckers! i can't help thinking you've picked a couple of bad examples there though, I think the petrol bomber stated at the time that it was his intention to put newcastle on the map, but not only that his actions provided the basis for one of the best footballing ditties ever created, who can say hand on heart that they haven't enjoyed a rousing rendition of 'he's only a poor little hammer'? i doff my hat to his just and noble cause! as for the ferry landing hoo- hah, I haven't really got a great deal of sympathy and that would apply had the victim been one of ours instead of a mackem. if two sets of blokes make arrangements to kick the shit out of each other and somebody gets the shit kicked out of them, well, you haven't really got anybody to blame but yourself have you? it's the bud the police horse incident i feel the most shame over, I mean what the fuck was the stupid cunt even thinking? I can't abide cruelty to animals, but it wasn't even that, the horse probably weighed the best part of a ton and never so much as flinched. fancy losing your liberty for 12 months for that mincy jab? the stupid twat! 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 10289 Posted Monday at 15:13 Share Posted Monday at 15:13 4 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Scousewashed patently Scouse and washed together has a certain irony to it tbh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sonatine 11533 Posted Monday at 15:16 Share Posted Monday at 15:16 2 minutes ago, Dazzler said: Scouse and washed together has a certain irony to it tbh. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31112 Posted Monday at 15:16 Share Posted Monday at 15:16 8 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Scousewashed There's an oxymoron if I ever saw one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 10289 Posted Monday at 15:17 Share Posted Monday at 15:17 Just now, ewerk said: There's an oxymoron if I ever saw one. How dare you copy my joke using your fancy Gaelic words. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9804 Posted Monday at 15:19 Share Posted Monday at 15:19 1 minute ago, Dazzler said: How dare you copy my joke using your fancy Gaelic words. Take care with Ewerk, if you value your kneecaps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31112 Posted Monday at 15:19 Share Posted Monday at 15:19 I made the joke before reading yours. Then I read yours and thought mine was better so didn't bother deleting. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 10289 Posted Monday at 15:20 Share Posted Monday at 15:20 Just now, Toonpack said: Take care with Ewerk, if you value your kneecaps These cunts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31112 Posted Monday at 15:21 Share Posted Monday at 15:21 1 minute ago, Toonpack said: Take care with Ewerk, if you value your kneecaps Due to his diminutive stature Dazzler is safe from that form of punishment. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9804 Posted Monday at 15:21 Share Posted Monday at 15:21 Just now, Dazzler said: These cunts? Nah, that’s three blokes, kneecaps are on the front of your leg at the knee. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 31112 Posted Monday at 15:21 Share Posted Monday at 15:21 Just now, Dazzler said: These cunts? I watched the film last night. Decent. 7/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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