Who hopes Palace get relegated and Guehi leaves on a free?

[Craig 6806]

2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

Howe saying it was a difficult window was in reference to selling Minteh and Anderson for non-football reasons. He wasn't talking about Guehi going to the last few days. 

Yeah he made particular reference to 'the first part of the window' which has to be interpreted as having to meet PSR requirements by the end of June. 

If this situation doesn't succinctly demonstrate how fucked modern day football is, I don't know what will. We've allegedly got the richest owners in world football, we've traded moderately in the transfer market over the past 30 months, we've invested in improving our aging and creaking infrastructure and we've severed existing/brokered new commercial deals to increase our operating revenue. Yet we STILL found ourselves in a position where we had to trade in players to settle the books. 

Where is the incentive for external investment in football? Trying to break into the 'top table' and creating ROI is tough to say the least.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

Mate, I watched the press conferences. He's talked about how difficult it was to sell Anderson and Minteh, and how Anderson was a player he liked and a great lad. That's the bit he focuses in on. 

 

You're wrong here, not me.

 

okay, i was just pasting the verbatim quotes back from the press conference so take it up with howe's words. 

 

i don't know why the window has been so "incredibly difficult", as howe puts it.

 

i suspect a lot of it might be to do with the change in the way the club is structured. this is all speculation on my part as i haven't got a clue what's going on behind the scenes, but howe came out and said he was concerned after amanda left, which is not like him at all. 

 

we've had to scramble to sell two young players because of psr, the first team hasn't really been improved and now we've had this protracted guehi transfer saga - the first of its kind since the takeover. 

 

whether this is all part of a masterplan and we're all happy with the outcome after the window closes remains to be seen - there is still time for them to pull off a blinder - but its the first period since the takeover that it hasn't felt like everyone is singing from the same hymn sheet. 

[Craig 6806]

I think we're kidding ourselves if we're expecting transfer sagas to not be protracted. We don't have the geographic pull of London (or Manchester / Liverpool for that matter) and the footballing world thinks we've pockets deeper than Scrooge McDuck's swimming pool. Expect clubs to take the piss with 'Newcastle Tax' when we're involved. 

There's been a lot of noise behind the scenes since January. The situation with Ashworth and subsequent replacement is one we really could have done without and then to compound matters, Staveley & Ghodoussi left. Bound to be unsettling to some degree for Howe given the structure between him and PIF was completely replaced. 

[Gemmill 49969]

Botman was protracted. The bloke where we signed Bruno from was an absolute bellend that strung us along for a bit. 

 

I don't think for a second this has been a masterplan. I think the window has been shite and we're once again constrained in what we can spend. 

 

But if we get our number one target signed, and if that's all we've got to spend, then that's a qualified success. Qualified because we've got other positions that need strengthening, but that will be one for a future window. We clearly have deprioritised a RW this window because we want Guehi and he's costing too much. 

 

If Guehi falls through and we don't have an alternative lined up we've had a straight up shocker. As of right now though, the jury is out. 

 

Eales and Mitchell will be fucking desperate for their first window to have a successful outcome. That's for certain. 

 

[strawb 4639]

The idea that other clubs get their transfer done in days is nonsense. Just because it’s the first you’ve heard of it doesn’t mean it hasn’t been going on for weeks or months behind the scenes.

 

This one feels protracted cos Palace can’t hold their piss in.

 

I think we might still sign a right winger, but if we don’t it won’t be because we have been scrabbling around in the last few days.
 

We will have a list of numerous players we like for every position, and will move when we know that they are available. If none are available right now for a price we want/are able to play then we won’t buy for the sake of it. Which is the correct way to do it imo.

 

Buying for the sake of it means you end up like Chelsea or Man Utd, with a squad full of toss on high wages that you can’t shift.

 

Obligatory, fuck transfer windows, fuck Twitter and fuck sky. Dumbed down football discussion beyond recognition, lowest common denominator shite.

[Gemmill 49969]

The "we should have walked away by now" narrative is idiotic BTW. If we only sign players where the selling club bends over for us, we're gonna be buying an awful lot of shite. 

 

It started on twitter and it's found its way on here. 

[Craig 6806]

Just now, Gemmill said:

The "we should have walked away by now" narrative is idiotic BTW. If we only sign players where the selling club bends over for us, we're gonna be buying an awful lot of shite. 

 

It started on twitter and it's found its way on here. 

People's memories are also still scarred by the Ashley era rhetoric of "we just couldn't get it over the line....". It was pure waving the carrot in front of the donkey stuff and it's imbedded in some people as the way we should conduct ourselves in the market. 

It's absolutely not because, as you point out, we'll end up with a bunch of average shite that won't move us forward. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

3 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

The "we should have walked away by now" narrative is idiotic BTW. If we only sign players where the selling club bends over for us, we're gonna be buying an awful lot of shite. 

 

It started on twitter and it's found its way on here. 

so never walk away? Even if the selling club is taking the piss? Palace are negotiating from a position of strength. They’re flush with cash from other sales and already lost their other centre half. They’re only selling if we pay silly money, by the looks of it. 

[Gemmill 49969]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

so never walk away? Even if the selling club is taking the piss? Palace are negotiating from a position of strength. They’re flush with cash from other sales and already lost their other centre half. They’re only selling if we pay silly money, by the looks of it. 

 

If we want the player and the price is still within valuation, don't walk away. People want us to hoy a blob strop and just fuck our number one target off cos Parrish is a bellend. Parrish has always been a bellend. 

[thebrokendoll 10278]

3 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

The "we should have walked away by now" narrative is idiotic BTW. If we only sign players where the selling club bends over for us, we're gonna be buying an awful lot of shite. 

 

It started on twitter and it's found its way on here. 

go then....

at what point do you say enough's enough then?

 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

Just now, Gemmill said:

 

If we want the player and the price is still within valuation, don't walk away. People want us to hoy a blob strop and just fuck our number one target off cos Parrish is a bellend. Parrish has always been a bellend. 

it feels like £60m plus add one or whatever the last bid was might be the top end of our valuation. It was the fourth bid, I think? Usually if the selling club is serious about selling you’ll reach an agreement by the third bid, right? Unless one side is trying to take  the piss out of the other  

[Toonpack 11366]

2 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

go then....

at what point do you say enough's enough then?

 

If you make an offer which is absolutely your best offer and it’s knocked back, that’s when.

[ewerk 33225]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

it feels like £60m plus add one or whatever the last bid was might be the top end of our valuation. It was the fourth bid, I think? Usually if the selling club is serious about selling you’ll reach an agreement by the third bid, right? Unless one side is trying to take  the piss out of the other  

 

None of us have a clue what's going on. End of.

 

Mods, close the thread now.

[Craig 6806]

2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

so never walk away? Even if the selling club is taking the piss? Palace are negotiating from a position of strength. They’re flush with cash from other sales and already lost their other centre half. They’re only selling if we pay silly money, by the looks of it. 

So you advocate the powers that be walk away from any deal where the selling club are pushing the price up, but you're going to be massively fucked off if we don't get an incoming transfer?! 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

Compare it to buying property. Has anyone ever made more than four offers on a house? Our tactic has always been to make a cheeky opening offer. Then a second if their counter offer is too high and a third if we really want the house. If that hasn’t been enough we’d walk away. There are more houses/players out there if you can’t afford your first choice 

[Gemmill 49969]

4 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

go then....

at what point do you say enough's enough then?

 

 

When the asking price exceeds our valuation of the player 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

1 minute ago, Craig said:

So you advocate the powers that be walk away from any deal where the selling club are pushing the price up, but you're going to be massively fucked off if we don't get an incoming transfer?! 

no, I’m saying there are other players out there if this one is prohibitively expensive. I’d like to think they’re working on multiple targets   

[Gemmill 49969]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

it feels like £60m plus add one or whatever the last bid was might be the top end of our valuation. It was the fourth bid, I think? Usually if the selling club is serious about selling you’ll reach an agreement by the third bid, right? Unless one side is trying to take  the piss out of the other  

 

By all accounts, we initially went in well short of what they wanted. That's what the first 2 or 3 bids were about - getting us remotely in range of what they wanted. 

 

As for comparing it to buying a house. Howay man.

 

[Craig 6806]

Just now, Dr Gloom said:

Compare it to buying property. Has anyone ever made more than four offers on a house? Our tactic has always been to make a cheeky opening offer. Then a second if their counter offer is too high and a third if we really want the house. If that hasn’t been enough we’d walk away. There are more houses/players out there if you can’t afford your first choice 

As others have said, if once the club have made the absolutely maximum offer it's still knocked back then you walk away. We've no idea if we've already played that card though. 

[thebrokendoll 10278]

2 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

If you make an offer which is absolutely your best offer and it’s knocked back, that’s when.

 

and I'd agree with that.

id have no issue with a low ball offer initially. the 2nd bid would be the best one.

at which point I'd walk away. were up to four or five now IF the press are to believed.

[Craig 6806]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

no, I’m saying there are other players out there if this one is prohibitively expensive. I’d like to think they’re working on multiple targets   

There are ... but are they considered the right fit for our requirements - most likely not. 

Once their demands exceed our valuation of the deal, then we walk away. None of us are in a position to say whether that threshold has been met though. 

[ewerk 33225]

6 minutes ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

 

We didnt bend over for lille and lyon when we wanted bruno and botman, we stuck to our guns even though they wanted silly money.

 

The Bruno deal was done in a matter of days.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

Just now, Craig said:

There are ... but are they considered the right fit for our requirements - most likely not. 

Once their demands exceed our valuation of the deal, then we walk away. None of us are in a position to say whether that threshold has been met though. 

I think that’s the first thing you’ve posted today that I agree with   
 

But what else are we going to chat shit about on a slow news day with three days to go till the window closes? 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

9 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

By all accounts, we initially went in well short of what they wanted. That's what the first 2 or 3 bids were about - getting us remotely in range of what they wanted. 

 

As for comparing it to buying a house. Howay man.

 

you must be that ginger bloke my mate in wideopen was telling me about who made 10 bids for his three-bed semi 

Edited August 28, 2024 by Dr Gloom

[Gemmill 49969]

4 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

you must be that ginger bloke my mate in wideopen was telling me about who made 10

bids for his three-bed semi 

 

Absolutely scandalous to be bringing your house buying experiences into the thread.

 

I wasted my time getting off twitter when you're coming with that drivel.