Who hopes Palace get relegated and Guehi leaves on a free?

[Dr Gloom 24248]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:12, Holden McGroin said:

Only a few more days until he signs or transfer window shuts. I cannot wait for this thread to end.

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yeah, i for one cant wait to get back to talking about the shitty ticketing ballot system

[Holden McGroin 7956]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:12, Dr Gloom said:

 

is guehi better than anderson? let's forget about the english player tax for a minute. i'm not sure. perhaps @The Fish can give is another player comparison. 

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from the eyeball inspection (admittedly I haven’t watched them that closely) but Anderson seems stronger (in both air and tackle) but Guehi has good recovery pace. Guehi might be slightly better on the ball.  Anderson is more a shithouse as well.

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[OTF 8658]

Conventional wisdom dictates that we must have been lead to believe that Guehi would be available within a price range we were willing to go to. Then Palace have moved the posts thinking we would just pony up the extra. We haven't because we were already stretching and we've not managed to sell anyone.

 

There must be better value options out there that still offer a strong long term replacement for Schär, but from what we've been told about we're not very advanced on anyone. Sure they might not be English or have Premier League experience but neither was Botman (or Schär for that matter).

[Craig 7327]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:11, Dr Gloom said:

 

i mean we do have cover in that position - we have Schar, Burn, Kelly, Krafth and A Murphy to cover two positions - plus Botman and Lascelles to return half way through the season. a stop gap loan or a cheaper younger player with potential, to eventually replace Schar, would give us the cover we need until the other two get back from injury. it would also mean we have more to invest on a much-needed RW. 

 

i hope we can do both. we need a RW and a CB. i think the window is a failure however if we begin yet another season with miggy and murphy at RW as they're no longer good enough for where we aspire to be.

 

the ideal scenario is they secure Guehi (if he is indeed their top target) AND a quality RW, but the mood music around the club doesn't suggest that will happen and i think that would be a mistake 

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Who's the rabbit of a RW they're going to pull out of a hat? 

As for Kelly, Krafth & A Murphy as cover (assuming you're conceding Schar & Burn are first choice), it devalues, IMO, your argument for a RW ahead of a CB. Miggy / Murphy at RW are far better cover than Kelly, Krafth & A Murphy at CB. 

[Toonpack 12113]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:11, Dr Gloom said:

 

i mean we do have cover in that position - we have Schar, Burn, Kelly, Krafth and A Murphy to cover two positions - plus Botman and Lascelles to return half way through the season. a stop gap loan or a cheaper younger player with potential, to eventually replace Schar, would give us the cover we need until the other two get back from injury. it would also mean we have more to invest on a much-needed RW. 

 

i hope we can do both. we need a RW and a CB. i think the window is a failure however if we begin yet another season with miggy and murphy at RW as they're no longer good enough for where we aspire to be.

 

the ideal scenario is they secure Guehi (if he is indeed their top target) AND a quality RW, but the mood music around the club doesn't suggest that will happen and i think that would be a mistake 

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Read that back again and tell me how that is anywhere near great at the heart of our defence, and you go on continuously about RW where we have a choice of Murphy/Miggy/Gordon/Barnes. From where I'm sat the latter is a much healthier position. Could be better, sure, but it's not desperate and in comparison to CB it's great.

[Holden McGroin 7956]

I’m bowing out of this thread but this will be my guess:

 

Guehi won’t sign and if he does then I don’t think he’ll be anywhere near a rolls Royce CB.

 

i think we’ll get a RW in on loan at the last minute.

 

 

 

 

[Craig 7327]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:21, Toonpack said:

 

Read that back again and tell me how that is anywhere near great at the heart of our defence, and you go on continuously about RW where we have a choice of Murphy/Miggy/Gordon/Barnes. From where I'm sat the latter is a much healthier position. Could be better, sure, but it's not desperate and in comparison to CB it's great.

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[Dr Gloom 24248]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:21, Toonpack said:

 

Read that back again and tell me how that is anywhere near great at the heart of our defence, and you go on continuously about RW where we have a choice of Murphy/Miggy/Gordon/Barnes. From where I'm sat the latter is a much healthier position. Could be better, sure, but it's not desperate and in comparison to CB it's great.

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i'm going to respectfully disagree. burn and schar are good players. we are led to believe kelly is too. krafth is an emergency option and has played more often in that role than we would have liked - solid defender, but he doesn't have the technical ability required to be called upon regularly, which is why i think a loan signing or a younger centre back with potential could fill the gap until botman and lascelles return. 

 

murphy and miggy man - do i need to say more? they're not good enough anymore. 

 

maybe barnes/gordon is the solution down the right, but we haven't seen much evidence that howe fancies either player in that position so far. it feels like murphy and miggy are the players he is going to use in his sytem at RW - not good enough, sorry. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by Dr Gloom

[Dr Gloom 24248]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:16, Craig said:

Who's the rabbit of a RW they're going to pull out of a hat? 

As for Kelly, Krafth & A Murphy as cover (assuming you're conceding Schar & Burn are first choice), it devalues, IMO, your argument for a RW ahead of a CB. Miggy / Murphy at RW are far better cover than Kelly, Krafth & A Murphy at CB. 

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no idea, but they have had months to figure all of this out.

 

we have days left of the window now. they need to do something - in both positions - but it looks like the time invested in the guehi "saga" has been time wasted.

 

hopefully they don't end up panic-buying. it's not something we've seen since the takeover so far, which i why i think people are questioning the new recruitment system. it's in its infancy, so they're might be a period of adjustment while eales and mitchell find their feet, but we never saw anything like this play out when amanda was in charge. deals were concluded without the media getting wind of it and most signings were concluded so the players could be bedded in with a bit of pre-season behind them. 

[Dr Gloom 24248]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:21, Holden McGroin said:

I’m bowing out of this thread but this will be my guess:

 

Guehi won’t sign and if he does then I don’t think he’ll be anywhere near a rolls Royce CB.

 

i think we’ll get a RW in on loan at the last minute.

 

 

 

 

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guehi and a RW on loan isn't the worst outcome. both positions need to be improved

[Toonpack 12113]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:26, Dr Gloom said:

 

i'm going to respectfully disagree. burn and schar are good players. we are led to believe kelly is too. krafth is an emergency option and has played more often in that role than we would have liked - solid defender, but he doesn't have the technical ability required to be called upon regularly, which is why i think a loan signing or a younger centre back with potential could fill the gap until botman and lascelles return. 

 

murphy and miggy man - do i need to say more? they're not good enough anymore. 

 

maybe barnes/gordon is the solution down the right, but we haven't seen much evidence that howe fancies either player in that position so far. it feels like murphy and miggy are the players he is going to use in his sytem at RW - not good enough, sorry. 

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Look man, no-one is disputing an upgraded RW would be good, but from a priority perspective CB is streets ahead, not only for now but for the very near future (because our current 2 best ones are all but codgers)

[Kid Dynamite 7920]

The frustrating thing for me is how some other clubs seem to conclude big deals in a matter of days. Liverpool close to signing Chiesa and just signed Mamardashvili, despite only being linked with them a few days ago. City's Gundogan deal was done in about 48hours. Felix to Chelsea was done quickly too. 

 

We haven't really done any "deals" yet. 2 x free agents, a GK as part of a swap deal, an automatic purchase for Hall and a reserve striker from a relegated team.

 

Im all for not spunking money on the wrong players, but the likes of Isak, Bruno, Tonali, Gordon and Joelinton aren't here to challenge for 7th again with zero additions to the 1st XI

[Craig 7327]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:31, Dr Gloom said:

 

no idea, but they have had months to figure all of this out.

 

we have days left of the window now. they need to do something - in both positions - but it looks like the time invested in the guehi "saga" has been time wasted.

 

hopefully they don't end up panic-buying. it's not something we've seen since the takeover so far, which i why i think people are questioning the new recruitment system. it's in its infancy, so they're might be a period of adjustment while eales and mitchell find their feet, but we never saw anything like this play out when amanda was in charge. deals were concluded without the media getting wind of it and most signings were concluded so the players could be bedded in with a bit of pre-season behind them. 

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Right, so they absolutely must buy a RW but you've no idea who? Compelling argument. 

We don't have European football this season so the appeal to come to Newcastle won't be as great as it was this time last year. Compound that with the fact we've clearly had to satisfy PSR by selling two players. 

I'd love us to buy a CB and a RW before the window shuts but none of us have visibility of the balance sheet so we have no idea if that's viable or not. If it's not, then the priority is absolutely a CB. 

[Dr Gloom 24248]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:37, Toonpack said:

 

Look man, no-one is disputing an upgraded RW would be good, but from a priority perspective CB is streets ahead, not only for now but for the very near future (because our current 2 best ones are all but codgers)

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disagree, like i said. i like schar and burn. i could grow to like kelly. 

 

murphy and miggy starting at RW makes me want to smoke crack 

[Dazzler 12612]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:37, Toonpack said:

 

Look man, no-one is disputing an upgraded RW would be good, but from a priority perspective CB is streets ahead, not only for now but for the very near future (because our current 2 best ones are all but codgers)

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Plus the risk associated to Botman’s injury. We have no idea on whether he comes back the same or not. 

[Dazzler 12612]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:38, Dr Gloom said:

 

disagree, like i said. i like schar and burn. i could grow to like kelly. 

 

murphy and miggy starting at RW makes me want to smoke crack 

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It might cheer you up a bit tbf. Crack on I say.

[Craig 7327]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:37, Kid Dynamite said:

The frustrating thing for me is how some other clubs seem to conclude big deals in a matter of days. Liverpool close to signing Chiesa and just signed Mamardashvili, despite only being linked with them a few days ago. City's Gundogan deal was done in about 48hours. Felix to Chelsea was done quickly too. 

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Agree it's frustrating, but they all have the benefit of European football to offer whilst we don't. Our bargaining position is not as strong as last summer - people need to appreciate that.

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[Dr Gloom 24248]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:37, Kid Dynamite said:

The frustrating thing for me is how some other clubs seem to conclude big deals in a matter of days. Liverpool close to signing Chiesa and just signed Mamardashvili, despite only being linked with them a few days ago. City's Gundogan deal was done in about 48hours. Felix to Chelsea was done quickly too. 

 

We haven't really done any "deals" yet. 2 x free agents, a GK as part of a swap deal, an automatic purchase for Hall and a reserve striker from a relegated team.

 

Im all for not spunking money on the wrong players, but the likes of Isak, Bruno, Tonali, Gordon and Joelinton aren't here to challenge for 7th again with zero additions to the 1st XI

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yup, we've had months to upgrade two positions which clearly need addressing. chelsea slightly fucked up our pursuit of a RW by gazumping us on tosen but it has felt a bit rudderless since then. we are getting into panic-buy territory now. i hope they still have long-term targets which they have managed to keep under wraps which they will announce before the window closes. 

[Dr Gloom 24248]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:38, Craig said:

Right, so they absolutely must buy a RW but you've no idea who? Compelling argument. 

We don't have European football this season so the appeal to come to Newcastle won't be as great as it was this time last year. Compound that with the fact we've clearly had to satisfy PSR by selling two players. 

I'd love us to buy a CB and a RW before the window shuts but none of us have visibility of the balance sheet so we have no idea if that's viable or not. If it's not, then the priority is absolutely a CB. 

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the club aren't paying me to identify and sign the players  

[Dr Gloom 24248]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:40, Craig said:

Agree it's frustrating, but they all have the benefit of European football to offer whilst we don't. Our bargaining position is not as strong as last summer - people need to appreciate that.

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it didn't prevent the old recruitment team from getting business done with time to spare. they signed bruno and trippier in a january window when relegation was on the cards. 

 

the new set up might yet get it right, but they're cutting it fine. if the window closed tomorrow, it would be the worst since the takeover. that's why people are moaning on social media. 

[Dr Gloom 24248]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:39, Dazzler said:

It might cheer you up a bit tbf. Crack on I say.

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[Chaser 1432]

If Guehi is the statement signing, then we need him on board.  From the POV of the top level players we have so far retained, it doesnt look like the club is moving forward, certainly not at the rate that the owners and senior figures have promised. When you look at all the other top sides making signings despite supposed PSR concerns there seems to be no lack of will to continue buying players. 

[Dazzler 12612]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:52, Dr Gloom said:

 

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[Toonpack 12113]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:38, Dr Gloom said:

 

disagree, like i said. i like schar and burn. i could grow to like kelly. 

 

murphy and miggy starting at RW makes me want to smoke crack 

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Based on zero evidence, aye OK 🙄

 

Your RW obsession would lead me to believe you already do smoke crack, a wee bit too much at that.

[Toonpack 12113]

  On 28/08/2024 at 10:53, Chaser said:

If Guehi is the statement signing, then we need him on board.  From the POV of the top level players we have so far retained, it doesnt look like the club is moving forward, certainly not at the rate that the owners and senior figures have promised. When you look at all the other top sides making signings despite supposed PSR concerns there seems to be no lack of will to continue buying players. 

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When did they tell you this ?