Who hopes Palace get relegated and Guehi leaves on a free?

[Gemmill 49969]

18 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

we do aye. which is why the whole thing with guehi appears so frustrating.

we look like some daft obsessive cunt on ebay who ends up paying twice as much for an 04 ford fiesta than it's worth because they refuse to be beaten in a bidding war. 

 

It does look like that, but Mitchell will have to have come up with, and justified a valuation and had it approved by Eales and the Chairman. All three of them might be getting this wrong, but the appearance of being caught in a macho bidding war is almost certainly false. 

 

We've seen protracted transfers play out like this in the past, and generally if the signing player gets their man, I see it as a success for them rather than them having had their pants down. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

8 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

I sincerely hope so too, because as it stands we'll finish the summer with some greek 5th choice goalkeeper as our biggest buy and can start counting off the days till isak/bruno/gordon fuck off to pastures new.

 

it's a fair point. isak, bruno and gordon are elite players. they won't wait around forever for the project to catch up with their ambitions. they're all good enough to be playing champions league football. we need to sign another player or two this window at their level or next time liverpool or man city come calling their heads really will be turned. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

1 minute ago, wykikitoon said:

First mistake. Don't read the cunts sensationalised titles.

 

i just saw the tweet that someone shared on here. didn't read the article  and i don't give the mail any clicks unless i have to - so hope was telling porkies, was he? 

[Gemmill 49969]

9 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

that's not exactly what i said. £70m would a lot for mbeumo too - i think his value is probably closer to £50-60m. what i said was i would rather that kind of money was splashed around on a RW than a defender if psr means we don't have the capital to burn on both positions.

 

that's not the sort of money that typically gets splashed around on defenders - it's what you pay for elite forwards. i know you don't want to hear it but £70m feels like a big overspend on guehi, it would feel like less of an overspend on a forward. 

 

There will literally be a player valuation committee at the club. Do you really think you know better than them? 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

 

There will literally be a player valuation committee at the club. Do you really think you know better than them? 

 

no, i think i agree with them - we haven't paid what palace are demanding 

[thebrokendoll 10278]

9 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

meanwhile....

 

there's none so blind as those who will not see

[ewerk 33225]

If we haven't offered the price that Palace is asking then why the fuck does anyone at the club think that the price is going to come down the closer we get to the end of the window?

[Toonpack 11366]

5 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

It does look like that, but Mitchell will have to have come up with, and justified a valuation and had it approved by Eales and the Chairman. All three of them might be getting this wrong, but the appearance of being caught in a macho bidding war is almost certainly false. 

 

We've seen protracted transfers play out like this in the past, and generally if the signing player gets their man, I see it as a success for them rather than them having had their pants down. 

 

No-one wins a negotiation, if it concludes with agreement and both sides are happy i.e. it's a draw.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

@Gemmill i'll put it to you - do you think guehi is worth £70m? if we signed him and he turns out to be an amazing player for us, i'll be happy to admit i was wrong. all transfers carry an element of risk but that would feel like a massive roll of the dice. i think it's telling that no one else has entered a bidding war for him at the price mooted. it's the sort of crazy fee only the likes of man u and chelsea tend to pay. i wasn't under the impression that we have the psr headroom to be competing at that end of the market. or if we are, it will come at the expense of signing a RW, which i think would be a mistake. 

 

i will be happy to eat my words if we sign guehi and a quality RW before the window closes. 

Edited August 28, 2024 by Dr Gloom

[Toonpack 11366]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

If we haven't offered the price that Palace is asking then why the fuck does anyone at the club think that the price is going to come down the closer we get to the end of the window?

 

Palace don't want to sell, they won't have named a price, they'll have rejected bids, it's up to us to make them an offer they can't refuse. The journo's are the only one's stating numbers.

[Gemmill 49969]

2 minutes ago, ewerk said:

If we haven't offered the price that Palace is asking then why the fuck does anyone at the club think that the price is going to come down the closer we get to the end of the window?

 

I don't think we think it'll go down, I think we think we'll get something accepted closer to the end of the window. Possibly deadline day, but I hope not. 

 

I think Parrish is quite happy getting games out of the player while they're short handed, cos he thinks he can do that and still get the fee he wants before the window shuts.

[Toonpack 11366]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

@Gemmill i'll put it to you - do you think guehi is worth £70m? if we signed him and he turns out to be an amazing player for us, i'll be happy to admit i was wrong. all transfers carry an element of risk but that would feel like a massive roll of the dice. i think it's telling that no one else has entered a bidding war for him at the price mooted. it's the sort of crazy fee only the likes of man u and chelsea tend to pay. i wasn't under the impression that we have the psr headroom to be competing at that end of the market. or if we are, it will come at the expense of signing a RW, which i think would be a mistake. 

 

i will be happy to eat my words if we sign guehi and a quality RW before the window closes. 

 

He's worth whatever we're prepared to pay and on that, I'll bow to the judgement of those whose careers rest on such decisions.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

Just now, Gemmill said:

 

I don't think we think it'll go down, I think we think we'll get something accepted closer to the end of the window. Possibly deadline day, but I hope not. 

 

I think Parrish is quite happy getting games out of the player while they're short handed, cos he thinks he can do that and still get the fee he wants before the window shuts.

 

I don't think they need to sell him. They just got £50m for Olisse. The only way he goes is if we pay massively over the odds. Okay, it might be a draw, as TP puts it, if both sides eventually agree, but someone always wins really, let's be honest. It might be us in the longterm if he turns out to be a big hit but it's a massive transfer fee for a young player to be carrying around on their shoulders - particularly a defender. 

[Gemmill 49969]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

@Gemmill i'll put it to you - do you think guehi is worth £70m? if we signed him and he turns out to be an amazing player for us, i'll be happy to admit i was wrong. all transfers carry an element of risk but that would feel like a massive roll of the dice. i think it's telling that no one else has entered a bidding war for him at the price mooted. it's the sort of crazy fee only the likes of man u and chelsea tend to pay. i wasn't under the impression that we have the psr headroom to be competing at that end of the market. or if we are, it will come at the expense of signing a RW, which i think would be a mistake. 

 

i will be happy to eat my words if we sign guehi and a quality RW before the window closes. 

 

If he's still turning out for us when he's 32, then I'm fine with us paying £70m for him. And I'm sure that will be the thinking on which we're prepared to pay that amount for him. 

 

At the end of the day, I'm not an expert on player valuation, and it's not my money. And I don't care to try and do the sums on behalf of the club. I want us to sign the player the DoF and the manager want, or else what is the point of having that structure at the club? 

 

I will regard it as a real disappointment if we don't get this one sorted. 

[ewerk 33225]

7 minutes ago, Toonpack said:

 

No-one wins a negotiation, if it concludes with agreement and both sides are happy i.e. it's a draw.

 

Are we calling the signing of Boumsong from Rangers a draw?

[Gemmill 49969]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

I don't think they need to sell him. They just got £50m for Olisse. The only way he goes is if we pay massively over the odds. Okay, it might be a draw, as TP puts it, if both sides eventually agree, but someone always wins really, let's be honest. It might be us in the longterm if he turns out to be a big hit but it's a massive transfer fee for a young player to be carrying around on their shoulders - particularly a defender. 

 

But what's the logical extension of that, never sign anyone for big money in case it has a psychological impact. 

 

Read my last post. I want us to get him because he's our number one target. I really don't give a fuck what the cost is cos that's not my job. People whose job it is think a) he's worth that, and b) it's workable within our PSR constraints. So let's get him. 

[Toonpack 11366]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

 

Are we calling the signing of Boumsong from Rangers a draw?

 

That wasn't a negotiation it was a corrupt hun-heist

[Gemmill 49969]

What's Isak? 22? His price tag didn't cause him any undue concern. 

 

Gordon, 20 when we signed him? Same. 

 

It's a mental argument to claim that you're worried about the welfare of the player being signed for that much. We're not signing him to score 30 a season, he just needs to not drop clangers. 

[Craig 6806]

48 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Schar got sent off and we had to play Krafth at CB. We need a CB. 

 

We need a RW too. 

Yeah I don't get this obsession that RW is the primary target. Botman & Lascelles are out until January (at least!) and after Schar & Burn we're playing emergency CBs. It's absolutely the priority. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

15 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

If he's still turning out for us when he's 32, then I'm fine with us paying £70m for him. And I'm sure that will be the thinking on which we're prepared to pay that amount for him. 

 

At the end of the day, I'm not an expert on player valuation, and it's not my money. And I don't care to try and do the sums on behalf of the club. I want us to sign the player the DoF and the manager want, or else what is the point of having that structure at the club? 

 

I will regard it as a real disappointment if we don't get this one sorted. 

 

i'm no expert either but i don't think you need to be. you can make an educated guess based on what players of similar or greater ability have been traded for in recent seasons. only four defenders have ever been sold for £70m or more: maguire (flop at that price to Man U who have a history of overpaying), gvardiol (hit), VVD (hit) and Fofana (to chelsea who tend to overpay under their batshit new owner)

Edited August 28, 2024 by Dr Gloom

[Gemmill 49969]

1 minute ago, Craig said:

Yeah I don't get this obsession that RW is the primary target. Botman & Lascelles are out until January (at least!) and after Schar & Burn we're playing emergency CBs. It's absolutely the priority. 

 

Aye we've started the season with our first and third choice CBs playing. One got sent off and we literally have no natural CB cover. We're straight to full backs filling in. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

1 minute ago, Gemmill said:

What's Isak? 22? His price tag didn't cause him any undue concern. 

 

Gordon, 20 when we signed him? Same. 

 

It's a mental argument to claim that you're worried about the welfare of the player being signed for that much. We're not signing him to score 30 a season, he just needs to not drop clangers. 

 

No one questioned Isak because

 

a) he's a striker and you have to pay more for the players who put the ball in the net and 

 

b) he was clearly an elite player

 

plenty of people questioned the gordon transfer for the price (i was among them). it seemed a lot for a young player with potential but the recruitment team were proved right on that case. i hope if they do spend £70m on guehi they will be proved right again but it does feel like a massive roll of the dice to me

[thebrokendoll 10278]

2 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

Aye we've started the season with our first and third choice CBs playing. One got sent off and we literally have no natural CB cover. We're straight to full backs filling in. 

 

which is why it madness we're still seemingly chasing shadows with guehi 3 days before the window shuts.

we've had three and a half months to address 2 problem positions.

[Gemmill 49969]

3 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

i'm no expert either but i don't think you need to be. you can make an educated guess based on what players of similar or greater ability have been traded for in recent seasons. only four defenders have ever been sold for £70m or more: maguire (flop at that price to Man U who have a history of overpaying), gvardiol (hit), VVD (hit) and Fofana (to chelsea who tend to overpay under they're batshit new owner)

 

You can't state monetary values and not factor in the mental inflation that trfr fees have gone through. All players are getting more expensive every season. Does this look a bit out of place? Yes. But I don't care. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

3 minutes ago, Craig said:

Yeah I don't get this obsession that RW is the primary target. Botman & Lascelles are out until January (at least!) and after Schar & Burn we're playing emergency CBs. It's absolutely the priority. 

 

yeah, let's go into another season with murphy and miggy as first choice RW (six goals between them last season) - they're sure to fire us back into top four contention. 

 

i like both players, they're honest grafters and always try but let's get real - they should be rotation options. if our saudi overlords are to be believed and they want us to get to number one, we can't be going into another season with steve bruce-era players fighting it out to start in a key forward position.