Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) carragher's got a bit of a point - foden didn't really turn up, other than in the first half against holland, nor did bellingham, other than in rare moments of magic, and kane, who didn't look fit. but it's natural to ask why players who are playing for the biggest teams in europe can't replicate their club form for the national team after a tournament where we stumbled to the final without ever really winning convincingly. they appear constrained - often played out of position - and the system which was changed from four at the back, to three at the back then back to four at the back again for the final, doesn't play to their strengths. and for that the manager has to take responsibility. no one is denying that southgate has done a brilliant job, taking over when england were in dire straits then going deep in four tournaments, but as manager he has to be accountable. it's always been the way in football - at club and international level. Edited July 15 by Dr Gloom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7295 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 12 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: no one is denying that southgate has done a brilliant job, taking over when england were in dire straits then going deep in four tournaments, but as manager he has to be accountable. it's always been the way in football - at club and international level. I will openly deny it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 40 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: I kind of agree with him that your manager should be from the same nation but them's not the rules so it's every country for themselves. Port Vale is in Stoke. I was just going off the flags. I assumed there was a difference. No intention of ever going to either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44804 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 That is actually fucking mental to watch. It's like you're playing against the computer on an early version of Fifa, and it does something completely fucking batshit when it's in an attacking position. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 23 minutes ago, Gemmill said: That is actually fucking mental to watch. It's like you're playing against the computer on an early version of Fifa, and it does something completely fucking batshit when it's in an attacking position. especially as shaw is hugging the touchline and free for an easy ball to recycle possession and start another attack. Pickford’s long kicking was rank all evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Howmanheyman 33113 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, The Fish said: I was just going off the flags. I assumed there was a difference. No intention of ever going to either. I've been to both, (well, Stoke's old ground). Think Vale is in the Burslam district without checking? Messrs Robbie Williams and Stanley Matthews both hailed from Stoke. But you're right about the flags, they're the tournament fans because of course they are. (The alternative is lower league football with the occasional cup final against Sunderland). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10849 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Howmanheyman said: Messrs Robbie Williams and Stanley Matt 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35059 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 8 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: I've been to both, (well, Stoke's old ground). Think Vale is in the Burslam district without checking? Messrs Robbie Williams and Stanley Matthews both hailed from Stoke. But you're right about the flags, they're the tournament fans because of course they are. (The alternative is lower league football with the occasional cup final against Sunderland). Port Vale is Burslem, aye. I think it’s one of the only clubs in the league system that’s not named after an actual place. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33113 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Going off topic but speaking of Stanley Matthews, I don't know if I'm imagining it but I'm pretty sure growing up Matthews was meant to be the greatest English footballer? (Not saying he was), whenever football journalists and pundits spoke. Now Bobby Charlton had been retired over a decade by then but I'm sure the general consensus was it was Matthews? But when Charlton died recently it was 100% Charlton. What changed apart from the journalists and pundits being younger? Charlton obviously never came out of retirement and swept up a few more trophies? Does Blackpool and Stoke not have the same gravitas to the big 6 centric pundits? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobElliott 1485 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Always thought Duncan Edwards was supposed to be the best English player ever, albeit with a life cut tragically short Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Chicken nonce stirring shite about Howe being tempted by the England job because he's lost his Newcastle 'allies' 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35059 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 39 minutes ago, RobElliott said: Always thought Duncan Edwards was supposed to be the best English player ever, albeit with a life cut tragically short Think he was viewed as potentially the best. Matthews achievements and longevity were amazing though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33113 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 44 minutes ago, RobElliott said: Always thought Duncan Edwards was supposed to be the best English player ever, albeit with a life cut tragically short As Alex has said, ie Edwards. From memory it was always Matthews. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tdansmith 3259 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 4 hours ago, wykikitoon said: Jamie Carragher: "I'm sure Jude Bellingham would love to try the Premier League one day. And where better than Liverpool, six-time Champions of Europe?" Thierry Henry: "He is playing for a club that has won 14 Champions Leagues." Edited July 15 by Tdansmith 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted July 15 Author Share Posted July 15 Rumours abound that Bellingham is a self obsessed dickhead and none of the England players like him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree 4725 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Rumours abound that Bellingham is a self obsessed dickhead and none of the England players like him Must admit he pissed me off watching him as a lot of the time when we were under attack he would just stroll along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20112 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Big Meeks was saying he was looking over at the bench a lot yesterday looking for guidance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44804 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 11 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Rumours abound that Bellingham is a self obsessed dickhead and none of the England players like him I'm gonna start calling you Fleetwood Mac. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted July 15 Author Share Posted July 15 9 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I'm gonna start calling you Fleetwood Mac. It's all over Twitter tbf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeys Fist 42378 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 20 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: Rumours abound that Bellingham is a self obsessed dickhead and none of the England players like him It would explain why a lad with his money and resources spends more than a minute in sunderland - The shit one - “ Hey bro, I’ve got a week off, shall I come to Madrid and see you and your pals?” The good one -“ Nah bro, I’ll come to you, show me how it is in medieval times” 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9188 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Monkeys Fist said: It would explain why a lad with his money and resources spends more than a minute in sunderland - The shit one - “ Hey bro, I’ve got a week off, shall I come to Madrid and see you and your pals?” The good one -“ Nah bro, I’ll come to you, show me how it is in medieval times” fucking hell, imagine being hated that much that the only apparent solution is to escape to sunderland. that's fucking grim man. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20112 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 14 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: It's all over Twitter tbf Links Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33113 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, thebrokendoll said: fucking hell, imagine being hated that much that the only apparent solution is to escape to sunderland. that's fucking grim man. Jude: "Bro, nobody really likes me here, I'm sick as fuck." Shit one: "Come and stay here with me in Sunderland on your weekend off, they'll love you." Jude: "Because I'm your brother?" Shit one: "No, because you're a bit famous now and you'd be visiting their shit town which everyone ignores. Just say 'I hate the Mags anaarl' and the locals will offer their daughters to perform any sex act you desire." Jude: "Really?" Shit one: "Yeah it's..... Oh hang on a minute, Jude, here's one passing now.....I HATE THE MAGS ANAARL....." [Distant voice] "Gerrin! Ahl send our Alison over to cleyn ya pipe, marra." Shit One: "See? Works every time." 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33113 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 8 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Links 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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