Alex 34954 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 18 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: I think after the relative success of WC 2018 the England squad/team largely picked itself. Southgate has never had to deal with “generational” talents emerging and upsetting his cosy wee set up. Now for the first time he’s got to properly think about team selection he’s fucked. Which was very likely always on the cards. Tbf he had Foden and Bellingham at the WC in Qatar but neither of them at that point had come off the back of what might prove to be the best seasons in their club careers’ which makes them completely different propositions in terms of how they’re perceived by the general public and more significantly for Southgate personally the English football media. He knew he’d be fuckin crucified if he didn’t pick them both. He probably knew without a proper left back the logical pick on the left was Gordon with his Kenyan marathon runners’ stamina combined with a sprinter’s electric pace he would’ve been able to patrol the entire left hand side single handed and interact with the attacking midfielders as he’d done very effectively in the recent firiendly games, rather than relying on an an overlapping full back to provide support more often than not. Looks the same the other side re Saka/Palmer. Southgate has got it half right, he picked the PL’s form players in the squad. Then he went with loyalty to those in his pecking order and has shown signs this week that he’s willing to ditch them if it’s not going right. Has he got the balls to start Gordon, Palmer and Mainoo on Sunday?… for me he needs to drop one of the two that have caused all this bother for him this summer too.. two of the best half dozen attacking players in Europe… thing is, his coach at Euro 96 Terry Venables has shown him the way him. No fuckin way would virtually any other manager have stick with Shearer before the tournament started. The strikers ignored by Venables in favour of Shearer and the 30 year old Sheringham is fuckin jaw dropping. Venables told him not to listen to the press and he was his no.9. He told STEVE FUCKIN HOWEY in the winter of 1996 that he was in the squad, not only that but he was starting 2 out of the 3 group games (Howey said all this in a podcast) That’s the sort of single mindedness required but I don’t think nice guy Gareth has ever been remotely equipped to think along those lines. He wants to make everyone happy including the media. Venables knew he knew more about football than the craven tabloid wankers that followed the England team around in the mid 90s . More importantly he made damn sure that they all knew he knew more than them too. That’s a rare gift. We’ll see if Gareth has learned anything on Sunday… Spot on, mate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9570 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Am I missing something about Shearer in Euro 96, he was coming off the back of a season where he scored nearly 40 goals. Was he injured heading into it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Just now, Dazzler said: Am I missing something about Shearer in Euro 96, he was coming off the back of a season where he scored nearly 40 goals. Was he injured heading into it? He hadn’t scored in something like 10 England matches and there were several other candidates. Cole, Ferdinand and Wright in particular 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9570 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 6 minutes ago, Alex said: He hadn’t scored in something like 10 England matches and there were several other candidates. Cole, Ferdinand and Wright in particular I hope the three you picked were one of many, otherwise it makes Venables look a bit racist tbh 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 4 minutes ago, Dazzler said: I hope the three you picked were one of many, otherwise it makes Venables look a bit racist tbh Erm, Stan Collymore? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17165 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 26 minutes ago, Dazzler said: I hope the three you picked were one of many, otherwise it makes Venables look a bit racist tbh Robbie Fowler too I think which may have kept the KICK IT OUT attack dogs off his back 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 3 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Robbie Fowler too I think which may have kept the KICK IT OUT attack dogs off his back Aye. The four strikers in the squad were Fowler, Ferdinand, Shearer and Sherringham. Cole and Wright along with Beardsley missed out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ackas 311 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 1 hour ago, PaddockLad said: I think after the relative success of WC 2018 the England squad/team largely picked itself. Southgate has never had to deal with “generational” talents emerging and upsetting his cosy wee set up. Now for the first time he’s got to properly think about team selection he’s fucked. Which was very likely always on the cards. Tbf he had Foden and Bellingham at the WC in Qatar but neither of them at that point had come off the back of what might prove to be the best seasons in their club careers’ which makes them completely different propositions in terms of how they’re perceived by the general public and more significantly for Southgate personally the English football media. He knew he’d be fuckin crucified if he didn’t pick them both. He probably knew without a proper left back the logical pick on the left was Gordon with his Kenyan marathon runners’ stamina combined with a sprinter’s electric pace he would’ve been able to patrol the entire left hand side single handed and interact with the attacking midfielders as he’d done very effectively in the recent firiendly games, rather than relying on an an overlapping full back to provide support more often than not. Looks the same the other side re Saka/Palmer. Southgate has got it half right, he picked the PL’s form players in the squad. Then he went with loyalty to those in his pecking order and has shown signs this week that he’s willing to ditch them if it’s not going right. Has he got the balls to start Gordon, Palmer and Mainoo on Sunday?… for me he needs to drop one of the two that have caused all this bother for him this summer too.. two of the best half dozen attacking players in Europe… thing is, his coach at Euro 96 Terry Venables has shown him the way him. No fuckin way would virtually any other manager have stick with Shearer before the tournament started. The strikers ignored by Venables in favour of Shearer and the 30 year old Sheringham is fuckin jaw dropping. Venables told him not to listen to the press and he was his no.9. He told STEVE FUCKIN HOWEY in the winter of 1996 that he was in the squad, not only that but he was starting 2 out of the 3 group games (Howey said all this in a podcast) That’s the sort of single mindedness required but I don’t think nice guy Gareth has ever been remotely equipped to think along those lines. He wants to make everyone happy including the media. Venables knew he knew more about football than the craven tabloid wankers that followed the England team around in the mid 90s . More importantly he made damn sure that they all knew he knew more than them too. That’s a rare gift. We’ll see if Gareth has learned anything on Sunday… He will probably go with palmer and Mainoo as they got the most positive comments from his media mates last night, despite the fact that nothing really changed in the 2nd half when they came on. The real issue is his incessant, inherent cautiousness which isn’t going away in the next 5 days. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17165 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 12 minutes ago, Alex said: Aye. The four strikers in the squad were Fowler, Ferdinand, Shearer and Sherringham. Cole and Wright along with Beardsley missed out. Yeah. I think they took Nicky Barmby in front of Beardsley. High point of that cunts career by several light years tbh 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 34954 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 15 minutes ago, PaddockLad said: Yeah. I think they took Nicky Barmby in front of Beardsley. High point of that cunts career by several light years tbh They did, that’s right. Venables always rated him iirc. A very ordinary number 10 compared to Pedro. And wouldn’t have been close to being in the top 5 in Italy in that position at that time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Foden has returned home for a "pressing family matter". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19998 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 So he's fallen out with Southgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7076 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I’m just away to Amsterdam for a work do. Will still be there on Sunday so now really hoping we play the tulip-shaggers. I’ll get utterly fucking cunted to ensure entertainment. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10821 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 25 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Foden has returned home for a "pressing family matter". I'll pop round and see what's what. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5189 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 25 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Foden has returned home for a "pressing family matter". Only temporary though apparently. Guardian reporting his wife is heavily pregnant so it could just be that. I'm sure Southgate will find some way not to play Gordon whether Foden is here or not. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19998 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Ah hopefully she's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Aye he's gone to be home for the birth of his third child. He needs to be in attendance for the ceremonial shaving of the eyebrow tramlines. 13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9570 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Eze to get the nod over Gordon. It's nailed on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10821 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 16 minutes ago, Gemmill said: Aye he's gone to be home for the birth of his third child. He needs to be in attendance for the ceremonial shaving of the eyebrow tramlines. That's unnecessary, the little'un could be over arm tossed through the village and would come out the other side the spitting dab of his dad. Every fucking barber round here (and there are WAY too many) does the Foden cut whether you ask for it, or state with absolute fucking clarity that you don't want a straight fucking fringe you just want a short back and sides. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Dave, with respect, how THE FUCK would you know anything about delivering instructions to a barber. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 The latest styles don't come naturally to everyone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diego21 2135 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 I'm curious to see your opinions. Which England XI would you put in the round of 16 match seeing the level of the players in the tournament? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30409 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 41 minutes ago, Dazzler said: TAA to get the nod over Gordon. It's nailed on. FYP 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ackas 311 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 4 minutes ago, Diego21 said: I'm curious to see your opinions. Which England XI would you put in the round of 16 match seeing the level of the players in the tournament? Pickford TAA - Guehi - Stones - Walker Saka - Rice - Wharton - Gordon Foden - Bellingham Plenty of legs and runners in that line up. Obviously thats going to be far away from what Southgate picks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44561 Posted June 26 Share Posted June 26 Just now, ackas said: Pickford TAA - Guehi - Stones - Walker Saka - Rice - Wharton - Gordon Foden - Bellingham Plenty of legs and runners in that line up. Obviously thats going to be far away from what Southgate picks. No striker? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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