Holden McGroin 6174 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said: i think he fancied taking it to pens, which may have been our best chance of a win. he was also about to bring on trippier for shaw, which i sort of understood. not that trippier has offered much offensively at left back (not his fault) but shaw was clearly flagging as the game progressed and wouldn't have had the legs for ET. gallagher is a weird one. he runs around a lot, but he is he any better than sean longstaff? i dunno. @alex - i had a similar moment of clarity to you last night - wasn't really emotionally invested in the game either. i wanted england to win, but really didn't feel that low at the final whistle. totally different following your cub all season, when every poor result stings for a day or two. i can't wait for a return of club football and supporting the team that really matters again I had money on Spain so I was happy either way. Im just massively disconnected from supporting England these days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 33985 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 4 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said: Who dares wins and we didn’t. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 29419 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 10 minutes ago, trophyshy said: Ultimately it was their imagination that won it imo. We have great players but they are just not as creative. I am not sure this can be coached or is a cultural thing. Southgate doesn't help in this regard. Foden, Palmer, Saka and Bellingham had 54 assists between them last season. If you want creativity then you have to have a system that allows these players to flourish but ultimately you can't play them all together. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7039 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, ewerk said: Foden, Palmer, Saka and Bellingham had 54 assists between them last season. If you want creativity then you have to have a system that allows these players to flourish but ultimately you can't play them all together. Not saying we are not creative, obviously we are, but I think Spain are on another level, and I am not convinced that is completely down to coaching/tactics. Spain is an artistically very expressive and flamboyant nation. England, well, have you been here? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7039 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 You can't make paella with chips, gravy and mushy peas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 33985 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 14 minutes ago, trophyshy said: You can't make paella with chips, gravy and mushy peas. I bet Ray can 1 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 8314 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, ewerk said: Foden, Palmer, Saka and Bellingham had 54 assists between them last season. If you want creativity then you have to have a system that allows these players to flourish but ultimately you can't play them all together. You should see my FM24 England team. Win every match 6-5. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 8643 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 8314 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 16 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Old Yeller would like a word. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 19264 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 hours ago, Holden McGroin said: I had money on Spain so I was happy either way. Im just massively disconnected from supporting England these days. But not Southgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 8643 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 22 minutes ago, Dazzler said: Old Yeller would like a word. England's euro final mascot ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31434 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 hours ago, Gemmill said: Of course Shearer absolutely scoffed at the idea of "England being managed by a German?!" when Klopp was mentioned, the fucking tit. Went on to say that for him the England manager needs to be English. Brexit voter, Shearer. I guarantee it. I kind of agree with him that your manager should be from the same nation but them's not the rules so it's every country for themselves. 3 hours ago, The Fish said: No. Glad that interesting topic has been sorted straight away. Let's move onto something really interesting; is it written that travelling England fans have to be from parochial shitholes like Stoke, Port Vale and Gillingham? Port Vale is in Stoke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Holden McGroin 6174 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 18 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: But not Southgate It all tongue in cheek. To be honest, if you don't watch much of England and then look this record you'd say he has done really well. Edited July 15 by Holden McGroin 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 31434 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, wykikitoon said: Southgate for Liverpool, then Jamie? (Or would that be a big fat no?) 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6174 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: I kind of agree with him that your manager should be from the same nation but them's not the rules so it's every country for themselves. Yeah, interesting topic. We should discuss more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42458 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: This cheeky cunt admitted in his autobiography that England just wasn't a priority for him. He opted out of the 2002 World Cup so he could focus on Liverpool, and when McClaren was desperate and asked him to come back, he refused. So I suppose he'd at least be well informed as to what it looks like when England players don't turn up at big tournaments. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21245 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) carragher's got a bit of a point - foden didn't really turn up, other than in the first half against holland, nor did bellingham, other than in rare moments of magic, and kane, who didn't look fit. but it's natural to ask why players who are playing for the biggest teams in europe can't replicate their club form for the national team after a tournament where we stumbled to the final without ever really winning convincingly. they appear constrained - often played out of position - and the system which was changed from four at the back, to three at the back then back to four at the back again for the final, doesn't play to their strengths. and for that the manager has to take responsibility. no one is denying that southgate has done a brilliant job, taking over when england were in dire straits then going deep in four tournaments, but as manager he has to be accountable. it's always been the way in football - at club and international level. Edited July 15 by Dr Gloom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OTF 7052 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 12 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: no one is denying that southgate has done a brilliant job, taking over when england were in dire straits then going deep in four tournaments, but as manager he has to be accountable. it's always been the way in football - at club and international level. I will openly deny it. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10404 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 40 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said: I kind of agree with him that your manager should be from the same nation but them's not the rules so it's every country for themselves. Port Vale is in Stoke. I was just going off the flags. I assumed there was a difference. No intention of ever going to either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 42458 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 That is actually fucking mental to watch. It's like you're playing against the computer on an early version of Fifa, and it does something completely fucking batshit when it's in an attacking position. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21245 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 23 minutes ago, Gemmill said: That is actually fucking mental to watch. It's like you're playing against the computer on an early version of Fifa, and it does something completely fucking batshit when it's in an attacking position. especially as shaw is hugging the touchline and free for an easy ball to recycle possession and start another attack. Pickford’s long kicking was rank all evening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Howmanheyman 31434 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 hour ago, The Fish said: I was just going off the flags. I assumed there was a difference. No intention of ever going to either. I've been to both, (well, Stoke's old ground). Think Vale is in the Burslam district without checking? Messrs Robbie Williams and Stanley Matthews both hailed from Stoke. But you're right about the flags, they're the tournament fans because of course they are. (The alternative is lower league football with the occasional cup final against Sunderland). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10404 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Howmanheyman said: Messrs Robbie Williams and Stanley Matt 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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