Alex 35077 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said: howe will fuck off for the england job if the tight saudi cunts don't start buying him something other than shite goalkeepers. mark my words. That’s quite the take 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20129 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Gemmill said: The worst thing about this tournament is that the team and the manager should have LOADS of regrets. Wrong team selections, horrendously negative/conservative tactics, mistakes in the squad selection. Then the fact the team could clearly play when it needed to - evidence having an ability to constantly recover from falling behind - but whenever the scores were level, he was happy to sit back and just... I don't even know what. Wait for someone to produce something magic? There was no attempt to make things happen for ourselves. We went into the tournament with this wealth of attacking players and Southgate treated it like it was a weakness rather than a strength, and negated the squad's biggest asset with his pathetic tactics. On tactics too, Eddie Howe had a year and a bit off when he left Bournemouth and he travelled the world honing his coaching skills and trying to learn. Most of Southgate's job as England manager was down time. The FA would have happily funded him to do something like Howe did, but he didn't bother his arse as far as I can tell. I remember saying in earlier tournaments that he seemed like the sort of bloke that would address the shortcomings in his abilities, but if anything they just became more entrenched. Theres loads to be grateful to Southgate for, but the fact that there won't be a top club offering him a job tells you everything you need to know about his abilities as a manager. This is worth an applause. Great post. But what makes me chuckle. You'll get people ramming the 'best England manager ever' shite down at you. Oh yeh? He's also first manager to get to two finals and lose em both when he really had the players to win them both. The same people wank over Kane. Kane who smashes fuck out of Gibraltar in a friendly (like he should) but for this whole tournament has been missing. Friendlies like that where Southgate should be giving Watkins etc well over an hour of football but he won't. Hes a very limited manager and is scared of upsetting a few of his pals. Foden and Bellingham. Two of the best attacking players in the world last season have looked bang average for half a match of football and then shit the rest all because of Safegate football. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Gemmill said: The worst thing about this tournament is that the team and the manager should have LOADS of regrets. Wrong team selections, horrendously negative/conservative tactics, mistakes in the squad selection. Then the fact the team could clearly play when it needed to - evidence having an ability to constantly recover from falling behind - but whenever the scores were level, he was happy to sit back and just... I don't even know what. Wait for someone to produce something magic? There was no attempt to make things happen for ourselves. We went into the tournament with this wealth of attacking players and Southgate treated it like it was a weakness rather than a strength, and negated the squad's biggest asset with his pathetic tactics. On tactics too, Eddie Howe had a year and a bit off when he left Bournemouth and he travelled the world honing his coaching skills and trying to learn. Most of Southgate's job as England manager was down time. The FA would have happily funded him to do something like Howe did, but he didn't bother his arse as far as I can tell. I remember saying in earlier tournaments that he seemed like the sort of bloke that would address the shortcomings in his abilities, but if anything they just became more entrenched. Theres loads to be grateful to Southgate for, but the fact that there won't be a top club offering him a job tells you everything you need to know about his abilities as a manager. England should’ve to gone out to Slovakia and were incredibly lucky not to do so. That’s the legacy he deserved for his tactics and selections in this tournament Edited July 15 by Alex 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9203 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 3 minutes ago, Alex said: That’s quite the take one of the great monday morning thinkers me. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44853 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Of course Shearer absolutely scoffed at the idea of "England being managed by a German?!" when Klopp was mentioned, the fucking tit. Went on to say that for him the England manager needs to be English. Brexit voter, Shearer. I guarantee it. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44853 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 How much better are this Spain team to watch than the tikitaka lads btw? Tremendous. Played 7, won 7. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30598 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Kane hasn't suddenly become a bad striker, he's still one of the best in world football, it looks to me like a combination of a lack of fitness and a system that doesn't suit him at all. Looking at this England team and it's hard not to see similarities to Sven's side. Full of top quality players but a manager who is determined to shoe horn them into a team that just doesn't work together. If you're going to play Kane then you need runners in behind and Gordon would have been perfect for that but instead Southgate sticks Foden out there. If you want to play Foden and Bellingham together as No. 10s then you can't have a lone striker as immobile as Harry Kane but you do need a manager with more balls than Southgate to drop your top goalscorer. It's basically another missed opportunity. Another tournament where England get through playing with the handbrake on which will get you so far but won't get you far enough to win the actual thing. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20129 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, Gemmill said: How much better are this Spain team to watch than the tikitaka lads btw? Tremendous. Played 7, won 7. Their pressing, their intensity etc is what our should be with the players we have. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6583 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Interesting topic. Should management follow the same the rules as players in terms of nationality? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6583 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, ewerk said: Kane hasn't suddenly become a bad striker, he's still one of the best in world football, it looks to me like a combination of a lack of fitness and a system that doesn't suit him at all. Looking at this England team and it's hard not to see similarities to Sven's side. Full of top quality players but a manager who is determined to shoe horn them into a team that just doesn't work together. If you're going to play Kane then you need runners in behind and Gordon would have been perfect for that but instead Southgate sticks Foden out there. If you want to play Foden and Bellingham together as No. 10s then you can't have a lone striker as immobile as Harry Kane but you do need a manager with more balls than Southgate to drop your top goalscorer. It's basically another missed opportunity. Another tournament where England get through playing with the handbrake on which will get you so far but won't get you far enough to win the actual thing. Aye, he scored 49 goals this season. Terrible player. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44853 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, ewerk said: Kane hasn't suddenly become a bad striker, he's still one of the best in world football, it looks to me like a combination of a lack of fitness and a system that doesn't suit him at all. Looking at this England team and it's hard not to see similarities to Sven's side. Full of top quality players but a manager who is determined to shoe horn them into a team that just doesn't work together. If you're going to play Kane then you need runners in behind and Gordon would have been perfect for that but instead Southgate sticks Foden out there. If you want to play Foden and Bellingham together as No. 10s then you can't have a lone striker as immobile as Harry Kane but you do need a manager with more balls than Southgate to drop your top goalscorer. It's basically another missed opportunity. Another tournament where England get through playing with the handbrake on which will get you so far but won't get you far enough to win the actual thing. Agree with all of this. I don't necessarily think Kane's finished, but Southgate picked the perfect setup to make him look it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fish 10856 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 1 minute ago, Holden McGroin said: Interesting topic. Should management follow the same the rules as players in terms of nationality? No. Glad that interesting topic has been sorted straight away. Let's move onto something really interesting; is it written that travelling England fans have to be from parochial shitholes like Stoke, Port Vale and Gillingham? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6583 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Just now, The Fish said: No. Glad that interesting topic has been sorted straight away. Let's move onto something really interesting; is it written that travelling England fans have to be from parochial shitholes like Stoke, Port Vale and Gillingham? No, I saw an Accrington one. Done. Lets move on. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44853 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 I hadn't spotted this but Lineker was saying that, when Spain's winner went in, Southgate had two subs ready to come on - Trippier and Gallagher. Trippier you can understand, although it was 20 minutes too late. But Gallagher?! You're in a major championships final man. Are you gonna try and fucking win the tournament or what? What is his thinking there ffs. He's a human condom. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 9 minutes ago, The Fish said: No. Glad that interesting topic has been sorted straight away. I disagree. I don’t think it’s an interesting topic 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30598 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I hadn't spotted this but Lineker was saying Aye, he also pointed out that Southgate has won only 7 out of 29 games against top 10 ranked sides. He has had teams good enough to go toe to toe with the world's best but he hasn't done that. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20129 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 5 minutes ago, ewerk said: Aye, he also pointed out that Southgate has won only 7 out of 29 games against top 10 ranked sides. He has had teams good enough to go toe to toe with the world's best but he hasn't done that. But bur bur look at the other stats not the important ones. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9742 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Two Euro finals on the bounce he's dropped his arse. He almost got lucky at the last one by forcing it to pens despite being the poorer side. Last night we got what we deserved. We gave France a game at the last world cup and may have won it had Kane not ballooned that pen over the south stand. That's the only impressive performance against a top side in Southgate's tenure - even Germany were ranked 12th when we beat them at the last Euros (and we played shite against them). 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 16 minutes ago, Gemmill said: How much better are this Spain team to watch than the tikitaka lads btw? Tremendous. Played 7, won 7. I’m not even sure they were tika-taka. That gets unfair stick as a way of playing but the Barcelona team where Guardiola developed it were often great to watch. They kept it with short passing but used that to open teams up. Del Bosque with Spain played an ultra safe version with Busquets and Alonso sitting in front of the defence. You’re absolutely right that it could be dull as fuck though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44853 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 I just remember them constantly trying to pass the ball into the net and everyone going on about how great it was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13863 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Once again, we had all the initiative after the equaliser so what do we do? Retreat to the edge of our own box again. Endlessly infuriating. I felt quite existential about it last night, wondering what I’d done in a past life to see England and Newcastle get to three finals in 3 seasons and lose all of them but this morning, I’m slightly more relaxed about it all. I don’t think the time is gone for this group of players to win something but Southgate’s race is run. He’s proven time and again that he simply cannot get a real attacking tune out of a group of players who have scored about 250 goals between them last season. He willingly hands control of the game to whoever we’re playing in big moments, is petrified to make subs and basically played for draws in a knockout tournament. Howe would probably win the lot with this group of players and like I say, I don’t think the opportunity is gone yet but a few of those players need to retire from international football and give us a chance to start over 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayatollah Hermione 13863 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 2 minutes ago, Gemmill said: I just remember them constantly trying to pass the ball into the net and everyone going on about how great it was. To the back drop of FUCKING vuvuzelas. What a shit tournament. Nearly as shit as the ones we get to finals of and fuck it up on the night 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzler 9742 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 8 minutes ago, Alex said: I’m not even sure they were tika-taka. That gets unfair stick as a way of playing but the Barcelona team where Guardiola developed it were often great to watch. They kept it with short passing but used that to open teams up. Del Bosque with Spain played an ultra safe version with Busquets and Alonso sitting in front of the defence. You’re absolutely right that it could be dull as fuck though Pep's Barca were an absolute chore to watch iyam. They'd beat a team 4-0 and make it boring. His Bayern team were a great watch though once he cracked the German press, and Man City under him hover between great, high pressing footy and mind numbing barca style shit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 37 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said: Aye, he scored 49 goals this season. Terrible player. he is still a great goal-scorer. even in this tournament he bagged three goals, despite being a passenger in every game. he didn't look fit the whole tournament though then southgate admitted as much yesterday after the match. so why continue to play him when he's having so little impact on the game when we have quality strikers on the bench with legs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted July 15 Share Posted July 15 Aye, you can’t use his fitness as an excuse when you’re the fucking manager picking him over better options what a tool 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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