The Fish 10849 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 37 minutes ago, LondonBlue said: I genuinely hope you are. As a City fan we obviously have our own issues, but if i was a fan of a club nowhere near PSR issues (i'd have named one but i'm not sure i safely can) i'd be well unhappy with all these "swap" deals to make clubs compliant. I'd be like, "why did we bother following the rules when other clubs bypass the rules with these deals". Villa having to sell one of their best players in Douglas Luiz was just wrong. It actually makes me mad and i'm pretty relaxed on most things. My anger at that isn't even softened by City having a sell on clause on him. These swaps just go to show how inept the PL is. 1. The rules are wrong. 2. They don't work. I believe clubs should have a positive bottom line and thats it. A bit like how you or i live our lives, a mortgage is fine but maxing out the credit cards is bad. That's roughly how football should be. Nothing wrong with gifts from the family. When my parents pass on, i would hope that i would be allowed to spend any inheritance or if a wealthy uncle bought me a flash car. Football should be the same. What i'm saying is that i should be worried about your spending power, but thanks to PSR i don't have to yet. And thats wrong. I don't think you'll get any dissent on here. We are all only too aware that there has been a scramble to stymie any progress we might enjoy. Other clubs are getting caught in the cross fire (like Villa), but we're very much the cause of all these rules against who sponsors you, who you can and cannot sell your players to, etc. What was PSR's remit? To discourage reckless ownership, right? Make sure Premier League clubs were run in a sustainable way. And to prevent some wealthy owner from spending whatever they liked thereby eroding any sense of fairness and competition from the league. It was also supposed to prevent the inflation of player fees We still have reckless owners, some clubs are still not run in a sustainable way, wealthy owners are still spending whatever they like and player fees are still inflating. It needs an independent regulator to step in and codify a practical set of rules to govern spending, salaries, debt and sustainability. The established teams have successfully applied pressure on the PL to stop any threat to the status quo. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBlue 753 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 17 minutes ago, The Fish said: I don't think you'll get any dissent on here. We are all only too aware that there has been a scramble to stymie any progress we might enjoy. Other clubs are getting caught in the cross fire (like Villa), but we're very much the cause of all these rules against who sponsors you, who you can and cannot sell your players to, etc. What was PSR's remit? To discourage reckless ownership, right? Make sure Premier League clubs were run in a sustainable way. And to prevent some wealthy owner from spending whatever they liked thereby eroding any sense of fairness and competition from the league. It was also supposed to prevent the inflation of player fees We still have reckless owners, some clubs are still not run in a sustainable way, wealthy owners are still spending whatever they like and player fees are still inflating. It needs an independent regulator to step in and codify a practical set of rules to govern spending, salaries, debt and sustainability. The established teams have successfully applied pressure on the PL to stop any threat to the status quo. it failed massively to prevent the inflation of player fees. some examples. Virgil Van Dyke. ( forget the fact that Liverpool were caught tapping him up and had to wait to get him as a result ) we were in for him, but Liverpool set a world record for a defender.. We walked away. Cartel 1 New Money 0. Fred. We had a deal agreed with player and club. Man U offered substantially more, more than he was worth, and the club and player changed their mind. Cartel 2 New Money 0. Sanchez. Arsenal and the player accepted our bid. Man U came in with a late bid and money talked. Cartel 3 New Money 0. Harry Maguire. Same story. New Money Man City continually walk away if a player goes over our valuation. Think i'll start a thread on bluemoon on this subject as there are loads more that i can't remember their names and can't be bothered looking up. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2964 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 36 minutes ago, LondonBlue said: it failed massively to prevent the inflation of player fees. some examples. Virgil Van Dyke. ( forget the fact that Liverpool were caught tapping him up and had to wait to get him as a result ) we were in for him, but Liverpool set a world record for a defender.. We walked away. Cartel 1 New Money 0. Fred. We had a deal agreed with player and club. Man U offered substantially more, more than he was worth, and the club and player changed their mind. Cartel 2 New Money 0. Sanchez. Arsenal and the player accepted our bid. Man U came in with a late bid and money talked. Cartel 3 New Money 0. Harry Maguire. Same story. New Money Man City continually walk away if a player goes over our valuation. Think i'll start a thread on bluemoon on this subject as there are loads more that i can't remember their names and can't be bothered looking up. "New Money Man City" acquired the club in 2008 and now around £1.7 billion in transfers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBass 2651 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, MrRaspberryJam said: Someone dropped a shite in Chelsea's hotel? Glass coffee table in reception apparently, then stacked a bunch of brochures on top. Where were you on the night of the June 7th? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11258 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 3 hours ago, ewerk said: They were talking about Aston Villa on the radio yesterday. They've just had their best ever PL season and are playing in the CL next season. Now they've been forced to sell one of their best players, aren't likely to get out of their CL group and are highly unlikely to finish top 4 again next season. All because they aren't allowed to invest further. It's nonsensical and damages the PL 'brand' internationally. And also impacts on the European calculations for additional places in the Champions League. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBlue 753 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 1 hour ago, ohhh_yeah said: "New Money Man City" acquired the club in 2008 and now around £1.7 billion in transfers! not sure of your point there. my point is essentially that some clubs overpay thus pushing prices up. whereas others like us, walk away at a pre-determined price. We walked from a fair few overpriced holding midfielders before settling on Rodri. Similar before settling on Ruben Dias. but of course we've spent a lot in total, as have others. that's partly why we've won a lot (but it's clearly Pep too) You have to do that to get to the top. Which is why in the last 5 years we're now being outspent by you, arsenal, chelsea, man united and even liverpool ( source ) Statista reckons we've spent €1.59b ( £1.7b ) and Transfermarkt reckons our squad is worth €1.38b so money well spent i'd say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ohhh_yeah 2964 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 466 million euros. Nov. 15, 2023 "Manchester City, the Premier League’s dominant team for much of the past decade, announced on Wednesday that it had spent more on player salaries last season than any team in British football history, paying out more than $500 million as it claimed English and European championships." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LondonBlue 753 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 5 minutes ago, ohhh_yeah said: 466 million euros. Nov. 15, 2023 "Manchester City, the Premier League’s dominant team for much of the past decade, announced on Wednesday that it had spent more on player salaries last season than any team in British football history, paying out more than $500 million as it claimed English and European championships." yep, the most in history will likely go up year on year. i wonder what percentage of that was win bonuses given we won the treble. record revenues, record wages, record trophy haul. money reinvested in the club, not withdrawn probably worth noting that our wage bill this year is being reported at £200m which compares favorably to man uniteds £205m, Of course both clubs might need to add bonuses to those totals yet. i'm sure the newcastle picture will be similar once you successfully navigate the cartels blockades. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 10 hours ago, ewerk said: They were talking about Aston Villa on the radio yesterday. They've just had their best ever PL season and are playing in the CL next season. Now they've been forced to sell one of their best players, aren't likely to get out of their CL group and are highly unlikely to finish top 4 again next season. All because they aren't allowed to invest further. It's nonsensical and damages the PL 'brand' internationally. A bit like Leicester. They couldn’t kick on after winning the league and were a bit of a joke in the CL iirc. Which as well as being unfair, got them into the strife which saw them relegated eventually. And as Robin mentions re Villa, would have had negative implications in terms of the PL Uefa coefficient. It’s not really surprising the rules are a mess when they’ve been designed by a few clubs trying to keep themselves from being challenged by any new contenders 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 (edited) Actually scratch that last bit. I checked and they made the quarter finals of the CL. which shows how much attention I gave it the year we were in the championship. But they still weren’t really able to invest as much as their owner would have liked and slowly stagnated as a result Edited July 2 by Alex 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9385 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 33 minutes ago, Alex said: Actually scratch that last bit. I checked and they made the quarter finals of the CL. which shows how much attention I gave it the year we were in the championship. But they still weren’t really able to invest as much as their owner would have liked and slowly stagnated as a result Then he came a chopper, erm cropper, cropper I meant cropper 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35062 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Then he came a chopper, erm cropper, cropper I meant cropper 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21912 Posted July 2 Share Posted July 2 2 hours ago, Toonpack said: Then he came a chopper, erm cropper, cropper I meant cropper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9385 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 11 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: The rotor blade did WHAT 😱 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted July 3 Share Posted July 3 The 2 blokes that ran Cheslea's academy have quit today apparently. Rumours they are headed our way. Chelsea fans seem gutted 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20113 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Is there any news on our DOF btw? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9188 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 4 minutes ago, wykikitoon said: Is there any news on our DOF btw? nowt other than red cafe claiming we've only got £2.7m to spend on one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44805 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Paul Mitchell appointed as Sporting Director. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gemmill 44805 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 This news will completely overshadow the election. Record low turnout. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeAdmirer 1256 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 (edited) Edited July 4 by LongTimeAdmirer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6581 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Casey, Edward’s and the rest of the ITKs didn’t get a sniff of this. Let’s all laugh at what they say now 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44805 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 1 minute ago, LongTimeAdmirer said: SLOWCOACH! Genuinely embarrassed for you. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeAdmirer 1256 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Just now, Gemmill said: SLOWCOACH! Genuinely embarrassed for you. I've tweeted the club, you tweeted some itk bluetick fella 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44805 Posted July 4 Share Posted July 4 Not handling this well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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