Sir Edward of Howe’s Paggered But Awesome Beige Baiting Beauties vs Lorraine Chase.

[Nefilim 14]

Was going to say - Lemina was at Southampton. Jefferson Lerma was Bournemouth. Think that Ryan Jacob confusing the two players alludes to him not having a clue about what he's saying, and just stabbing in the dark with a statement that comes across as insightful and on-the-nose.

 

Stand out memory from that season when it went off the rails for Howe at Bouremouth and he was relegated was how turbo-shit Phil Billing was everytime I watched him. Dossing about in CM. Which can be easily seen in highlights below when we beat them 4-1.

 

I live on South-Coast, and watched Bouremouth a handful of times when they were in L1, Championship. A lot of those players Howe stuck with all the way to even a couple of seasons in the Prem - Cook, Francis, Daniels, Surman, Arter, Gosling, Fraser, Wilson. My memories of watching Bouremouth in the Prem at is was usally 4-4-2/4-4-1-1 with Arter-Surman, Billing-Lerma double pivot. 4-3-3 never jumps out in the memory. 

 

The recruitment was a huge issue at Bournemouth the longer they stayed in the Prem, and they never got it right when it came to transitioning away from the stalwart L1/Champ players into that next phase. Perfect example is the midfield of Harry Arter (40k from Woking)/Andrew Surman became £45M worth of Phil Billing and Jerferson Lerma. Howe's brother Andy Howe I seem to recall was big part of recruitment at Bournemouth, and is involved here too.

 

We smashed Bournemouth 4-1 that season, in what is probably one of only a few good performances that instantly spring to mind from under Bruce. Hard to tell from highlights, but does seem like a 4-4-2... double pivot sort of midfield rather than the 4-3-3 (creative base, with 2 hardworking '8's' ahead) Howe's been playing here. The huge gap between defensive line and midfield is something we've seen here often when our press fails. 

 

 

Not questioning Howe yet, but there is now new challenges for him here that could be parralled to the challenge of turning PL Bouremouth 1.0 into Bouremouth 2.0, one he ultimatly failed at. Would like to see him bring in a fresh face to his coaching team in the summer - not to necasserily overhaul the team he's worked with for so many years, but we've seen Pep, Klopp, Fergie was classic for it bring in a new face that will help evolve the team.

Edited February 5, 2024 by Nefilim

[Alex 36710]

So who do we reckon this is? Ricky Lambert or Matt Le Tissier? 

[Holden McGroin 7611]

1 hour ago, Nefilim said:

 

This is essentially what I was saying on Sat. If there is no pressure on the ball then burn with lots of space in behind him is a piss easy out ball for the opposition. 
 

he is struggling with the midfield in front of him so either we tighten up in the middle of the park or Eddie gives a Tino a go. Preferably both to be honest. 

[aimaad22 4688]

Howe's not a 'elite' coach because he's not yet had the chance to be one. This boring rehtoric pushed by the likes of Simon Jordan in the media and picked up by Twitter nonces is tedious as hell. If you've had years at top and not won anything I understand people questioning your ability at that level.

 

But if you've come in and changed the whole outlook and feel of the club whilst punching above your weight in the first couple of years and people start questioning you at the first sign of a hiccup, all it says is that they want you to fail. Probably because you're not their idea of a fancy looking, foreing sounding, twat acting 'top' manager. Twats.

[PaddockLad 19012]

1 hour ago, Alex said:

Do your research vibes from Mr 20 Twitter followers who can’t even get the name of the signing right. Also on one hand he’s saying history repeats itself and then on the other he’s inadvertently saying Howe has learnt from his mistakes and that’s why he isn’t playing a 6? He can get in the fucking sea too along with the rest of the impatient babies 

Thats not what I make of the post,  I think he just doesn’t play with a proper defensive midfielder because It takes away from the press.  It was Lerma who came in and didn’t really work at DM at AFCB (2018/19, they finished 14th) when Howe was accused of being too loyal to his defenders like Steve Cook and Simon Francis, that’s why Lerma was brought in and it didn’t really work. They went down the following season. Am not suggesting we’re going anywhere near relegation, am suggesting Eddie’s running game will have its limits and with Tonali suspended we’ve had to stick with it regardless 

Edited February 5, 2024 by PaddockLad

[Christmas Tree 5104]

What did the Howes ever do for us….. (in 2 years)

 

Saved us from relegation

Got us to a cup final

Got us into the Champions league

Got us playing great football

Made Joelinton

Delivered us Bruno

 

And people are wetting their knickers because a freakish turn of events has stuttered that progress.

 

 

 

[PaddockLad 19012]

2 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

What did the Howes ever do for us….. (in 2 years)

 

Saved us from relegation

Got us to a cup final

Got us into the Champions league

Got us playing great football

Made Joelinton

Delivered us Bruno

 

And people are wetting their knickers because a freakish turn of events has stuttered that progress.

 

 

 

Point is he’s got to try to make it work with what he’s got because despite huge mitigation he’s spent 400 mill and it’s not Twitter gobshites he’s got to keep happy it’s bonesaw dude 🤷🏻‍♂️

[aimaad22 4688]

There's been zero indication so far that PIF have unreasonable expectations from this project. In fact everything so far shows they're building for long term sustainable success. 

 

Also, 400M across two years is hardly blockbuster stuff by today's standards. Nevertheless, with that we got CL football faster than anyone imagined, plus a cup final in his first full season. 

[Dr Gloom 23634]

54 minutes ago, Christmas Tree said:

What did the Howes ever do for us….. (in 2 years)

 

Saved us from relegation

Got us to a cup final

Got us into the Champions league

Got us playing great football

Made Joelinton

Delivered us Bruno

 

And people are wetting their knickers because a freakish turn of events has stuttered that progress.

 

 

 

💯 

 

The #howeout crew can get in the bin. 

[Dr Gloom 23634]

40 minutes ago, aimaad22 said:

There's been zero indication so far that PIF have unreasonable expectations from this project. In fact everything so far shows they're building for long term sustainable success. 

 

Also, 400M across two years is hardly blockbuster stuff by today's standards. Nevertheless, with that we got CL football faster than anyone imagined, plus a cup final in his first full season. 

I think they have written off the season and will back Howe to finish as high as he can with the current squad before going big in the summer when hopefully ffp will

be less of an issue.
 

The Eales interview was designed to put pressure on the PL to loosen the P&S regulations. The PL don’t want another transfer window where no cunt spends any money for fear of being the next Everton.  Nor do Sky. It’s not good for the “best league in the world” brand. 
 

I’d like another European adventure next season but 8th isn’t the end of the world if they’re allowed to give Howe £200m+ to spend in the summer and he has more time on the training pitch without the extra fixtures. 

Edited February 5, 2024 by Dr Gloom

[sammynb 3923]

8 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

I’d like another European adventure next season but 8th isn’t the end of the world if they’re allowed to give Howe £200m+ to spend in the summer 

 

Win the FA Cup and doesn't matter where we finish, a trophy at long last and another European adventure albeit in the Europa league, which is probably the best we can get anyway with a league position.

Edited February 6, 2024 by sammynb

[Gemmill 49918]

Title challenge next season if we don't make the European spots. You heard it here first. 

[sammynb 3923]

More likely we lose our best players who want to play in Europe and we struggle to get in players with aspirations to play at that level.

So we end up with Phillip Billings and the like and those that keep harping on about upgrading Miggy will get even more chance.

Footballers careers are short and the good players don't have a lot of patience.

[Holden McGroin 7611]

2 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Title challenge next season if we don't make the European spots. You heard it here first. 

Have ANY of your predictions ever come true?

 

 

[Gemmill 49918]

17 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

Have ANY of your predictions ever come true?

 

 

 

I'm really confident about this next one:

 

I predict that you will die of syphilis. 

 

 

[Holden McGroin 7611]

7 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

 

I'm really confident about this next one:

 

I predict that you will die of syphilis. 

 

 

[Dr Gloom 23634]

4 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Title challenge next season if we don't make the European spots. You heard it here first. 

 

there’s the kiss of death, ffs

[Dr Gloom 23634]

3 hours ago, sammynb said:

More likely we lose our best players who want to play in Europe and we struggle to get in players with aspirations to play at that level.

So we end up with Phillip Billings and the like and those that keep harping on about upgrading Miggy will get even more chance.

Footballers careers are short and the good players don't have a lot of patience.

I read some comments from Bruno on Twitter post-Luton that seemed to be laying the groundwork for a summer departure if we don’t qualify for Europe 

[MrBass 3040]

4 hours ago, Gemmill said:

Title challenge next season if we don't make the European spots. You heard it here first. 

[The Fish 11321]

14 hours ago, PaddockLad said:

Thats not what I make of the post,  I think he just doesn’t play with a proper defensive midfielder because It takes away from the press.  It was Lerma who came in and didn’t really work at DM at AFCB (2018/19, they finished 14th) when Howe was accused of being too loyal to his defenders like Steve Cook and Simon Francis, that’s why Lerma was brought in and it didn’t really work. They went down the following season. Am not suggesting we’re going anywhere near relegation, am suggesting Eddie’s running game will have its limits and with Tonali suspended we’ve had to stick with it regardless 

 

I get what you're saying, but I think there's a way to play with a 6 and maintain the high press. If you've got 5 more attack minded players, 2 attacking fullbacks, a sweeper keeper and a mobile number 6, you can push high up so the 6 is doing his work closer to the centre circle. 

 

There he can cover the marauding fullbacks, help break up attacks, protect the centrebacks and start counters.

[PaddockLad 19012]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

 

I get what you're saying, but I think there's a way to play with a 6 and maintain the high press. If you've got 5 more attack minded players, 2 attacking fullbacks, a sweeper keeper and a mobile number 6, you can push high up so the 6 is doing his work closer to the centre circle. 

 

There he can cover the marauding fullbacks, help break up attacks, protect the centrebacks and start counters.

So do you think that was the most pragmatic option (due to our injury crisis) during the window if finances had allowed? …. because as you’re suggesting we don’t have that player at the club. 
 

We didn’t need this sort of player last year, if everyone’s fit the system doesn’t work that way. We run and we press. We don’t ask a player to sit in. Everyone was happy with it last year but because of personnel issues we’re still doing it but it’s not working . Not saying change isn’t required, it plainly is. Bruno went forward at 2-4 on Saturday and was fuckin brilliant  the utter bastard  but we didn’t concede when he did it, so maybe we need to work on that? 🤷🏻‍♂️

[The Fish 11321]

1 minute ago, PaddockLad said:

So do you think that was the most pragmatic option (due to our injury crisis) during the window if finances had allowed? …. because as you’re suggesting we don’t have that player at the club. 
 

We didn’t need this sort of player last year, if everyone’s fit the system doesn’t work that way. We run and we press. We don’t ask a player to sit in. Everyone was happy with it last year but because of personnel issues we’re still doing it but it’s not working . Not saying change isn’t required, it plainly is. Bruno went forward at 2-4 on Saturday and was fuckin brilliant  the utter bastard  but we didn’t concede when he did it, so maybe we need to work on that? 🤷🏻‍♂️

 

I think had the right player been available we would have moved for them. 

 

Without the DM we can play a form of the high pressing game we saw last year, but only when Joelinton and Pope are fit.

[PaddockLad 19012]

10 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

I think had the right player been available we would have moved for them. 

 

Without the DM we can play a form of the high pressing game we saw last year, but only when Joelinton and Pope are fit.

Well yeah that’s what I’m saying Joe and Pope are out. So we have to adapt with what we’ve got. I think that’s why at 2-4 Bruno was pushed forward and it worked well. Wishing we had a player of the type we’ve not played with before that we couldn’t afford anyway isn’t really groping towards a solution 

[The Fish 11321]

2 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Well yeah that’s what I’m saying Joe and Pope are out. So we have to adapt with what we’ve got. I think that’s why at 2-4 Bruno was pushed forward and it worked well. Wishing we had a player of the type we’ve not played with before that we couldn’t afford anyway isn’t really groping towards a solution 

 

Last few games Bruno's been more conservative with his runs and passing, which I think has diminished his impact, but served the team better. 

 

It's like trying to get Tom Hanks to fix the spaceship with whatever they've got lying around.

[Monkeys Fist 45141]

6 hours ago, The Fish said:

Bruno's been more conservative