Sir Edward of Howe’s Paggered But Awesome Beige Baiting Beauties vs Lorraine Chase.

[sammynb 3922]

Oh and nothing to do with the game and everything to do with Toontastic, the way some of you are carrying on at @LongTimeAdmirer it's fucking mackem like behaviour when one of them realises they have a cute teenage cousin and they follow them around trying to get a whiff. Put her on ignore or just flick past her post, it's fucking embarrassing.

 

And @LongTimeAdmirer, give over on the shite with Gordon, if you want to post here and not be seen as a WUM, realise that he's making a huge contribution this season. You might not like him but he's a NUFC player and for that as a supporter you should get get behind him.
I fucking hated the fact Barton and Bowyer played for our club but when they were on the field and putting in the effort, they deserved nothing but our support.

[Nefilim 14]

 

1 hour ago, toonotl said:

Terrible performance in terms of controlling the game and all aspects of defending across the entire pitch.

 

I feel like there is a case to argue that Howe needs to develop his thinking around the selection of defenders too. He has stated that he likes to keep his back four selection consistent. That's fair enough. But for me there has to be more willingness to make tactical switches (like for example when your slow LB with the turning circle of the Queen Mary is up against the actual faster player in the league). He was quick on his feet against Villa in switching to a back five with wingbacks and pushing Burn inside to left-sided centre back. But prevention is better than a cure. Burn needed to be on the bench today.

 

As it is now, Burn cannot be starting next week. That's a performance that requires him to take a seat. Terrible penalty to give away.

 

I think it could be a broader case of Howe adding something different to his backroom team end of the season too. It's something that will inevitably have to be done for Howe to now progress at the top end of PL management and keep us progressing as well. 

 

There is definatly a consistency that borders on a lack of flexibility in Howe's approach. For example, in recent weeks I don't think setting up as a 343/back 5 would have been the worst shout - Burn LCB, Tino LB - Longstaff/Miley, Bruno - Miggy, Isak, Almiron. Going back to Luton away, going into Forest on Boxing day. Both shite performances - we could have easily matched both sides up, and seen just as much if not more going forward with Tino playing on the left.

 

We wouldn't be the first or last side to play 541 against Man City or Liverpool away either, and I don't think we ship another 4 goals today playing Burn LCB with Tino LB in a back 4.

 

We're seeing zero benefit in having that extra man in midfield, and all the drawbacks of Bruno/Miley/Longstaff not being a midfield 3 that can control a game neither overun boss a game. All the while running our 3 remaining fit CMs all into the ground at once.  

 

 

Edited February 4, 2024 by Nefilim

[sammynb 3922]

7 minutes ago, Nefilim said:

 

 

I think it could be a broader case of Howe adding something different to his backroom team end of the season too. It's something that will inevitably have to be done for Howe to now progress at the top end of PL management and keep us progressing as well. 

 

There is definatly a consistency that borders on a lack of flexibility in Howe's approach. For example, in recent weeks I don't think setting up as a 343/back 5 would have been the worst shout - Burn LCB, Tino LB - Longstaff/Miley, Bruno - Miggy, Isak, Almiron. Going back to Luton away, going into Forest on Boxing day. Both shite performances - we could have easily matched both sides up, and seen just as much if not more going forward with Tino playing on the left.

 

We wouldn't be the first or last side to play 541 against Man City or Liverpool away either, and I don't think we ship another 4 goals today playing Burn LCB with Tino LB in a back 4.

 

We're seeing zero benefit in having that extra man in midfield, and all the drawbacks of Bruno/Miley/Longstaff not being a midfield 3 that can control a game neither overun boss a game. All the while running our 3 remaining fit CMs all into the ground at once.  

 

 

 

Five across the back, at home, against relegation fodder Luton - Big Sam Alladyce has joined the conversation.

BTW you obviously missed the Villa game, there was nothing wrong with the midfield three. Bruno just needed not to be running around like a "headless chook" and hold his position.

[Nefilim 14]

6 minutes ago, sammynb said:

 

Five across the back, at home, against relegation fodder Luton - Big Sam Alladyce has joined the conversation.

BTW you obviously missed the Villa game, there was nothing wrong with the midfield three. Bruno just needed not to be running around like a "headless chook" and hold his position.

 

If we end up pinned down as a back 5, yeah - fully agree that's the answer to nothing.

 

We've no midfielder than can sit and hold, and defend against transition anyway. We got fucked by Forest breaking on us and a back 4 dragged all over the shop, same today. Burn at LB has been isolated and looked a risk to liability against Kabore/Townsend, Elanga, Doku, Harry Wilson for 45mins, Bailey and now Ogbene.

 

Whatever XI that's left seems to be running on fumes when it comes to having that front-foot intensity, that always helped aleviate Burn's weaknesses which teams even then tried to isolate.

 

Playing with cards we've got left - I'm saying [Schar-Botman-Burn][Trippier, Miley/Longstaff, Bruno, Tino] and whatever 3 is fittest out of Barnes, Murph, Almiron, Wilson, Gordon is going to be the best approach for Forest, and wouldn't have been any worse 5 of our recent games we've dropped points in.

 

 

[Nefilim 14]

We basically defend with a back 3 anyway as Burn offers us fuck all going forward.

 

We don't have a midfield that can protect a back 4 and not leave them isolated and ran at like today or against Forest - at least setting up with Burn as a authodox CB we should be better suited and set up to defend at someone like Barkley robbing Longstaff and running at us.

 

Tino would be width on left side that can actually get across the half way line at attack, and we'd still have a front three of Miggy,Wilson,Gordon for example.

[Christmas Tree 5103]

Personally think the reaction to this result is way OTT. Luton played a decent game yesterday and as their previous results show, are no pushover. 
 

They came and gave us a good game of football in a very entertaining open match.

[The Fish 11313]

15 hours ago, LongTimeAdmirer said:

Muppet 

Howe. Took. Him. Off. Because. He. Was. Injured. 

 

Using whoscored measures does not give a full idea of his efficacy. 

 

You should stick to wanking over pirouettes and leave proper thinking to the big boys. 

[The Fish 11313]

I know it's been done to death, but so many of our issues come down to who's available. Burn at LB with Joelinton and Pope in the team is a very different prospect than without them. 

 

Pope sweeping up would mean the pace of Luton's right winger is less dangerous and with Joelinton protecting that flank more the supply line would be choked. 

 

Burn does need swapping out because what he brings to the team is now less than he takes from it. 

 

No surprise that we look paggered after 3 games in 7 days because there's just no let up. Howe needs to make quicker changes to the side but anyone talking about getting rid is just overreacting to a bad result.

 

This season can just fuck off to be honest. So can LTA

[Alex 36696]

25 minutes ago, The Fish said:

I know it's been done to death, but so many of our issues come down to who's available. Burn at LB with Joelinton and Pope in the team is a very different prospect than without them. 

 

Pope sweeping up would mean the pace of Luton's right winger is less dangerous and with Joelinton protecting that flank more the supply line would be choked. 

 

Burn does need swapping out because what he brings to the team is now less than he takes from it. 

 

No surprise that we look paggered after 3 games in 7 days because there's just no let up. Howe needs to make quicker changes to the side but anyone talking about getting rid is just overreacting to a bad result.

 

This season can just fuck off to be honest. So can LTA

Joelinton and Willock down that side would probably see their RW having to help his fullback out a lot more too 

[The Fish 11313]

4 minutes ago, Alex said:

Joelinton and Willock down that side would probably see their RW having to help his fullback out a lot more too 

Do you know what wouldn't help?

[Dr Gloom 23611]

Just had a browse through the #howeout hashtag on Twitter after reading an article about people turning on the manager online during the Luton game, which I could barely believe -  absolutely embarrassing craic from “fans” who clearly have only “supported” us for five minute 

[Alex 36696]

1 minute ago, Dr Gloom said:

Just had a browse through the #howeout hashtag on Twitter after reading an article about people turning on the manager online during the Luton game, which I could barely believe -  absolutely embarrassing craic from “fans” who clearly have only “supported” us for five minute 

As we get better it’s only going to get worse. Although I don’t have a Twitter account and never really look at it (unless someone posts a tweet on here) which helps  

[spongebob toonpants 4359]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

This season can just fuck off to be honest.

Nah.. hammered PSG, beat ManU and ManC. Minutes from CL next round and CC semifinal, still in FA Cup and a more than decent chance of some sort of Europe again next year

It's a season we could have only dreamed of for a decade and s half

Oh and Klopp is fucking off, we've hammered the beige twice, won 8-0 away and seen AG10 join Bruno Isak BigJo and Botman as players that could probably walk into any team in Europe.

And this is during a season where we've had nothing go our way. 

Enjoy the rollercoaster motherfuckers

 

Oh and humiliated the unwashed

[wykikitoon 22820]

1 hour ago, The Fish said:

I know it's been done to death, but so many of our issues come down to who's available. Burn at LB with Joelinton and Pope in the team is a very different prospect than without them. 

 

Pope sweeping up would mean the pace of Luton's right winger is less dangerous and with Joelinton protecting that flank more the supply line would be choked. 

 

Burn does need swapping out because what he brings to the team is now less than he takes from it. 

 

No surprise that we look paggered after 3 games in 7 days because there's just no let up. Howe needs to make quicker changes to the side but anyone talking about getting rid is just overreacting to a bad result.

 

This season can just fuck off to be honest. So can LTA

 

With more options available there can be some rotation to help with the 3 games in 7 days.  So anyone saying fatigue doesn't have a bearing is just mad.

[wykikitoon 22820]

[MrBass 3021]

Yeah saw that last night, shocking stats tbf and shows how much we're missing Pope.

 

Also doesn't help when you don't have recognised striker on the field and our fastest player has to fill in as a false 9. Miggy and Gordon on the wings yesterday and we probably wouldn't have conceded 4.

[wykikitoon 22820]

I bet 'Meeks' was pissing his pants last night.  Wor Al will give him a slap on the poddy.

[The Fish 11313]

44 minutes ago, spongebob toonpants said:

Nah.. hammered PSG, beat ManU and ManC. Minutes from CL next round and CC semifinal, still in FA Cup and a more than decent chance of some sort of Europe again next year

It's a season we could have only dreamed of for a decade and s half

Oh and Klopp is fucking off, we've hammered the beige twice, won 8-0 away and seen AG10 join Bruno Isak BigJo and Botman as players that could probably walk into any team in Europe.

And this is during a season where we've had nothing go our way. 

Enjoy the rollercoaster motherfuckers

 

Oh and humiliated the unwashed

You know what, I don't often say this but, I was wrong and you're absolutely right.

 

Right, off for a Dettol scrub. LATERZZZZ

[The Fish 11313]

32 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

That sample includes only 5 games 

 

With games against Liverpool (a), Man City (h), Aston Villa (a). 

 

Across the season it reads;

Goals conceded 12th

Shots on target faced 16th

Shots faced 15th

xGA 18th

 

Not great, admittedly, but there are obvious mitigating factors 

 

What about the other end of the pitch;

 

Goals scored 5th

Shots 8th

Shots on target 6th

xG 2nd

All that ends up with 33pts, League pos 9th, currently 3pts off 6th. 

 

Pretty good when you can count the number of games we've had two fit strikers on one hand. And also the number of games with no fit strikers is greater than zero, which is suboptimal. 

[David Kelly 1334]

On 04/02/2024 at 10:23, The Fish said:

That sample includes only 5 games 

 

With games against Liverpool (a), Man City (h), Aston Villa (a). 

 

Across the season it reads;

Goals conceded 12th

Shots on target faced 16th

Shots faced 15th

xGA 18th

 

Not great, admittedly, but there are obvious mitigating factors 

 

What about the other end of the pitch;

 

Goals scored 5th

Shots 8th

Shots on target 6th

xG 2nd

All that ends up with 33pts, League pos 9th, currently 3pts off 6th. 

 

Pretty good when you can count the number of games we've had two fit strikers on one hand. And also the number of games with no fit strikers is greater than zero, which is suboptimal. 

I think we're seeing the effects of having Gordon on the left and not having Willock for basically the whole season and missing Joelinton a bit too.  We're not the defensive unit we were (Pope's injury is hurting us too) and Burn in particular seems to be suffering from it. The change in how we are going about things in an attacking sense has certainly weakened us defensively.  Howe still seems to be struggling to find the right balance, we're having less games where it looks like we can't score but we're not keeping the clean sheets that we were, particularly earlier on last term.  And I can't see that changing this season without having Jo or Tonali back.  Even when they are, it still seems to me that we need a proper number 6 instead of playing a flat midfield 3.

[Nefilim 14]

 

[aimaad22 4682]

25 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

I think we're seeing the effects of having Gordon on the left and not having Willock for basically the whole season and missing Joelinton a bit too.  We're not the defensive unit we were (Pope's injury is hurting us too) and Burn in particular seems to be suffering from it. The change in how we are going about things in an attacking sense has certainly weakened us defensively.  Howe still seems to be struggling to find the right balance, we're having less games where it looks like we can't score but we're not keeping the clean sheets that we were, particularly earlier on last term.  And I can't see that changing this season without having Jo or Tonali back.  Even when they are, it still seems to me that we need a proper number 6 instead of playing a flat midfield 3.

 

Can't underestimate the impact of not having Tonali, Joe and Willock available for much of this season. Even just in terms of pure energy and how vital that is to our system. 

 

From the little we saw of Tonali I think it was clear that he's got a serious engine, surprising pace too at times. We've bascially seen nothing of the side that Eddie wanted to put out this season.

[Dr Gloom 23611]

29 minutes ago, David Kelly said:

I think we're seeing the effects of having Gordon on the left and not having Willock for basically the whole season and missing Joelinton a bit too.  We're not the defensive unit we were (Pope's injury is hurting us too) and Burn in particular seems to be suffering from it. The change in how we are going about things in an attacking sense has certainly weakened us defensively.  Howe still seems to be struggling to find the right balance, we're having less games where it looks like we can't score but we're not keeping the clean sheets that we were, particularly earlier on last term.  And I can't see that changing this season without having Jo or Tonali back.  Even when they are, it still seems to me that we need a proper number 6 instead of playing a flat midfield 3.

not helped by only having three fit midfielders to choose from either, one of whom is 17 

[PaddockLad 19002]

Saw this at the weekend and think there’s something in it as it’s been largely  corroborated by a couple of Bournemouth supporting mates but tbf I remembered them saying it at the time. I’d like to think that such a highly intelligent man will be able to make things work with what  he has available. We’ll see. 

Edited February 5, 2024 by PaddockLad

[Alex 36696]

Do your research vibes from Mr 20 Twitter followers who can’t even get the name of the signing right. Also on one hand he’s saying history repeats itself and then on the other he’s inadvertently saying Howe has learnt from his mistakes and that’s why he isn’t playing a 6? He can get in the fucking sea too along with the rest of the impatient babies