Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Come on then. Almiron aside, if we had to sell a "big name" player to finance the next two transfer windows, who is the first to go? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44900 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Only 4 of them would bring in any sort of decent cash for me. Botman, Bruno, Joelinton and Isak. I'll pick Wilson to avoid having to pick one of them. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20156 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Like G says. The only realistic transfer fee to bring in big cash is them 3. I don't want to sell any but if it was any it would be Bruno. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2980 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 This is all bullshit for me because we shouldn't be looking to sell. But ... there's no way Wilson, Schar or Pope would command big enough money to give us the sort of wiggle room we're after in the market. Willock too is no guarantee given the disruption to his season. What could we realistically hope to get for Wilson? And from who? He's a massive risk for anyone looking to buy a striker. Unless we ship him off to Saudi. I put Bruno for a few reasons. Firstly, there appears to be a desire from some truly massive clubs to bring him in so there's buyers. Secondly, there's a minimum release clause in place that shuts down much of the bullshit about what he's to be sold for if he were to be sold. If he were sold for around 100m we could reinvest an enormous amount (4x/5x the transfer fee or so when considering amortisation) to get 3-4 players of potentially his quality into the club in multiple positions. That is actually a potential game-changer. Selling anyone else is not in the same ballpark and not to be considered the type of game-changer that selling Bruno would be. (Apart from Isak, but I think Isak is actually completely off the table because for the most part strikers are more difficult and more expensive to replace.) Mind you, I'm not convinced that selling someone is on our agenda (unless it is for ridiculous money). I think we are still nowhere near our revenue ceiling with more money to come in from sponsorships for this that and the other. Hopefully, we can hold off for a few more seasons and keep building the squad before we start thinking about selling off one of our key assets. We should sell Matt Ritchie to Al-Oilalala FC for 80m. Then invest 20m in lawyers and the rest in the squad. Easy peasy. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NJS 4386 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Can I ask a daft question of those who've read up on FFP? I think two summers ago when they bought Richarlison, Spurs owners but 150m of equity in to "fund squad development" as it was put at the time. Why can't we or anyone else for that matter just put 500m in on those terms? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9244 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 selling our top players? hate theses PIF cunts me, it's like westwood, seymour and mckeag all over again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21924 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 The only one who goes is Bruno if someone activated his £110m release clause. I’d be gutted and I hope it’s all a smokescreen ahead of more canny loan signings and crafty sponsorships Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holden McGroin 6587 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 (edited) I went for Willock. I like him but we have Big Joe and Gordon that can operate on that side. With Anderson and Barnes in the mix as well. Edited January 11 by Holden McGroin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Why's Tonali not on the list? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted January 11 Author Share Posted January 11 Cos unless we sell him over £60mil we are no better off. And who the fuck is going to buy a player who is banned for the next 9months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21627 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 So I'm a bit behind here, are definitely selling a big name this window? Not waiting until the summer? If so, the question then is answered by which club would pay the most money for a player position they are in desperate need of. If FFP has forced us into being a selling club with the richest owners in the world what is the fucking point btw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 2014: Brendan Rodgers is Liverpool manager. He wants a new striker as he’s just sold Suarez to Barcelona. He gets Mario Balotelli 2015: Steven Gerrard leaves, goes to MLS 2018: Klopp is manager, he sells Coutinho to Barca and signs VVD & Allison. 2019: Liverpool win champions league 2020: Liverpool win league title So Liverpool had to beat Man City and Chelsea to get these two big prizes at the end. 6 years on from a massive downgrade in selling Suarez and bringing in Balotelli who’d already been deemed not good enough at Man City. The Liverpool squad in 14/15 beggars belief tbh: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Liverpool_F.C._season I don’t know where you put us in that timeline but it’s either 2014 or not long after. I personally don’t buy the sensationalist headlines from Hope et al. That’s not really what Eales said in the interview. What I’m trying to say is I suppose we need to have some patience and certainly don’t take things in the media at face value. If Bruno does get sold we’re going to have his replacement (he may actually be at the club already) and proper improvement on others lined up. This is now a professional outfit. I’ve put the LFC timeline up and shown how quickly (or slowly depending how you look at it) things can turn round…. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaddockLad 17281 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 11 minutes ago, Renton said: So I'm a bit behind here, are definitely selling a big name this window? Not waiting until the summer? If so, the question then is answered by which club would pay the most money for a player position they are in desperate need of. If FFP has forced us into being a selling club with the richest owners in the world what is the fucking point btw. Yeah. You’d imagine if we’re taking PiF at their word they’re challenging that in the courts as anti competitive very soon. But there’s no indication whatsoever that they’re even thinking about it… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrokendoll 9244 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 @Dougle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dougle 3337 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 Just now, thebrokendoll said: @Dougle Whey man 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aimaad22 4156 Posted January 11 Share Posted January 11 1 hour ago, NJS said: Can I ask a daft question of those who've read up on FFP? I think two summers ago when they bought Richarlison, Spurs owners but 150m of equity in to "fund squad development" as it was put at the time. Why can't we or anyone else for that matter just put 500m in on those terms? Not aware of the Spurs case but FFP prescribes the maximum losses a club can make. Owner equity doesn't help with that as it's a cash injection and not income in accounting terms. So basically the more revenue/income you generate, the more you can spend before a loss in incurred. Which is why it clearly serves to close shop for the 'big' clubs that already have huge income streams. How much cash PIF can invest is meaningless right now. Also why not having many players we can realistically sell is a problem as player sales are also income. I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trophyshy 7083 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Bruno is amazing but maybe Tonali is better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobHopeandNoHope 592 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 Voted Wilson but can’t see his sale generating enough to fund any decent incomings….we need to keep all of the others mentioned though, above Wilson. Probably gonna be a case of getting through till the end of this season, then look at signings. I’ve as much clue about FFP as I have about Astro Physics ffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toonotl 2980 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 It's honestly a sad state of affairs when you have to know the difference between a balance sheet item, such as owner's equity, and how that differs from a P&L item just to support a football club. It's proper revenge of the nerds shit. FFP is complete bullshit for many reasons but for making accountants relevant to discussions about football ... that is unforgiveable. LeazesMag was ahead of his time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wykikitoon 20156 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7 hours ago, PaddockLad said: 2014: Brendan Rodgers is Liverpool manager. He wants a new striker as he’s just sold Suarez to Barcelona. He gets Mario Balotelli 2015: Steven Gerrard leaves, goes to MLS 2018: Klopp is manager, he sells Coutinho to Barca and signs VVD & Allison. 2019: Liverpool win champions league 2020: Liverpool win league title So Liverpool had to beat Man City and Chelsea to get these two big prizes at the end. 6 years on from a massive downgrade in selling Suarez and bringing in Balotelli who’d already been deemed not good enough at Man City. The Liverpool squad in 14/15 beggars belief tbh: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014–15_Liverpool_F.C._season I don’t know where you put us in that timeline but it’s either 2014 or not long after. I personally don’t buy the sensationalist headlines from Hope et al. That’s not really what Eales said in the interview. What I’m trying to say is I suppose we need to have some patience and certainly don’t take things in the media at face value. If Bruno does get sold we’re going to have his replacement (he may actually be at the club already) and proper improvement on others lined up. This is now a professional outfit. I’ve put the LFC timeline up and shown how quickly (or slowly depending how you look at it) things can turn round…. Superb reply PL. Like you Hope is totally blowing up what was said and getting clicks the miserable cunt. No doubt in time we will have to sell, but I trust the club to do the right thing and reinvest in the right areas. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7030 Posted January 12 Author Share Posted January 12 That Liverpool side was honking mind. They recruited well with the likes of TAA, Robertson, Salah, Mane, Firminho, VVD, Allison 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35095 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 (edited) Trent was part of their youth set-up wasn’t he? Anyway, re the spurs thing and cash injection, didn’t we already do that with the issuing of a single share? I can’t quite remember the details but you’re able to do that, up to certain limit within a certain timescale. I think that’s 3 years, which I also think ties in with FFP, which is a rolling 3 year thing iirc. I don’t think we’ve reached our limit, so could feasibly do it again. And that’s without impacting FFP. No doubt someone will put me right if I’m talking shite (wouldn’t be the first time), but that’s my vague understanding Edited January 12 by Alex 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11281 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 1 hour ago, Kid Dynamite said: That Liverpool side was honking mind. They recruited well with the likes of TAA, Robertson, Salah, Mane, Firminho, VVD, Allison Salah was another one Ashley rejected wasn't he? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9431 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 9 hours ago, PaddockLad said: Yeah. You’d imagine if we’re taking PiF at their word they’re challenging that in the courts as anti competitive very soon. But there’s no indication whatsoever that they’re even thinking about it… I have suspicions the whole Saudi league loan business (started by Ashworth's comments) and the PL quick rule change attempt, was part of a building a case exercise. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howmanheyman 33245 Posted January 12 Share Posted January 12 7 minutes ago, Toonpack said: I have suspicions the whole Saudi league loan business (started by Ashworth's comments) and the PL quick rule change attempt, was part of a building a case exercise. I definitely got that impression too. Giving them enough rope came to mind. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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