RobinRobin 11263 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 53 minutes ago, Craig said: Been watching a lot of John Oliver's Last Week Tonight recently and he did one a few weeks ago on the occupation of the West Bank. Worth the 45 minutes to watch it if you haven't already seen it: https://tube.fede.re/w/c85fcae5-06b0-4f44-870b-a74c07378d95 Cheers. I'd given up on him recently because he wasn't roasting Trump when he wasn't in office. He started on parochial US stuff which didn't mean much to me. 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 23 minutes ago, RobinRobin said: Cheers. I'd given up on him recently because he wasn't roasting Trump when he wasn't in office. He started on parochial US stuff which didn't mean much to me. 👍 He's more than making up for it now ... although he's aiming it more towards Vance than Trump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 1 hour ago, RobinRobin said: Cheers. I'd given up on him recently because he wasn't roasting Trump when he wasn't in office. He started on parochial US stuff which didn't mean much to me. 👍 The piece he did on the Tories just before the election (which wasn't permitted to be broadcast in the UK) was nothing short of superb. https://tube.fede.re/w/e59cb0b5-3970-4298-af80-38b9aeeae0a0 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Yesterday pagers, today walkie-talkies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21614 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 I am getting that Michell and Webb meme "are we the bad guys" feelin here. Hezbollah maybe terrorists, but the Israeli governement are too, and much more extreme and better at it. If the boot were on the other foot there would be outrage. Netanyahu needs to be tried and imprisoned for life under terrorism charges. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 Could not agree more. The depravity of their actions cannot be lessened on the basis of international relations, nor can it be excused in any way because "Hamas and Hezbollah are bad guys too". It's utterly appalling. I watched that John Oliver thing back earlier and the most telling line was where he comments on Israel's position in the aftermath of the holocaust which was "it must never happen again". They're dangerously close, as he pointed to that rhetoric being discretely changed to "it must never happen again, to us". 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Renton 21614 Posted September 18 Share Posted September 18 2 minutes ago, Craig said: Could not agree more. The depravity of their actions cannot be lessened on the basis of international relations, nor can it be excused in any way because "Hamas and Hezbollah are bad guys too". It's utterly appalling. I watched that John Oliver thing back earlier and the most telling line was where he comments on Israel's position in the aftermath of the holocaust which was "it must never happen again". They're dangerously close, as he pointed to that rhetoric being discretely changed to "it must never happen again, to us". Aye, or even ""it must never happen again, unless by us". This is what I find so disturbing, if there were one group of people who should be acutely aware of the consequences of, at best, ethnic cleansing, it is the Israeli settlers of the holocaust survivors. It gives me little hope for humanity that they participate in this, and, from what I can tell, most in Israel are supportive. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 Hezbollah leader giving a press conference stating the device attacks are a 'declaration of war. Whilst he's giving his speech Israeli fighters are bombing ground targets in Lebanon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemmill 44853 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 My advice: stop following it. These fucking nutcases have been doing this shit for our entire lives. It's absolutely miserable and incredibly sad that a lot of normal civilians are bearing the brunt of it. These little men and their stupid religions and power plays can all get absolutely fucked. But for your own mental health, you're better off just switching off from it. 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 it's hard for me to switch off because my family are in the middle of it. for what it's worth, popular opinion in israel seems to have turned massively against netanyahu. there have been regular protests on the streets about him, particularly after so many of the hostages were returned dead. he will end up behind bars when this is done, and rightly so for the atrocities he has overseen, which is why it's in his interests to prolong the conflict as long as possible. conversely, and perversely, his likud party are climbing in the polls again. fucking hopeless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 (edited) On 11/08/2024 at 09:17, Renton said: And Ukraine. I sincerely hope somehow a two state solution and peace can prevail in Gaza. But the problems of the Middle East just seem intractable and eternal, depressing as that is. As a European, I am more concerned by and focused on peace in Europe. it's hard to see how it ever happens. There is too much hatred and so little trust built up over decades of conflict. The Oslo accords seem a long, long time ago. Israeli nationalists and dickheads in the settlements believe Gaza and the West Bank is theirs. Hamas wants to wipe Israel off the map and replace it with a new state of Palestine, from the river to the sea as the chant goes. Moderates on both sides who believe in a two state solution and peace are scared about the military threat from the other. FWIW, Israel bulldozed its settlements in Gaza when it withdrew, it could do the same in the West Bank if there was ever the political will (seems a million miles away from where we are today). It's worth noting that Hamas were elected shortly after Israel withdrew - something the far-right nutters would point to if things ever got that far. Any future Israeli pm who went down that path would probably meet the same fate as Rabin Edited September 19 by Dr Gloom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 (i fully support a two-state solutuon, i should say. i just don't know how it happens in our lifetimes. it would take both sides around the table, say "enough is enough" and make big concessions. we're nowhere near) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Craig 6682 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 2 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said: (i fully support a two-state solutuon, i should say. i just don't know how it happens in our lifetimes. it would take both sides around the table, say "enough is enough" and make big concessions. we're nowhere near) I don't know how it happens full stop. My far from fully educated instinct is that Palestine would be more amenable to it than Israel who I don't think will ever shift towards being accepting of a Palestinian state. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Gloom 21915 Posted September 19 Share Posted September 19 (edited) 5 hours ago, Craig said: I don't know how it happens full stop. My far from fully educated instinct is that Palestine would be more amenable to it than Israel who I don't think will ever shift towards being accepting of a Palestinian state. Netanyahu and his coalition of far-right nutters and ultra orthodox loonies on one side, and Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran on the other, are all cut from the same cloth. Neither side (at least those who are in power, or pulling the strings currently) are interested in peace or concession. In fact, they need conflict to remain in power. Meanwhile it’s the innocent moderates in the middle who suffer Edited September 19 by Dr Gloom 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobinRobin 11263 Posted September 20 Share Posted September 20 6 hours ago, Dr Gloom said: Meanwhile it’s the innocent moderates in the middle who suffer Unfortunately, always has been and always will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30598 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Iran now directly attacking Israel with missiles. This should all end well… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Fuck’s sake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamTaylor5 880 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 Didn't Iran do this a few months back as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 (edited) There’s also reports of several dead and critically injured following a mass shooting in Tel Aviv. Edited October 1 by Alex 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Dynamite 7025 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 23 minutes ago, Alex said: Fuck’s sake. The "outrage" from UK/US when Israel get a taste of their own medicine. Nee fucker had a word to say when *checks notes* 42,000 Palestinians were murdered. Losers all round in this one. The latest escalation might have been avoided if we had told Israel to wind its neck in months ago 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 8 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: The "outrage" from UK/US when Israel get a taste of their own medicine. Nee fucker had a word to say when *checks notes* 42,000 Palestinians were murdered. Losers all round in this one. The latest escalation might have been avoided if we had told Israel to wind its neck in months ago Yeah, I know. I was mainly coming at it from the pov of the inevitable escalation and further deaths. Ditto the mass shooting, with the obvious caveat that the loss of life is tragic too. It just seems like a hopeless descent into all out war after the events today with Israel also launching a ground offensive in Lebanon. Fuck knows where this ends up, but even if a truce can be brokered it’ll seemingly be after thousands more deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toonpack 9399 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 46 minutes ago, Alex said: There’s also reports of several dead and critically injured following a mass shouting in Tel Aviv. Fuck me, must have been loud. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewerk 30598 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 31 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said: The latest escalation might have been avoided if we had told Israel to wind its neck in months ago Sounds like the US did warn Israel against escalating things with Lebanon but they ignored them. Of course the US won’t take any action during election season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rayvin 5219 Posted October 1 Author Share Posted October 1 Iran are along way from saints in all this either frankly. Not good news at all. Does Iran actually think it can handle Israel though..? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex 35077 Posted October 1 Share Posted October 1 15 minutes ago, Toonpack said: Fuck me, must have been loud. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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