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[Rayvin 5924]

7 minutes ago, Holden McGroin said:

It would have been a lovely tackle in the 90s.

 

If I was them I'd be more annoyed with the first goal. Surely thats a handball? I'd be well fucked off if that happened to us. But then I have no idea what the handball rule is anymore and I think thats half the problem.

 

Apparently the handball rule is that for a goal to be chalked off the infraction has to be intentional (which this wasn't) OR it has to be unintentional but committed by the same player who then scores (also wasn't). This is a new rule for this season apparently.

 

EDIT - beaten to it but aye, was the right call to permit it.

[Holden McGroin 7625]

That rule is pretty abysmal.   It definitely wasn't intentional but his pass lead to directly to a goal so I think the rule is a but flawed. Not that im complaining but I would be if it happened to us.

 

 

 

 

[wykikitoon 22901]

The one where it hit Schar then directed it to goal where the keeper knocked it over for a corner, which we then scored from.  According to Redknapp, Schar had ample time to take his arm off and throw it away so he didnt accidently handball it.  Fucking gimp

[The Fish 11323]

 

[Alex 36725]

45 minutes ago, Howay said:

Apparently if he had scored it was a handball, but if he assists it has to be an intentional handball. 
 

The one thing for the handball for me is their fans keep saying it kept the ball in play, but from what I remember it was actually a hinderance to him as he’d kept it in but it hit his hand and started going back out before he took his next touch. 

It definitely did not keep the ball in play. The deflection off the hand sent it towards going out after the previous touch kept it in. I’ve seen it more than once but it’s fairly obvious at first glance. 

[Howmanheyman 36607]

12 minutes ago, The Fish said:

 

 

I love Bez but he is a Sheffield United fan so err.....

[Gemmill 49974]

Denim clad badge kisser innit.

[The Fish 11323]

Bet he's got a grandkid too, the rat!

[Dr Gloom 23642]

54 minutes ago, Rayvin said:

 

Apparently the handball rule is that for a goal to be chalked off the infraction has to be intentional (which this wasn't) OR it has to be unintentional but committed by the same player who then scores (also wasn't). This is a new rule for this season apparently.

 

EDIT - beaten to it but aye, was the right call to permit it.

 

i only read about that rule change recently. this is what i meant when we were debating the handball shout from the brentford game. they change the rule so often, i don't think anyone can keep up. 

 

i wish they'd go back to the rule being about intent. it's still subjective, but it would simplify it. the ref and VAR dorks can go back to trying to to decide if the player used the hand to gain an advantage or not. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

33 minutes ago, Howmanheyman said:

 

I love Bez but he is a Sheffield United fan so err.....

 

i saw another clip of him singing the tonali song in the concourse. he looks well lubricated and loving life tbf

[Howmanheyman 36607]

26 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

i saw another clip of him singing the tonali song in the concourse. he looks well lubricated and loving life tbf

 

He's definitely had a few. 

[spongebob toonpants 4361]

1 hour ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

i only read about that rule change recently. this is what i meant when we were debating the handball shout from the brentford game. they change the rule so often, i don't think anyone can keep up. 

 

i wish they'd go back to the rule being about intent. it's still subjective, but it would simplify it. the ref and VAR dorks can go back to trying to to decide if the player used the hand to gain an advantage or not. 

Hits your hand it's handball. Fuck intent. Slightest glance? Unlucky thems the breaks.

That's my solution and I'm stuck with it

[Kevin Carr's Gloves 4269]

3 hours ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

i only read about that rule change recently. this is what i meant when we were debating the handball shout from the brentford game. they change the rule so often, i don't think anyone can keep up. 

 

i wish they'd go back to the rule being about intent. it's still subjective, but it would simplify it. the ref and VAR dorks can go back to trying to to decide if the player used the hand to gain an advantage or not. 

You can’t prove intent hundreds of handballs would not be punished. We want to get rid of grey areas not bring in more. The law should be about gaining an advantage, fuck intent or where your hand is, did you gain an advantage.

[Monkeys Fist 45151]

3 hours ago, Howmanheyman said:

 

He's definitely had a few. 

I reckon somewhere between 0 and 8. 

[RobinRobin 12486]

11 hours ago, Howmanheyman said:

 

He's definitely had a few. 

But then again, too few to mention 

[The Fish 11323]

14 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

You can’t prove intent hundreds of handballs would not be punished. We want to get rid of grey areas not bring in more. The law should be about gaining an advantage, fuck intent or where your hand is, did you gain an advantage.

I see where you're coming from, but take Gordon's one as an example. It could be argued he didn't gain an advantage because his hand was actually knocking the ball out, or he did gain an advantage because it kept the ball closer to him and therefore easier to keep possession.

[Dr Gloom 23642]

14 hours ago, Kevin Carr's Gloves said:

You can’t prove intent hundreds of handballs would not be punished. We want to get rid of grey areas not bring in more. The law should be about gaining an advantage, fuck intent or where your hand is, did you gain an advantage.

I dunno. Feels like it was more straightforward when the question was: did the player deliberately handle the ball to gain an advantage? Ball to hand, when the player doesn’t know anything about it, shouldn’t be penalised.
 

Some decisions would still be debated because it is subjective but you could use some pretty basic criteria: did the player know anything about it? did the hand move towards the ball? Was the ball blasted at the player from short range or did he see it coming and have time to move his hand out of the way? Etc 

 

If the ref has a howler on any of the above the VAR nobs can intervene 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

If you think about what the handball rule was designed to do (force players to use their feet and not use the hand to gain an advantage) it really should be more straightforward. 
 

I find it bizarre that a player can be penalised for handball when he isn’t even looking at the ball because his hand is in an “unnatural position”, whatever that means 

[Alex 36725]

The law was always about intent too. If you think about the Gordon one, he didn’t intend it. What is bizarre is that if he’d have scored it would’ve been disallowed, if I’ve understood that right. 

[Dr Gloom 23642]

47 minutes ago, Alex said:

The law was always about intent too. If you think about the Gordon one, he didn’t intend it. What is bizarre is that if he’d have scored it would’ve been disallowed, if I’ve understood that right. 

 

it's just ridiculous

 

and all the more confusing how often the rules seem to change,. i'm sure it was just a season or two ago when they changed it so it was always handball if the ball strikes the hand, regardless if the player knew anything about it. resulted in shitloads more penalties than usual and only lasted for one season

[The Fish 11323]

19 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

 

it's just ridiculous

 

and all the more confusing how often the rules seem to change,. i'm sure it was just a season or two ago when they changed it so it was always handball if the ball strikes the hand, regardless if the player knew anything about it. resulted in shitloads more penalties than usual and only lasted for one season

Wasn't there one in a World Cup, where an Italian deliberately kicked the ball at the defender to win a pen?

[RobinRobin 12486]

12 hours ago, The Fish said:

Wasn't there one in a World Cup, where an Italian deliberately kicked the ball at the defender to win a pen?

And then fell over complaining he had been assaulted?