Eddie’s One Man Dugout Wonderboys vs. Fag Ash Lil’s Wall Pushing Disappointments.

[Renton 23703]

7 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

I was 7 when we won the fairs cup, I have only the faintest of memory of this. 

I remember vividly '74 '76, blowing the title run in, the late 90s cup finals, semi finals domestically and in marseille. the loss to belgrade..all fucking traumatic examples of failing to show up for the big occasions or acting like rabbits in a cars headlights.

febuary's league cup final, the man city no show and yesterday's fucking abject failure to take advantage of 10 man liverpool was both inexcusable and crushing.

the old newcastle has never gone away, it feels like it probably never will.   

Perspective mate. This was  one league match. I can remember several times ManU were battered under Ferguson. He'd get them back to winning the next game. We learn lessons, we move on. We are not defined by our past.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Renton

[GrahamTaylor5 1172]

9 hours ago, sammynb said:

 

Sorry but that is rubbish, if TAA had gone for that blatant second yellow, the game would have changed then and it is unlikely VVD would have fouled Isak.

 

As others have said the subs caused the loss, Isak also looked lost while he was on the pitch. Howe needs to be braver and play Wilson up top and find a way to get Isak into the team, maybe play him instead of Miggy on the right but just having inverted winger who can run with the ball is making our attack predictable. 

The statement was more a reference/ implication to the fact TAA should have been sent off rather than a direct statement that I thought they would have 9 players on the pitch. 

 

I agree about your statement that VVD may not have fouled Isak but that would have then led to a goal and we would be very likley 2-0 which would have been a step too far, psychologically, for them and how wobbly they were at that point. On the other hand, the full game was changed by decisions that people choose to make that are wrong. 

 

I do agree that the game was lost on the subs which is what I have said in another post. I don't think Howe had a great game for us yesterday and I am glad that I am able to acknowledge this. We have a brilliant manager who, I think, got it wrong. On reflection,  I am really annoyed by the game, the lost opportunity and the fact that it was down to us and not them. This is the first time that I have felt like this under Howe and I hope, and believe, that, although it won't be the only time that I feel like this, it will be in the minority of games that he manages us. 

 

I think football can be rubbish at times and this is one of them. 

 

I do agree that it would not have been 9 actual players though.

[toonotl 3437]

Still hurts today. Not much else to say. This one feels worse than the Villa game. The next game can't come quickly enough.

[Kid Dynamite 7644]

20 minutes ago, Renton said:

Perspective mate. This was  one league match. I can remember several times ManU were battered under Ferguson. He'd get them back to winning the next game. We learn lessons, we move on. We are not defined by our past.

Aye. Losing to good teams by 1 goal is preferable to shipping 5 or 6 like we used to 

[Dr Gloom 23647]

1 hour ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

I was 7 when we won the fairs cup, I have only the faintest of memory of this. 

I remember vividly '74 '76, blowing the title run in, the late 90s cup finals, semi finals domestically and in marseille. the loss to belgrade..all fucking traumatic examples of failing to show up for the big occasions or acting like rabbits in a cars headlights.

febuary's league cup final, the man city no show and yesterday's fucking abject failure to take advantage of 10 man liverpool was both inexcusable and crushing.

the old newcastle has never gone away, it feels like it probably never will.   

Disagree. It’s going to take a while for us as fans to believe our time is coming. Or that we’re good enough to mix it with the “elite” clubs. 

 

That is probably the case for the players and coaching staff too. But good times are coming. There’s no question about it. We massively overachieved last season. We may need to take a couple of steps back before we step forward. We may not. We should have won yesterday but it’s no disgrace to lose to Liverpool and Man City. We usually lose to both of them. We go again. Let’s see where we are in 10 games time 

[thebrokendoll 10286]

5 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

Disagree. It’s going to take a while for us as fans to believe our time is coming. Or that we’re good enough to mix it with the “elite” clubs. 

 

That is probably the case for the players and coaching staff too. But good times are coming. There’s no question about it. We massively overachieved last season. We may need to take a couple of steps back before we step forward. We may not. We should have won yesterday but it’s no disgrace to lose to Liverpool and Man City. We usually lose to both of them. We go again. Let’s see where we are in 10 games time 

 

I've been waiting for the good times to come for well over half a century. I hope you're right.

you're right, losing away to man city isn't a disgrace, it's perfectly valid though to be disappointed by the no show in the first half. yesterday was different, if disgrace is the wrong word, it should be replaced by pathetic, abject failure. they're not even that good.

 

[Renton 23703]

Last season we drew a lot of games in early Autumn, and then again in January /February. If we can convert more of them into wins, we can afford to lose a couple more. That's why yesterday even in extra time I was willing us to roll the dice and go for the winner. Didn't work obviously but a point is not much better than nothing. 

[Rayvin 5926]

16 minutes ago, thebrokendoll said:

 

I've been waiting for the good times to come for well over half a century. I hope you're right.

you're right, losing away to man city isn't a disgrace, it's perfectly valid though to be disappointed by the no show in the first half. yesterday was different, if disgrace is the wrong word, it should be replaced by pathetic, abject failure. they're not even that good.

 

 

Yesterday hurt but the day Liverpool are in the rear view mirror is coming. It'll be all the sweeter when it does come for how hard they tried to fight it off (and IMO they really are desperate to do so).

[sammynb 3923]

1 hour ago, GrahamTaylor5 said:

The statement was more a reference/ implication to the fact TAA should have been sent off rather than a direct statement that I thought they would have 9 players on the pitch. 

 

I agree about your statement that VVD may not have fouled Isak but that would have then led to a goal and we would be very likley 2-0 which would have been a step too far, psychologically, for them and how wobbly they were at that point. On the other hand, the full game was changed by decisions that people choose to make that are wrong. 

 

I do agree that the game was lost on the subs which is what I have said in another post. I don't think Howe had a great game for us yesterday and I am glad that I am able to acknowledge this. We have a brilliant manager who, I think, got it wrong. On reflection,  I am really annoyed by the game, the lost opportunity and the fact that it was down to us and not them. This is the first time that I have felt like this under Howe and I hope, and believe, that, although it won't be the only time that I feel like this, it will be in the minority of games that he manages us. 

 

I think football can be rubbish at times and this is one of them. 

 

I do agree that it would not have been 9 actual players though.

 

Thanks for that but again hate to point out but if TAA had of been sent off, the through ball for Isak would not have happened, everything would have been competely different, that's how time works.

Agree about pretty much everything else but no use looking backward - onward and forward.

[Ayatollah Hermione 14687]

As soon as “Trent” stayed on the pitch, I knew we’d lose. That lot could fall in the Tyne and come up with a salmon in their mouth

[Howay 12496]

https://x.com/hitmanharj/status/1695840791812243538?s=46&t=ytLiTTx5wmuNZJztyLjiJg
 

Stunning that these morons can’t fucking read . Trying to argue it wasn’t a red card by citing the rule about penalties the total fucking muppets. How the fuck is anyone arguing this? They keep saying he played the ball as if that has anything to do with whether it’s a red or not  

[Rayvin 5926]

Was a clear as day red card indeed. I would have actually preferred that Isak wasn't fouled and had the chance to score, rather than Van Dijk being sent off.

[Howay 12496]

I wish Burn had just wiped out Nunez at the end, it would have been a draw and we’d have watched them tie themselves into knots about how the two incidents were different. 

[Dougle 3685]

Totally wasted free kick too. Schar weren’t it?

[MrBass 3045]

1 hour ago, Howay said:

https://x.com/hitmanharj/status/1695840791812243538?s=46&t=ytLiTTx5wmuNZJztyLjiJg
 

Stunning that these morons can’t fucking read . Trying to argue it wasn’t a red card by citing the rule about penalties the total fucking muppets. How the fuck is anyone arguing this? They keep saying he played the ball as if that has anything to do with whether it’s a red or not  

I don’t think he actually got the ball though, just took Isak out then, like the utter cunt he is, gestured for him to get up. 

[aimaad22 4691]

Still can't believe what happened yesterday. 

 

All in all you just have to put it down to experience now and move on. Howe will definitely be sending out the same message and hoepfully learning from it himself too. We lost the same fixtures last season as well. What's clear is we now have a stronger squad and very much the ability to repeat last season. 

 

The target should be finish in the CL places and have a decent run in the CL/Cups. That would be another fantastic season, and there's no reason why we still can't do that.

 

There will be more of these hiccups as we play these fixtures under increasing scrutiny and spotlight, as we're expected to compete rather than roll over. By God though, still can't believe what we did yesterday  

[aimaad22 4691]

Somebody mentioned Willock and that's a good shout, he was a very important, often underrated part of the side last season. Not that he alone would have changed much, too many things went wrong yesterday. 

 

[Howay 12496]

I feel like we’re in a bit of a transition phase, teams are starting to respect us more and get pinned back by us and we’re still trying to strike the balance between exerting pressure and overstretching a little, which partly shows in that we’ve only had 2 clean sheets in our last 20 games iirc. Both their goals came from Nunez isolating his man which was brutal enough at 1-0 up but at 1-1 in the 90+ minute he shouldn’t have been allowed that. As much as I like Burn it really unbalances us at times as most our attacks generate down Trippiers flank, I’m hoping Hall gives us a lot more balance in terms of our attacks as despite our left side being the hot hand yesterday we still couldn’t get Gordon on the ball as much as he probably should have been. 
 

I also don’t love Bruno in the 6 role, I feel it takes away a lot of the positives of his game and he’s shown signs of forcing things a bit recently. The issue is we don’t really have any true alternative at the moment. 
 

Overall I’m just glad to get these two fixtures out the fucking way, I think we will see a big reaction against Brighton. Pep aimed to pack the midfield to stifle us, and Klopp tried to avoid the CM as they know it’s a strength for us, I don’t think we will be up against many sides able to avoid it like that for the rest of the season and if they do they won’t have the quality to also score goals while doing it, we definitely will not face many managers that will out tactic Howe. I thought Szoboszlai’s pressing was brilliant all day, again something we won’t have to deal with much. 
 

I’m positive overall as I think the game against Villa is a better indicator of what we are about and what we will do to teams rather than these last two games. Yesterday they threw 5 different forwards at us, all of which cost upwards of £40m, they also had a CM that cost in excess of £150m, of course many of us would back some of our players over theirs but the reality is there’s still a gulf in funding and quality in the two sides. 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Howay

[wykikitoon 22916]

Bin dippers just been told he's off to Bristol  

 

[wykikitoon 22916]

Just listening to The Rest is Football poddy.  Lineker seems to think Núñez will be up for golden boot this season.  Mind you, he also thinks TAA didn't throw the ball  

[Gemmill 50007]

I'm just pleased Micah Richards said he thought it was a red for VVD. At first it sounded like he wasn't sure, and my immediate thought was wykiki is gonna blow a fucking gasket here.

[wykikitoon 22916]

8 minutes ago, Gemmill said:

I'm just pleased Micah Richards said he thought it was a red for VVD. At first it sounded like he wasn't sure, and my immediate thought was wykiki is gonna blow a fucking gasket here.

 Aye I thought he was going that way too.

[wykikitoon 22916]

Virgins red card is apparently a one match ban. But he may get more as apparently the FA have charged him with his conduct after. 

 

When did they change the rules for a red being 3 to 1?

[ewerk 33229]

It was only ever three for violent or dangerous conduct,  wasn’t it?

[wykikitoon 22916]

1 minute ago, ewerk said:

It was only ever three for violent or dangerous conduct,  wasn’t it?

Ah yes I think you're right.....

 

As per 🙄