Eddie’s One Man Dugout Wonderboys vs. Fag Ash Lil’s Wall Pushing Disappointments.

[Renton 23703]

41 minutes ago, trophyshy said:

 

I was at this. We’d waited a long time for it then.  30 fucking years ago man.  

 

I was there too. Andy Cole was unplayable. Think it was cold, must have been a late kick off, floodlights. I watched from the Gallowgate before the new stand was built. Pretty sure the away fans then were in the corner between the East stand and Gallowgate. Remember a scally lad after the match press his face up to the dividing fence and say,, 'Aey, Aey, youse were shit lah'. We'd just panelled the cunts! Something just inbred about their arrogance. 

 

How many fucking defeats have I witnessed since at SJP and Annfield I wonder. It does hurt tbh. I know we've won a few since but all I remember since 93 is the losses. 

 

 

Edited August 27, 2023 by Renton

[Chaser 1367]

I hope they enjoy their Thursday night games...

[sammynb 3923]

5 hours ago, GrahamTaylor5 said:

Should have been 9 players. 

 

Sorry but that is rubbish, if TAA had gone for that blatant second yellow, the game would have changed then and it is unlikely VVD would have fouled Isak.

 

As others have said the subs caused the loss, Isak also looked lost while he was on the pitch. Howe needs to be braver and play Wilson up top and find a way to get Isak into the team, maybe play him instead of Miggy on the right but just having inverted winger who can run with the ball is making our attack predictable. 

[Renton 23703]

Curiously we played better against them last year with 10 men than today against 10 men. Ridiculous.

[Howay 12496]

2 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

 

 

 

I mean you have to laugh really, it’s just absurd and the press won’t call him out for it at all. It was a clear red just accept it and move on. That’s the thing with those cunts though, they’re adamant that nothing they do is wrong to such a point the press accept it. I’ve even seen Liverpool fans posting the rule about if its not intentional then it’s a yellow but they completely ignore that the rule is in regards to penalties. 

[aimaad22 4691]

3 hours ago, ThatGinolaVolley said:

When we do finally beat these I’ll be so happy. Hopefully at anfield later this season, in a shit game, with a soft penalty.

 

More chance of Miggy scoring with his right foot than that 

[Howay 12496]

https://x.com/lewvisualss/status/1695856882253021433?s=46&t=ytLiTTx5wmuNZJztyLjiJg
 

 

[Dr Gloom 23647]

Was this someone off here btw?

 

 

[Dr Gloom 23647]

Ah man, that result smarts today. 
 

Hate to say it but I think we bottled it. We really should have won. Credit to Liverpool for continuing to attack us with 10 men (reluctantly because I hate that Klopp wanker).
 

The game really should have been out of sight before they equalised and then our arses just fell out. It’s going to take a while I think before some of the players believe we’re better than the established elite teams. 
 

I’m also reluctant to criticise Howe too much but I was surprised when he took off Tonali and Gordon, two of our most dangerous players. 
 

I would have taken off Miggy instead of

Gordon but I am going to defend Miggy. He fluffed too many chances but the work the bloke gets through in a game is remarkable. My seat was about five rows above the half way line in the east stand and it really was striking in the first half why Howe rates him so highly because no one else covered as much ground. 

Edited August 28, 2023 by Dr Gloom

[wykikitoon 22916]

Aye, it fucking hurts hard that one.  But, it also brings us back down to earth.  We are still some way off the 'top 6' but we are certainly closing the gap.

 

No matter how we think of our squad v liverpools squad etc.  The biggest thing they have is winning experience.  I.e winning major trophies recently and chipping away at the coal face when your back is up at it.  We should have gone for the jugular yesterday and targeted TAA over and over when he was seriously on the ropes.  Especially when VVD had been sent packing.

 

Reading why Gordon and Sandro got taken off I understand why if they were totally gassed,   It's a very long season and with so many new experiences for a lot of the players with CL football, we need to see the long game.

 

Brighton next and I do feel confident still despite this kick in the bollocks.

[Dr Gloom 23647]

The shot Miggy blazed over the bar felt like a shocking miss. I haven’t watched it back

but that one felt like the missed chance that should have killed them off. Miggy also drew a brilliant save from Allison in the first half and was so unlucky to hit the post after that brilliant run in the second half. 

 

Barnes was also guilty of a brain fart when our through on goal. Annoying. We really should have put it to bed by about the 70th minute and then I think we just choked, annoyingly.
 

On sober reflection it feels great to be disappointed again. We narrowly lost and should have won against a top team. We will learn how to beat Liverpool eventually. I firmly believe the final hurdle to overcome before we turn from a good team to a great team is a psychological one. 

[PaddockLad 19025]

We missed a host of chances to put the game away before they scored. Same generally as last season then? And the same goes for every two bob Sunday league side shat into existence. You get nothing you don’t properly earn at this level and both their goal and their red card were questionable… actually laws of the game it’s a definite red but if you can’t take proper advantage then it’s down to us. Those red pricks didn’t give up for a second and that’s why a manager who’s won a title and a European cup has them playing for him. I hate the fritz bastard but he’s a very good manager who motivated and manipulated them to a brilliant win. Looks to me that their midfield re build is going very well for them at the minute. 

 

Do we need a right winger who’s a better finisher? Probably . Half of us were calling this a 9/10 window last week (I wasn’t but it’s been very good) so we can’t have it both ways. Our much maligned right winger hit the post and their goalie were magnificent .  Put it down to experience ffs. Don’t judge 22 months of progress on one fuckin calamity. Why wasn’t Isak getting proper service before we’d made a substitution? Because they were playing 3 new midfielders they’d signed this summer who didn’t give Bruno a chance to dominate. They’re fuckin good players too and Gumaries is looking increasingly like a red herring for us. We know how good he can be but regardless of what people wish to accept he’s not fuckin doing it and we don’t have the depth to cover and change it. Yes he’s the lynchpin but we never at any point had dominance in the centre of the park yesterday and until we do that regularly v the “sky 6”

then we won’t regularly get positive results v them. 
 

We need to stop thinking we’re Brazil 1970 with the entitlement that apparently brings and look at the actual game and why Howe made those subs. I’d agree that he appeared to be going through his predictable motions but Tonali and Gordon hadn’t influenced play for 15/20 mins when they were replaced as far as I could make out. Appears there are only predictable alarm bells about this at full time long after that horse had bolted.
 

Twitter is a predictable shit show of infantile wankers obviously but there is at least one grown up in the room. This is precisely how I felt at full time…it’s got nothing to do with tactics or subs, it’s just sometimes as we all know deep down you sometimes don’t get what you deserve from football. There’s more football cliches available, I’ve got fuckin 100s of them and they’re all true  

 

https://x.com/georgecaulkin/status/1695857026851545467?s=46&t=Ob2-o4XW2OqBfdaNO_UQnQ

[wykikitoon 22916]

One thing I was thinking this morning. We have Joe Willock to come back. He would have been a bigger threat in midfield yesterday in the second half with his energy and speed. 

 

But that's it's and buts 

[Dr Gloom 23647]

4 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

We missed a host of chances to put the game away before they scored. Same generally as last season then? And the same goes for every two bob Sunday league side shat into existence. You get nothing you don’t properly earn at this level and both their goal and their red card were questionable… actually laws of the game it’s a definite red but if you can’t take proper advantage then it’s down to us. Those red pricks didn’t give up for a second and that’s why a manager who’s won a title and a European cup has them playing for him. I hate the fritz bastard but he’s a very good manager who motivated and manipulated them to a brilliant win. Looks to me that their midfield re build is going very well for them at the minute. 

 

Do we need a right winger who’s a better finisher? Probably . Half of us were calling this a 9/10 window last week (I wasn’t but it’s been very good) so we can’t have it both ways. Our much maligned right winger hit the post and their goalie were magnificent .  Put it down to experience ffs. Don’t judge 22 months of progress on one fuckin calamity. Why wasn’t Isak getting proper service before we’d made a substitution? Because they were playing 3 new midfielders they’d signed this summer who didn’t give Bruno a chance to dominate. They’re fuckin good players too and Gumaries is looking increasingly like a red herring for us. We know how good he can be but regardless of what people wish to accept he’s not fuckin doing it and we don’t have the depth to cover and change it. Yes he’s the lynchpin but we never at any point had dominance in the centre of the park yesterday and until we do that regularly v the “sky 6”

then we won’t regularly get positive results v them. 
 

We need to stop thinking we’re Brazil 1970 with the entitlement that apparently brings and look at the actual game and why Howe made those subs. I’d agree that he appeared to be going through his predictable motions but Tonali and Gordon hadn’t influenced play for 15/20 mins when they were replaced as far as I could make out. Appears there are only predictable alarm bells about this at full time long after that horse had bolted.
 

Twitter is a predictable shit show of infantile wankers obviously but there is at least one grown up in the room. This is precisely how I felt at full time…it’s got nothing to do with tactics or subs, it’s just sometimes as we all know deep down you sometimes don’t get what you deserve from football. There’s more football cliches available, I’ve got fuckin 100s of them and they’re all true  

 

https://x.com/georgecaulkin/status/1695857026851545467?s=46&t=Ob2-o4XW2OqBfdaNO_UQnQ

agree with Caulkin. This felt like old Newcastle. Almost like watching the England team in a similar situation. Taking the foot off the throat in the final 20 minutes of the game, trying to see out a 1-0 win and instead allowing them back in 

[Renton 23703]

11 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

On sober reflection it feels great to be disappointed again.

 

No it fucking doesn't!

[PaddockLad 19025]

8 hours ago, Howay said:

I mean you have to laugh really, it’s just absurd and the press won’t call him out for it at all. It was a clear red just accept it and move on. That’s the thing with those cunts though, they’re adamant that nothing they do is wrong to such a point the press accept it. I’ve even seen Liverpool fans posting the rule about if its not intentional then it’s a yellow but they completely ignore that the rule is in regards to penalties. 

It’s the start of this week’s campaign to get the red rescinded. It’ll probably work too

[Dr Gloom 23647]

1 minute ago, Renton said:

 

No it fucking doesn't!

yeah it does! Beat the apathy years under Ashley. I’d much rather give a fuck again 

[PaddockLad 19025]

Hmmm…🤔

 

https://x.com/danielstorey85/status/1695829160466288960?s=46&t=Ob2-o4XW2OqBfdaNO_UQnQ

 

fuckin no chance of that but it’s a good point. Can they still tag a game on for a “frivolous appeal” or whatever the fuck they call it?…

[Kid Dynamite 7644]

We feel like a Jekyll and Hyde team.

 

We played our best football last season when we attacked as a unit with a high press. First half of the Spurs game was a perfect example. Brighton game too. Villa a couple of weeks ago. 

 

We seem to play completely differently against the "big teams". Ie: the cup final, Man City last week, 2nd half yesterday. We were ponderous, no movement, loads of sideways and backwards passes.

 

Now I get that you can't go all out attack against teams like city. But if we'd continued playing "our" game yesterday, we would have won 2 or 3-0. Salah never had a kick all game. TAA was terrified to make a tackle. Pope had one save to make in the first 80mins. 
 

Cos we'd sat on our laurels at 1-0, they were always going to chuck on some attackers with 10mins to go and try to nick a draw. A bit of luck sees the ball bounce off Botman's arse and it's 1-1. We then shit ourselves, Bruno plays a suicidal pass in his own half, Burn is 5yds behind the back line and we've fucked it.

 

I hate to say it, but Howe got his tactics wrong. We should have been turning the screw. Keep Gordon on. Chuck Wilson up front with Isak and make them defend with 10 men behind the ball for the rest of the game. 
 

I'd be tempted to bring Willock in for Bruno if he's fit. He got away with being caught in possession a few times last season. It's starting to catch up with him now. Anderson or Murphy deserve a chance over Almiron too. 
 

Brighton is going to be another test. They will be wounded after conceding 3 yesterday. Surely Howe doesn't start the same XI 3 games in a row?

[ewerk 33229]

14 hours ago, Dougle said:

 

 

aye  (for anyone who doesnt have twiXXer)

 

 

 

 

[wykikitoon 22916]

6 minutes ago, PaddockLad said:

Hmmm…🤔

 

https://x.com/danielstorey85/status/1695829160466288960?s=46&t=Ob2-o4XW2OqBfdaNO_UQnQ

 

fuckin no chance of that but it’s a good point. Can they still tag a game on for a “frivolous appeal” or whatever the fuck they call it?…

Said it during the game. He told the official to fuck off. He should have two games on top but we all know the FA etc don't have the bottle 

[OTF 8420]

32 minutes ago, wykikitoon said:

Reading why Gordon and Sandro got taken off I understand why if they were totally gassed,   It's a very long season and with so many new experiences for a lot of the players with CL football

 

I feel like it's very possible that players get told they are likely to play 60 minutes and then be subbed off so that they can go all out knowing this. The problem is you're not always replacing like with like. I know Eddie is trying to build a style of play that can have players slot in and out based on availability and not bring about too much change to our high pressing play, but the reality is the levels of players are quite different and you need those playing together to be on the same wavelength.

 

For me Elliot Anderson needs to be bedded in more against lesser opposition. Longstaff I would expect to come on and fit in, but tough when the other midfielders also change. It's easy with hindsight but it sure didn't seem like we were pressing to our usual extent whilst we were 1-0 up with an extra man and so I can't stomach the idea that either Gordon or Tonali had to come off because they were gassed. I didn't see any indication of that. Joelinton was still somehow not on a yellow and was everywhere replacing him and the also excellent Tonali with Anderson and Longstaff was a massive defensive drop in quality and also a significant drop in attack too. Isak was off so swapping in Wilson was the right move.

 

Almiron wasn't unique amongst the team in being spotty at best (Trippier, Bruno and Burn were also well below their best) but was a clear choice for a swap for Barnes over the best player on the pitch to that point, Gordon. Barnes will be ruing how poorly he did when we had a huge overlap and plenty of space but failed to make anything of it. That should have been 2-0 and the end of the contest. Beyond that it was extremely unlucky the way the ball deflected off Botman's back into his leg and right in front of Nunez. Without that stroke of luck we likely hold on for the win. Once they got the first we were pushing too high with slower players who don't have the recovery ability to defend the counter. Bruno's turnover was inexcusable, but the fact that Burn was so far back and isolated against the much faster and totally fresh Nunez made it seem almost inevitable that they would score.

[Renton 23703]

6 minutes ago, Kid Dynamite said:

We feel like a Jekyll and Hyde team.

 

We played our best football last season when we attacked as a unit with a high press. First half of the Spurs game was a perfect example. Brighton game too. Villa a couple of weeks ago. 

 

We seem to play completely differently against the "big teams". Ie: the cup final, Man City last week, 2nd half yesterday. We were ponderous, no movement, loads of sideways and backwards passes.

 

Now I get that you can't go all out attack against teams like city. But if we'd continued playing "our" game yesterday, we would have won 2 or 3-0. Salah never had a kick all game. TAA was terrified to make a tackle. Pope had one save to make in the first 80mins. 
 

Cos we'd sat on our laurels at 1-0, they were always going to chuck on some attackers with 10mins to go and try to nick a draw. A bit of luck sees the ball bounce off Botman's arse and it's 1-1. We then shit ourselves, Bruno plays a suicidal pass in his own half, Burn is 5yds behind the back line and we've fucked it.

 

I hate to say it, but Howe got his tactics wrong. We should have been turning the screw. Keep Gordon on. Chuck Wilson up front with Isak and make them defend with 10 men behind the ball for the rest of the game. 
 

I'd be tempted to bring Willock in for Bruno if he's fit. He got away with being caught in possession a few times last season. It's starting to catch up with him now. Anderson or Murphy deserve a chance over Almiron too. 
 

Brighton is going to be another test. They will be wounded after conceding 3 yesterday. Surely Howe doesn't start the same XI 3 games in a row?

 

I agree. But I'd add that in this fixture last year, we tried that and it backfired spectacularly. So I think that may have played on Howe's mind. I couldn't understand why we didn't go for the jugular when they were down ro 10 though.

[Toonpack 11385]

13 hours ago, wykikitoon said:

Bin dipper at working giving it all mouth. It's OK pal. I've got a nice site survey I'm going to send you to next week in Bristol. Cunt

This post got me thinking last night and thought I’d sleep on it and give it due consideration.

 

However my initial opinion holds true, In my 45 year career, I’ve worked all over this country and I never met/worked with a Liverpool fan who wasn’t a cunt.

[thebrokendoll 10286]

13 minutes ago, Dr Gloom said:

agree with Caulkin. This felt like old Newcastle. Almost like watching the England team in a similar situation. Taking the foot off the throat in the final 20 minutes of the game, trying to see out a 1-0 win and instead allowing them back in 

 

I was 7 when we won the fairs cup, I have only the faintest of memory of this. 

I remember vividly '74 '76, blowing the title run in, the late 90s cup finals, semi finals domestically and in marseille. the loss to belgrade..all fucking traumatic examples of failing to show up for the big occasions or acting like rabbits in a cars headlights.

febuary's league cup final, the man city no show and yesterday's fucking abject failure to take advantage of 10 man liverpool was both inexcusable and crushing.

the old newcastle has never gone away, it feels like it probably never will.